Since you didn't mention that: did you even ask that person you got help from about the matter?
Didn't he have to blow up his own Dagan as well and would've ended having two mission items? What if it wasn't his intention to ruin your day but just him being as clueless as you were?

I could agree with you about a design flaw In case someone doesn't even need to scratch "his" Dagan to complete the mission with a random mission item of the same type.

IIRC the mission is only classed as "Complete" when his ship is destroyed In that players specific pocket, and Dagan himself is in the station. Merely having Dagen won't allow you to complete the mission, as the ship is still running around, and killing somebody elses Dagan won't allow you to complete it either, even if you scoop him.

This was most likely a case of a Vet being a ****.

So...again, it was no new player. Just an alt of a veteran pretending to be one and who does prey on people like you to make a huge mistake.

What none of the fanboys will address:

1. If it was YOUR mission reward, why would CCP let the other player loot it?

2. If YOU didn't loot the needed quest item, then why did it partially complete the objective preventing you from acquiring the item?


I'll tell you why. Bad game design. OP, your initial hunch is not far from the truth.

CCP could do much better, they just won't. They are largely content with catering to their niche crowd.

No.

1. Stealing is allowed in EVE. He stole the loot.

2. Cause in the first place...don't let people steal your loot.

On top of this, how can you keep arguing that it's not a poor mechanic when a Game Master has to come and reset the quest? Cmon now. Don't be stupid here.

Then it really wasn't his was it? So why did it complete his quest?

Bad design.

You can suckle from the neckbeards at CCP all you want.

The design is exclusionary, not inclusionary. That's the whole premise behind the OP's original post.

Then it really wasn't his was it? So why did it complete his quest?

Bad design.

You can suckle from the neckbeards at CCP all you want.

The design is exclusionary, not inclusionary. That's the whole premise behind the OP's original post.

The SoE arc is regarded as part of the new player experience and the GMs will always help a new player who has accidentally messed up, even in situations where the game is working as intended.

You wouldn't get the same sympathy from them if you did something similar in a regular mission.

Oh, and there's no such thing as a "quest" in EVE. A lot of people will get upset if you continue to use that term.

What none of the fanboys will address:

1. If it was YOUR mission reward, why would CCP let the other player loot it?

2. If YOU didn't loot the needed quest item, then why did it partially complete the objective preventing you from acquiring the item?


I'll tell you why. Bad game design. OP, your initial hunch is not far from the truth.

CCP could do much better, they just won't. They are largely content with catering to their niche crowd.

Here I'll address your dumbshit:

1.) If it was my mission reward I wouldn't need CCP to add a mechanic to protect it. Stealing is allowed as well as buying mission items from the market or contracts to complete stuff.

2.) YOU foolishly trusted someone, put him in a fleet and gave him the mission pocket . That means he is your buddy. Your buddy screwed you.

We're very happy with CCP catering to their niche crowd which doesn't include pussies like you.

Get out.

What none of the fanboys will address:

1. If it was YOUR mission reward, why would CCP let the other player loot it?

2. If YOU didn't loot the needed quest item, then why did it partially complete the objective preventing you from acquiring the item?


I'll tell you why. Bad game design. OP, your initial hunch is not far from the truth.

CCP could do much better, they just won't. They are largely content with catering to their niche crowd.

Then it really wasn't his was it? So why did it complete his quest?

Bad design.

HJ, though I agree with your points and feel exactly like you.

Keep in mind that personal attacks and bad mouthing against new players is NOT good for your forum health.
CCP might sent you on a mandatory holiday if you keep doing it.

The OP assumes that the other player was on the same mission and used HIS item to complete the quest (which is impossible cause the objective only gets a green tick if you kill Dagan in your own pocket.

Are you sure about that? I thought you get a green tick if you present the agent with Dagan's corpse, however you might have acquired it. Why else would anyone steal it and put it on contract?

Woah... I actually have to flame a new player. The end is near indeed..... This better be a troll, but I'm biting regardless.



What valid criticism. Key items are unique, and spawned for each mission. He stole it from under your nose, which, while a ****/inmature move, is allowed. It's how EVE works, and trusting somebody to "help" you brings risks with it



Let me guess, you also believe games like Call of Duty are made for adults....



Lets see, the 2 largest Alliances hail from Something Awful(Goons) Which has an Eye-Cancer inducing layout, Reddit(TEST), which has an Eye-cancer inducing layout, and both of them have a large 4chan following, which is... suprise supise, another site with an eye-cancer inducing layout.

Being able to build a self substainable Dwarf Fortress should be a requirment to register.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q


ISK can be earned back, Standings can be grinded up again. Effort is needed to become a member of this community. You have no idea how hard I laugh at people who ask questions about the tutorial missions that are explained before even accepting the missions. You got duped, grow some skin.

If you want to play a game where you can go braindead, play CoD or something, I doubt you could handle WoW. (Or become an AFK miner. I look forward to seeing your whine post about how you lost your Mining Barge in High Security.

Here I'll address your dumbshit:

1.) If it was my mission reward I wouldn't need CCP to add a mechanic to protect it. Stealing is allowed as well as buying mission items from the market or contracts to complete stuff.

2.) YOU foolishly trusted someone, put him in a fleet and gave him the mission pocket . That means he is your buddy. Your buddy screwed you.

We're very happy with CCP catering to their niche crowd which doesn't include pussies like you.

I don't care about things that would hurt them more than me.


....aaaand this is exactly the type of stuff new guys will hear if they spout off like that in game so it's a good representation of the NPE in EVE.

Never said I didn't like the game. Your comments don't bother me at all. Enjoy your flames.

I was merely stating that the mission had to be reset, since someone else took his item..

I guess CCP prefers employing GMs to perform menial ingame resets over providing players a less frustrating experience.

I'm all for stealing other peoples stuff.

I just don't agree with it affecting mission items.

Cause people like the OP need to buy it in the first place cause they let others steal it from them.

Then what is the point of stealing.

Stealing something that has no real matter to a player is not fun.

Having you rage cause somebody stole your mission item...that is fun.

Having GMs reset the mission (and the ability to do that) both negates the antagonists ability to have any real effect on the other player and somewhat discredits the utility of any effort to do so.

I swear I've never seen a community more stuck up it's own ******* than EVE Online. My god. They can't take any VALID criticism. Even if they know they're in the wrong, they will constantly at as if not. It's like a religious, like a cult. They so badly want to be away from all the WoW clones they convince themselves that EVE is perfect and nothing is wrong, and if someone doesn't like something about EVE, they're in the wrong regardless of the issue.

I was led to believe the EVE Community was mature due to the "complexity" of it. I was led astray, I guess, just like with this mission.


EVE's community is on the same level as 4Chan or WoW's. No better, no worse. Most communities in games are like this these days. I'm glad I could dispel my own personal curiosity to see if people talking about how EVE was a "mature game for mature people"

It's not. Not that it's bad, I just wish people would stop perpetuating such falsities.