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Barakkus 981	Posted - 2011.10.27 17:31:00 - [31] - Quote Use planetary launches if you don't want to deal with the new customs office.
Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 63	Posted - 2011.10.27 17:45:00 - [32] - Quote Ender Black wrote: Came in expecting stupid. Left, not disappointed.
Nick Bison Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd 1	Posted - 2011.10.27 18:17:00 - [33] - Quote [begin troll mode] I demand CCP answer the OP immediately! He is a very (self) important bittervet and you owe him an answer! [end troll mode]
Diomedes Calypso Aetolian Armada 27	Posted - 2011.10.27 18:37:00 - [34] - Quote It amazing me the people who think they are creating something of value making virtual goods that can be created with a few keystrokes. For purposes of game play and balance, the developers have Choosen to create mechics that have player actions using those dynammics deternmine how many goods are created. But of course, if players aren't getting the balance to a healthy place they can change drop rates, boutnties or the human time quotient necessary to produce more goods important to the economy. The only thing keeping CCP from making stuff out of thin air is that by using the market mechanism and players, they harness a powerful tool that saves them tons of hours tweeking the stuff. Even better, many players (and I have been a piece of the distribution hub at least) really enjoy the process so by making more elements player based CCP is also creating content for people like th OP to enjoy. HOWEVER ... those happy uses of the market mechanism in no way mean that CCP needs you to create Hydrogen Isotopes to keep posses running... if you didn't and too much content was being disrupted they'd introduce ways for other to get it into the game. "too much" is a fine point.. and cycles that create drama and disruption creating interesting game play... only after the pain gets too intense would they interevene.. but they have dozens of ways to do so. tldr.. You're playing a game not working for CCP creating pos fuel.
Barbara Nichole Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance 31	Posted - 2011.10.27 19:03:00 - [35] - Quote Ottman wrote: Well... how should i start ? i try to keep it short, in the beginning ccp tried to get control over the rmt situation, and with the introduction of plex they made on one hand a big throw in this case, but on the other hand they have signed an unspoken agreement. it means that player that find ways to earn enough isk legally within eve can buy plex and plax the game "for free",... no, they are not playing for free; someone else is paying their subscription for them by virtue of the plex.. and in fact the plex is also a sink for isk and mats that could be important for the game economy... so I don't see the down side there for anyone in game or maker of the game. but nice tin foil hattery. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG]
JC Anderson Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group 25	Posted - 2011.10.27 19:06:00 - [36] - Quote Gronn wrote: Does it really matter to CCP? Someone, somewhere paid for the PLEX with real money; it's like having someone pay for your account and you provide an ingame service for them... No.. It doesn't and that's where the OP seems to be a bit confused. Not that it matters, since in his first post he said he won't bother reading any replies unless they are from a DEV or GM.
Lykouleon Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 236	Posted - 2011.10.27 19:06:00 - [37] - Quote The OP is filled with so much logical fallacy that even I can't troll it. And I can usually troll anything. Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD
Diomedes Calypso Aetolian Armada 27	Posted - 2011.10.27 19:08:00 - [38] - Quote Lykouleon wrote: The OP is filled with so much logical fallacy that even I can't troll it. And I can usually troll anything. lmao ! bears repeating
Akrasjel Lanate Naquatech Conglomerate 146	Posted - 2011.10.27 19:10:00 - [39] - Quote What ? Dude... what you smoking i want some.
Nyio Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 184	Posted - 2011.10.27 19:17:00 - [40] - Quote Nobody likes raised taxes.. I think OP have atleast one good point in that wall of text. Haven't done any PI myself since they revamped the Planetary Interaction UI. And with the coming changes that would lower any profit made from it, it's not likely I ever will take it up again. Features & Ideas Discussion: Agent Finder, Black Holes Needs a banner here..
Hershman G-Weezy 27	Posted - 2011.10.27 19:17:00 - [41] - Quote Seriously, can an admin do their job and slap the ban on all these trolls? theres more trash about his grammar than anything else when he's got a valid point to talk about Anyways, I feel what you are saying Ot but if you want to use PI as a solo pursuit you have to do it in High-Sec under concord jurisdiction. As with almost everything else in Eve, Low through Nul Security systems are geared more towards groups of players, corps, and alliances. We knew for a long time that planetary interaction was tied in with conflicts on the Dust 514 side. It's no big surprise that Planetary industry are forming around a more adversarial design as we close in on the first release of Dust. But this is Eve, so if you have solo pursuit or casual gameplay interest, just do it in high security. Concord provides you the right to have that, and in a modest amount of profit that can go towards PLEX. I usually make in excess of 400mil every couple weeks from my Concord colonies, so it can be done no doubt.
Trainwreck McGee Ghost Ship Inc. 87	Posted - 2011.10.27 19:19:00 - [42] - Quote drugs drugs drugs some are good some are bad drugs drugs drugs ask your mom or ask you dad sometimes drugs can be just like a wolf i.e. LAY OFF THE DRUGS OP CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool
Jita Alt666 424	Posted - 2011.10.27 19:20:00 - [43] - Quote non judgement wrote: Does anyone think that the price of PI on the market will increase for a while after the new custom offices? The increase might even be enough to compensate for the raise in the taxes. Look at the useful PI products (pos fuel etc) price history in the market for the last month. Line your your cursor up with the day the PI Dev Blog was released. The increase has already started - this is fuelled by speculation. This will continue until the results of the change of mechanics are clear. Then prices will stabilise. Then there will be a period where people look for new choke points and attempt to influence them to make more gains. Then prices will stabilise. Whether or not the returns given by said prices stabilise at a level or lower level than prior to pre-patch speculation is the great unknown.
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate 58	Posted - 2011.10.27 19:24:00 - [44] - Quote Like the unspoken agreement that, you get a college degree and there by will get a job, beautiful wife and BMW? Let me guess, your school gave trophies to everyone who ran in the race, just for being in the race. Sorry if this seems harsh, but you are not entitled to anything except being left alone to succeed or fail on your own. This PI change is and already has, created lots of profit opportunities. Find them, exploit them.
JC Anderson Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group 25	Posted - 2011.10.27 19:31:00 - [45] - Quote The main problem with this thread starts right in the title. The OP Is actually suggesting that CCP doesn't want people paying via PLEX and want's them out of EVE. It's difficult to take the rest of the argument very seriously until he first realizes that this isn't the case. CCP makes just as much money off PLEX accounts as they do with regular paid subscriptions. CCP even stands to make MORE MONEY off of PLEX accounts by the simple fact that PLEX can now be destroyed, and must be replaced by those who intended to use the ones that were destroyed.
War Kitten Panda McLegion 158	Posted - 2011.10.27 19:33:00 - [46] - Quote Ottman wrote: Well... how should i start ? I would've started with some concrete facts or evidence and then built logical arguments that supported my opinion. This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine.
Hershman G-Weezy 27	Posted - 2011.10.27 19:56:00 - [47] - Quote Guys, give it a rest already. You can be mature and understand him just fine if you would stop trying to be the stereotypical high school bully. Or, if that is your true persona hopefully an admin will do their job. Ot, I understand you feel spited by CCP by their development of PI conflict, but consider this; People will need something to fight for when Dust 514 comes out, or else no one will play it because it will be rather boring sitting around only able to contemplate these invulnerable structures dropped down by Eve players. It's important to see this side because CCP is genuinely not trying to hunt the players down and make it harder to buy plex with in-game money. I hope you understand, and I hope to share resources on a concord sanctioned planet with you soon.

CCP Phantom C C P C C P Alliance 119	Posted - 2011.10.27 20:04:00 - [48] - Quote Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic, thank you. Also please keep discussions about Player Owned Customs Offices in the according feedback thread. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator

Ottman LoneWolf Mining Veni Vidi Vici Alliance 2	Posted - 2011.10.28 00:48:00 - [49] - Quote sorry ccp phantom, i tried that two times and none of my replies showed up in that thread, so nope i had to open up this one, not my fault ! MfG Ottman
Ottman LoneWolf Mining Veni Vidi Vici Alliance 2	Posted - 2011.10.28 22:15:00 - [50] - Quote and again, push, yes i am so naughty :P
Holy One SniggWaffe 66	Posted - 2011.10.28 22:31:00 - [51] - Quote Keno Skir wrote: I fairly easily make enough ISK to plex my account. OP should be amazed by that since i'm a fairly young player and run only the most basic of highsec PI. If you've been playing for 6 years and still can't afford to plex your account without PI you need to check out some other areas of the game :P I look forward to this new content even if it's not perfect. Posting in a 'I failed to get space rich or a Phd from eve online in almost a decade of not-really-trying' thread. Proof. Obviously I wouldn't be too proud to take a donation. Hurrr.
Jita Alt666 432	Posted - 2011.10.28 22:49:00 - [52] - Quote Holy One wrote: Keno Skir wrote: I fairly easily make enough ISK to plex my account. OP should be amazed by that since i'm a fairly young player and run only the most basic of highsec PI. If you've been playing for 6 years and still can't afford to plex your account without PI you need to check out some other areas of the game :P I look forward to this new content even if it's not perfect. Posting in a 'I failed to get space rich or a Phd from eve online in almost a decade of not-really-trying' thread. Proof. Obviously I wouldn't be too proud to take a donation. Hurrr. Poor in real life and in Eve.
ACE McFACE Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 42	Posted - 2011.10.28 22:52:00 - [53] - Quote Confirming that PI is the only way to pay for PLEX ZE GOGGLES, ZEY DO NOTHING! (Not wearing them so don't waste your time reading this sig)
Ammzi Imperial Guardians Blazing Angels Alliance 81	Posted - 2011.10.28 22:53:00 - [54] - Quote Ottman wrote: but with the announcement of the player customs office you have broken this agreement ccp, and this means you kick those players that use plex to stay online out of eve online, I am not even kidding. I stopped reading right there. Facepalm to you OP, big facepalm to you. o\ quote CCP Spitfire "Hello Im Blue,"
DelBoy Trades Enslave. GIANTSBANE. 12	Posted - 2011.10.28 22:56:00 - [55] - Quote I was going to type out a well thought out and detailed response, pointing out the numerous flaws with OPs argument. But then I realised I'd rather get my balls caught in my zipper than humour him. So quick summary: OP you are wrong, please either shut up or unsubscribe, either way, no one cares. o7
Xavier Quo Ministry of War Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2011.10.28 22:56:00 - [56] - Quote I will enjoy hacking your customs office, thus removing you from the game.
Holy One SniggWaffe 66	Posted - 2011.10.29 02:48:00 - [57] - Quote Jita Alt666 wrote: Holy One wrote: Keno Skir wrote: I fairly easily make enough ISK to plex my account. OP should be amazed by that since i'm a fairly young player and run only the most basic of highsec PI. If you've been playing for 6 years and still can't afford to plex your account without PI you need to check out some other areas of the game :P I look forward to this new content even if it's not perfect. Posting in a 'I failed to get space rich or a Phd from eve online in almost a decade of not-really-trying' thread. Proof. Obviously I wouldn't be too proud to take a donation. Hurrr. Poor in real life and in Eve. Space rich, life poor? Time and tide init. History is written on the sands of my living room carpet.
Scrapyard Bob EVE University Ivy League 223	Posted - 2011.10.29 03:06:00 - [58] - Quote Nyio wrote: Nobody likes raised taxes.. I think OP have atleast one good point in that wall of text. Haven't done any PI myself since they revamped the Planetary Interaction UI. And with the coming changes that would lower any profit made from it, it's not likely I ever will take it up again. Edit: My perspective on this is all about highsec. Unfortunately, unless the tariffs get raised, the economic case for POCOs falls flat - especially on P1 harvest planets which currently pay a measly 0.10-0.20% in fees compared to their export value. Which hits lo-sec POCOs hardest because they can't, even at 100% tariffs, make enough to pay for the POCO in any reasonable time frame. And if they encourage more then a handful of players to build colonies, the yields go down as the planet gets drained too fast each day. P2 pays a bit more to export, but is still about 0.20-0.30% of current market value. P3 currently pays 3-5% in fees in relation to market value and P4 pays too much at 10-15% of market value. So P1/P2 fees could easily go up 50x and barely make a dent (P4 tariffs need to be cut a bit).
Holy One SniggWaffe 67	Posted - 2011.10.29 03:25:00 - [59] - Quote Scrapyard Bob wrote: Nyio wrote: Nobody likes raised taxes.. I think OP have atleast one good point in that wall of text. Haven't done any PI myself since they revamped the Planetary Interaction UI. And with the coming changes that would lower any profit made from it, it's not likely I ever will take it up again. Edit: My perspective on this is all about highsec. Unfortunately, unless the tariffs get raised, the economic case for POCOs falls flat - especially on P1 harvest planets which currently pay a measly 0.10-0.20% in fees compared to their export value. Which hits lo-sec POCOs hardest because they can't, even at 100% tariffs, make enough to pay for the POCO in any reasonable time frame. And if they encourage more then a handful of players to build colonies, the yields go down as the planet gets drained too fast each day. P2 pays a bit more to export, but is still about 0.20-0.30% of current market value. P3 currently pays 3-5% in fees in relation to market value and P4 pays too much at 10-15% of market value. So P1/P2 fees could easily go up 50x and barely make a dent (P4 tariffs need to be cut a bit). Time. Time. Time. The maths are obviously flawed, although less obviously the specifics of that as you point out so expertly are indisputable. But the time taken, soaked up, in conjunction with the risk aversion we all already have plenty of, accounts for this concept instantly. It should never even have been seriously discussed. Its dumb and won't work and that alone is not what annoys me. Its more the fact people are getting paid a salary to come up with this guff and someone on a higher salary, in a position of actual responsibility has no idea how their product functions. Even if PI became 2x more profitable, or 5x more profitable, there's no way I am putting 2bn isk in to five indefensible pinjata POCO just to spend 2-5 hrs a week doing PI and every waking minute wondering if its all going to be wiped out. Anxiety and boredom are not catalysts for pleasure. Nobody will do PI unless they have a locked down system ie wormhole. Or deep sov null - and I can't think of a single person in a sov 0.0 alliance who is going to turn up for POCO ctas on top of all the others. Design philosophy for any game should be 1. Is it technically and budgetarily feasable. 2. Is it fun. 3. Does it add value. 4. Will someone be attracted to this and retained as a customer by it. 1. No. 2. No. 3. NO. 4. LOL
Vastek Non State War Academy Caldari State 40	Posted - 2011.10.29 03:26:00 - [60] - Quote JC Anderson wrote: You do realize that it doesn't matter to ccp if you play via plex, or by paying for a subscription right? It may seem free to those using plex, but ccp makes money regardlress of how one maintains their subscription. The plex that people purchase in-game has alreeady been paid for in real world money by SOMEBODY when the plex was initially purchased. CCP wanting people who pay with plex to leave the game would be the exact same thing as accusing them of wanting paying subscriberrs to go away too. Actually, where I live PLEX are actually more expensive than the monthly subscription, so it would not be a stretch to say its ludicrous CCP would want to harm what is most likely their biggest revenue stream. Plex are $19 and monthly subs $15. As noted, every plex in game has been purchased with real life cash.

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