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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.11.15 08:19:00 -
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In early EVE days, seeing battleship was breathtaking and something marvelous. Then people played some more and get hand of more battleships. CCP didn't want battleships to be so common and introduced "tracking" and other nerfs to battleships and gunnery. After this change it has been downhill for battleship. Nowadays battleships are used in blobwars, NPC hunting 0.0 or agent w***Ưng in empire.
Where has gone those days when in battleship you could kill those pesky little mosquitos that teased you - frigates? All real pvp players use AF's, Intys and HAC's for PVP because they are more powerful than battleships and got alot of more surviability in the heat of battle.
Did CCP success in their mission to reduce use of battleships way too good? Is there any hope for BATTLESHIPS .. big mean ships that can open a can of wh00ping? Or is Oveur right that battleships arent single boat of pwnage?
If CCP really dosen't want people using battleships for uber solo pwnage, why are AF's and HAC's those kind of ships then? I have been using Zealot alot and well, it's way better than my apoc but it shoulnd't be.
Is there future for BATTLESHIPS? 
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.11.15 08:25:00 -
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lol
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Helmut 314
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Posted - 2005.11.15 08:34:00 -
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Well, the battleship is still a pwnmobile. The change is that now you have to adapt your setup to the target instead of "one setup kills them all".
Its no problem setting up a bs to kill any type of ship, but the setups look quite different. Its not blasphemy to fit cruiser size or frigate size guns on a battleship, sometimes its common sense. Battleships can also fit the ultimate cripplers in eve, Heavy neutralizers and Heavy nosferatu.
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Agricola Augusta
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Posted - 2005.11.15 08:35:00 -
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I solo PVP so use a Raven, can't fly a HAC so anything else wouldn't cut it 1v1.
PS. I know you can solo pvp in other ships but I prefer the philosophy of "Victory or live to fight another day/they escape" rather than "victory or death".
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Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2005.11.15 08:35:00 -
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I think the major reason why people are not running around in battleships (despite being the most versatile kind of ship) is because they are freaking boring to pilot compared to fast frigs. Also, with the extremely rampant use of WCS, frigates are more preferable since you need a crapload of tacklers per target.
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Fi T'Zeh
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Posted - 2005.11.15 08:37:00 -
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/me pets his regularly used blasterthron.
I still lub you. Ignore all these doom sayers.
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ps. POST WITH YOUR MAIN
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.11.15 08:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Fi T'Zeh
ps. POST WITH YOUR MAIN Quote:
WTF? How about you learn to use ingame info 
And yes, battleships aren't that common anymore than they used to be. Back in my days fitting medium sided guns on battleship was considered noob mistake and lead to kicks from corp. 
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Rex Martell
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Posted - 2005.11.15 08:44:00 -
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Nothing compares to flying a Blasterthron.
Unweilding, Uncompromising, Flys like a Brick but.... Punches like a Champion.
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Tobiaz
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Posted - 2005.11.15 10:35:00 -
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Battleships can quite easily choose a setup that will annihilate all smaller ships. It's just problematic when you run into something the same size.
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Scalor Valentis
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Posted - 2005.11.15 10:42:00 -
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Mind you, The battleship can still kill ANY other class ship (exept maybe dredd) out there 1 vs 1 or 2 vs 1 etc
Heavy nos and drones, ability to fit all class weponsystems.
Big cap, biggest available repairsystems, lots of moduleslots... do i need dot go on?
After all, its only a hull, what matter is fitting and pilot 
If you are incompitent BS pilot, all i can say that there is no pach for human stupidity.
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Rex Martell
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Posted - 2005.11.15 10:54:00 -
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all i can say that there is no pach for human stupidity.
Excellent 
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Trelennen
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Posted - 2005.11.15 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
And yes, battleships aren't that common anymore than they used to be. Back in my days fitting medium sided guns on battleship was considered noob mistake and lead to kicks from corp.
Yeah, and that was because large weapons were a one size fits all, so it was a mistake to fit lighter guns, as you were only losing efficiency. And that's what was wrong. BSs were very common in those days, because it was the best ships in any situation. Then when you started playing, you couldn't have any chance before getting in a BS, and you then had everyone in BS except noobs who hadn't the skills yet. Pretty entertaining game, don't you think?
Now, you still can do lots of things in your BS, but have to think out of the box and find a setup suited to what you wanna do, and most ship classes have a good use in game, which is quite good. And heavy nos + new webber drones will most certainly make things much harder for smaller ships against BSs.
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Ralitge boyter
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Posted - 2005.11.15 11:04:00 -
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Battleships do seem to have lost some of their new ship smell... With the dreads, titans and carriers in game or on their way.
On the other hand BS's are as you state still the main ship needed for fleet battle as they should be. HAC's are smaller quicker more manuverable and thus better at 1v1 hit and run situations.
I think it is not more than normal to see BS's take their rightful place in the world of EVE. They are needed if you solo lvl4 misions and they are certainly better at taking down those generals in 0.0 than your trusty old battle cruiser.
Honnestly BS's are not gone they are here to stay they just have moved from the latest must have fasion statment to their rightful place in the evolution of ships in the EVE galaxy. The only hitng that can make a start at crushing them is a T2 model of your standard battle ship or even better a T3 model of said battle ship.
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Lily Savage
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Posted - 2005.11.15 11:41:00 -
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Just out of interest, and probably not particularly relevant to anything, but what would happen in these 1vs1 fights?
Apoc or Geddon vs Zealot
Ishtar vs Dominix
Cerberus vs Raven
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.11.15 11:50:00 -
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This is why people lub the raven. Its standard setup is 2x NOS, a tank, cruise/siege, and drones.
Add a webber, and it works as both a frigate and BS pwnmobile 
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Franky B
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Posted - 2005.11.15 12:08:00 -
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any decent dominix would **** over an ishtar (since its an upsized version of the little meanie)
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Fredbob
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Posted - 2005.11.15 12:19:00 -
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I love to fly my HACs/ceptors for PvP instead of undocking in a fat, slow locking/moving/warping BS.. but for ratting I used to use a Raven, now use an Apoc, and for long range/fleet action I'd only ever be seen in a good old Tempest  .
BS are not the end-game mega weapon that some games force you to use to compete, nor are they weak. They have some major strengths, it's just lots of people fly ships designed to counter BS... These days people fly ships that are a lil faster and more fun than just F1~F8, but BS are here to stay (including multi-stabbed Ravens unfortunately >_>)
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Tora Ziyal
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Posted - 2005.11.15 14:12:00 -
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I think, battleships are very fine. They shouldn't be a "i win" button, i.e. kill-everything-machine.
They are quite big, fat, with big weapons and a big tank (amount of hp, not resistance). But like in the Navy, every big boat needs support boats. A battleship paired with an inty and 1-2 cruiser/frigates kicks ass.
And that's how it should be. HACs are very expensive, very decent ships, they are pretty medium sized tech2 fightmachines.
Would make no sense if they stay behind tech1 battleships.... imagine what tech2 BS will be
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.11.15 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Lily Savage
Apoc or Geddon vs Zealot
Ishtar vs Dominix
Cerberus vs Raven
zealot would chew an apoc/geddon to pieces, IF the fight started under 20km
All about setup. Too many variables to give a reliable answer. All i can say is, id probably kill a domi in my ishtar and id probably kill an ishtar in my domi
Raven hands down. Cerberus lacks punch and doesnt tank too well either
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R31D
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Posted - 2005.11.15 16:48:00 -
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For the guy that wondered how ships do against each other...
BS > HAC every time
In my blasterthron a HAC has never beaten me. 2x deimos (both in ganksetup I believe)just about took me down and I'd be seriously surprised if any other HAC could defeat a BS unless specifically setup to do so.
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HankMurphy
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Posted - 2005.11.15 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Scalor Valentis
all i can say that there is no pach for human stupidity.
Trademark(tm) Kieron 2005
if there was.. I'd get podded everyday.
BS is the 'A' #1 be all end all death dealer. Period.
But as these bright ppl have already advised, if you suck.. well you suck. thats kinda a personal problem
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Alghoul
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Posted - 2005.11.15 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan
I think the major reason why people are not running around in battleships (despite being the most versatile kind of ship) is because they are freaking boring to pilot compared to fast frigs. Also, with the extremely rampant use of WCS, frigates are more preferable since you need a crapload of tacklers per target.
is it me or your sig is moving?:P
scary..
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