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Hegrin Helsvord Solaris Project Border World Enterprises 0	Posted - 2013.06.14 19:03:00 - [1] - Quote I intended to train for Amarr ships, based simply on looks (they are more symetric). But I've read horrific things on these forums, especially post-Odyssey: - It seems Caldari and Amarr ships are a bad choice, especially for PVP, which is very important in Eve. - It seems Amarr ships are total losers (cap issues, speed issues, mid slots issues). - It seems Minmatar rules (Winmatar, I've read). Is this true? I know it's difficult to be objective, but I could really use your help here. I dont want to train 1 year for Amarr, only to find out I wasted my time and money. (many people asked me: what do you wanna do in Eve? My answer: i dont know. I really just started so I have no idea what is to do here. Probably a combination of missioning, exploration, pvp). Thanks in advance for all your help!
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 2431	Posted - 2013.06.14 19:03:00 - [2] - Quote --> EVE New Citizens Q&A The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Hegrin Helsvord Solaris Project Border World Enterprises 0	Posted - 2013.06.14 19:08:00 - [3] - Quote Thanks Doc, but there is no such question in Q&A. If you really wanna help, please take your time to actually read my question. Sending me rapidly to Q&A is not solving my problem. I really need your game know-how, if you are in a mood to share.
Tiber Ibis Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 17	Posted - 2013.06.14 19:09:00 - [4] - Quote Hegrin Helsvord wrote: I intended to train for Amarr ships, based simply on looks (they are more symetric). But I've read horrific things on these forums, especially post-Odyssey: - It seems Caldari and Amarr ships are a bad choice, especially for PVP, which is very important in Eve. - It seems Amarr ships are total losers (cap issues, speed issues, mid slots issues). - It seems Minmatar rules (Winmatar, I've read). Is this true? I know it's difficult to be objective, but I could really use your help here. I dont want to train 1 year for Amarr, only to find out I wasted my time and money. (many people asked me: what do you wanna do in Eve? My answer: i dont know. I really just started so I have no idea what is to do here. Probably a combination of missioning, exploration, pvp). Thanks in advance for all your help! No not at all. Amarr ships are still great for pvp. People like to whine about everything so dont let it put you off. All ships are good so go with the ones you like the look and feel of. Each has different strengths and weaknesses so read up and find out which ones you prefer.
Hegrin Helsvord Solaris Project Border World Enterprises 0	Posted - 2013.06.14 19:11:00 - [5] - Quote Thank you, that's good to hear.
Ramona McCandless Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard 323	Posted - 2013.06.14 19:11:00 - [6] - Quote Hegrin Helsvord wrote: I intended to train for Amarr ships, based simply on looks (they are more symetric). But I've read horrific things on these forums, especially post-Odyssey: - It seems Caldari and Amarr ships are a bad choice, especially for PVP, which is very important in Eve. - It seems Amarr ships are total losers (cap issues, speed issues, mid slots issues). - It seems Minmatar rules (Winmatar, I've read). Is this true? I know it's difficult to be objective, but I could really use your help here. I dont want to train 1 year for Amarr, only to find out I wasted my time and money. (many people asked me: what do you wanna do in Eve? My answer: i dont know. I really just started so I have no idea what is to do here. Probably a combination of missioning, exploration, pvp). Thanks in advance for all your help! No Do a stat comparison, and you will see Amarr ships are awesome Tell The Others
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 2432	Posted - 2013.06.14 19:11:00 - [7] - Quote Hegrin Helsvord wrote: Thanks Doc, but there is no such question in Q&A. If you really wanna help, please take your time to actually read my question. Sending me rapidly to Q&A is not solving my problem. I really need your game know-how, if you are in a mood to share. No, that's where new players are supposed to post questions, not in GD (here). The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Haulie Berry 1072	Posted - 2013.06.14 19:12:00 - [8] - Quote Hegrin Helsvord wrote: Thanks Doc, but there is no such question in Q&A. If you really wanna help, please take your time to actually read my question. Sending me rapidly to Q&A is not solving my problem. I really need your game know-how, if you are in a mood to share. The implication was that you should take your question to Newbie Q&A, where it belongs, and where people will be more inclined to help you with mundane newbie questions like, "Which race is the bestest?"
Grunanca Sickology 7	Posted - 2013.06.14 19:14:00 - [9] - Quote Hegrin Helsvord wrote: I intended to train for Amarr ships, based simply on looks (they are more symetric). But I've read horrific things on these forums, especially post-Odyssey: - It seems Caldari and Amarr ships are a bad choice, especially for PVP, which is very important in Eve. - It seems Amarr ships are total losers (cap issues, speed issues, mid slots issues). - It seems Minmatar rules (Winmatar, I've read). Is this true? I know it's difficult to be objective, but I could really use your help here. I dont want to train 1 year for Amarr, only to find out I wasted my time and money. (many people asked me: what do you wanna do in Eve? My answer: i dont know. I really just started so I have no idea what is to do here. Probably a combination of missioning, exploration, pvp). Thanks in advance for all your help! Wait what? Amarr ships are the best for pvp, with caldari being complete rubbish! Amarr has very high buffer tank on pretty much any ship. At the same time they got high dps with the ability to swap crystals instant, keeping the enemy in optimal range at all times. Minmatar and gallente might be better at perfect range, but in pvp you are not gonna be in perfect range that often. Amarr does the job no matter what the situation. And dont even get me started on what the Armageddon can do in pvp after the Odyssey changes, its ridiciously good.
Demolishar United Aggression 889	Posted - 2013.06.14 19:17:00 - [10] - Quote Stop discriminating against the new player. Amarr are decent these days. The Amarr battleships strangely have deteriorated from being the best battleships in the game, to being mediocre. Whilst the sub-battleship line of Amarr is always at least competetive, and often excellent. They also have the best capitals apart from the revelation, which sucks.
Tiber Ibis Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 17	Posted - 2013.06.14 19:18:00 - [11] - Quote Grunanca wrote: Hegrin Helsvord wrote: I intended to train for Amarr ships, based simply on looks (they are more symetric). But I've read horrific things on these forums, especially post-Odyssey: - It seems Caldari and Amarr ships are a bad choice, especially for PVP, which is very important in Eve. - It seems Amarr ships are total losers (cap issues, speed issues, mid slots issues). - It seems Minmatar rules (Winmatar, I've read). Is this true? I know it's difficult to be objective, but I could really use your help here. I dont want to train 1 year for Amarr, only to find out I wasted my time and money. (many people asked me: what do you wanna do in Eve? My answer: i dont know. I really just started so I have no idea what is to do here. Probably a combination of missioning, exploration, pvp). Thanks in advance for all your help! Wait what? Amarr ships are the best for pvp, with caldari being complete rubbish! Amarr has very high buffer tank on pretty much any ship. At the same time they got high dps with the ability to swap crystals instant, keeping the enemy in optimal range at all times. Minmatar and gallente might be better at perfect range, but in pvp you are not gonna be in perfect range that often. Amarr does the job no matter what the situation. And dont even get me started on what the Armageddon can do in pvp after the Odyssey changes, its ridiciously good. Caldari rubbish? Really? Missiles are awesome right now in small gang pvp and on BS's with the cruise missile changes. Also don't pick any ship based upon what people on the forums are saying, because likely it won't be flavour of the month next month. All races are looking pretty balanced right now though, pirate ships need a good look at though still.
Tiber Ibis Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 17	Posted - 2013.06.14 19:19:00 - [12] - Quote Demolishar wrote: Stop discriminating against the new player. Amarr are decent these days. The Amarr battleships strangely have deteriorated from being the best battleships in the game, to being mediocre. Whilst the sub-battleship line of Amarr is always at least competetive, and often excellent. They also have the best capitals apart from the revelation, which sucks. Yep they have the best capitals, but by the time the OP gets to capitals they will hopefully have been tiericided also.
Tumahub Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 20	Posted - 2013.06.14 19:21:00 - [13] - Quote Hegrin Helsvord wrote: - It seems Caldari and Amarr ships are a bad choice, especially for PVP, which is very important in Eve. Nope. Hegrin Helsvord wrote: - It seems Amarr ships are total losers (cap issues, speed issues, mid slots issues). Applies to frigates more than anything else. Hegrin Helsvord wrote: - It seems Minmatar rules (Winmatar, I've read). Nope. HTH
Elliavir Miskatonic Mercantile 15	Posted - 2013.06.14 19:31:00 - [14] - Quote Hegrin Helsvord wrote: New player - should I train Amarr? Total losers? I am sure not every Amarr citizen is a total loser, but they are difficult to work with as a general rule of thumb. Oh... wait. You meant their ships. Nevermind.
Ramona McCandless Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard 327	Posted - 2013.06.14 19:32:00 - [15] - Quote Elliavir wrote: Hegrin Helsvord wrote: New player - should I train Amarr? Total losers? I am sure not every Amarr citizen is a total loser, but they are difficult to work with as a general rule of thumb. Oh... wait. You meant their ships. Nevermind. That's racist, dawg Amarr blood is just as good as anyone's for The Ceremony Tell The Others
Murk Paradox Red Tsunami The Cursed Few 407	Posted - 2013.06.14 19:40:00 - [16] - Quote Hegrin Helsvord wrote: I intended to train for Amarr ships, based simply on looks (they are more symetric). But I've read horrific things on these forums, especially post-Odyssey: - It seems Caldari and Amarr ships are a bad choice, especially for PVP, which is very important in Eve. - It seems Amarr ships are total losers (cap issues, speed issues, mid slots issues). - It seems Minmatar rules (Winmatar, I've read). Is this true? I know it's difficult to be objective, but I could really use your help here. I dont want to train 1 year for Amarr, only to find out I wasted my time and money. (many people asked me: what do you wanna do in Eve? My answer: i dont know. I really just started so I have no idea what is to do here. Probably a combination of missioning, exploration, pvp). Thanks in advance for all your help! Well, I fly Amarr and I like Amarr ships. Some doctrines are difficult to be a part of due to Amarr being all about neuting/nos and track disrupts and drones whereas most fleets tend to lead more to artillery and blasters. Apart from that, for cap warfare I love Amarr, also for drones. At almost 1 yr playing, I have crosstrained Caldari and Gallente, but still prefer Amarr ships (t2 variants as well as navy fleet variants are awesome). It does REALLY come down to what you want to do. I think you should start as Amarr, if nothing else to make it more difficult to learn, since once you get your core skills down, it won't really matter what you fly. But flying Amarr will definitely teach you to respect your capacitor (which is very important). Shields, armor, resists, ammo, other weapons are all very easy to learn in comparison... but capacitor is a vicious woman. I probably myself would have done better starting as Gallente for what I like, but I don't regret learning as Amarr first. "Never rub another man's rhubarb." -Joker in Batman (Jack Nicholson) Just get a catalyst, blow him up and the post in local "Just a friendly reminder that I'm mining here and not you." -Abrazzar
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 335	Posted - 2013.06.14 23:12:00 - [17] - Quote You'll be fine with Amarr. Scorch is awesome. Rifterlings Corporation is now recruiting pilots for faction warfare solo & small gang frigate PvP. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter.
Jimmy Morane Aurora Novae Aetatis Expoit This Mf's 13	Posted - 2013.06.14 23:19:00 - [18] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Elliavir wrote: Hegrin Helsvord wrote: New player - should I train Amarr? Total losers? I am sure not every Amarr citizen is a total loser, but they are difficult to work with as a general rule of thumb. Oh... wait. You meant their ships. Nevermind. That's racist, dawg Amarr blood is just as good as anyone's for The Ceremony shudders
Erotica 1 Krypteia Operations 456	Posted - 2013.06.14 23:39:00 - [19] - Quote I originally chose Amarr because of the t1 laser crystals. Then I started to regret that when I would get neuted in pvp. But you know what? When you're in a fleet bashing a pos or other structures, it's nice to be able to aim, fire, and go to sleep. Depending on whom you ask, you'll get different responses. I suggest you simply do your own research. Just don't be "one of those guys" who simply shoots rocks all day. See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did.
Mark Rain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 13	Posted - 2013.06.14 23:42:00 - [20] - Quote Hegrin Helsvord wrote: - It seems Caldari and Amarr ships are a bad choice, especially for PVP, which is very important in Eve. Have a look at the top 20 ship list on the bottom left and be surprised. http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20
Rune Ainur Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2013.06.14 23:45:00 - [21] - Quote Is Doc Fury trying too hard to be ISD?
Erotica 1 Krypteia Operations 457	Posted - 2013.06.15 00:27:00 - [22] - Quote Rune Ainur wrote: Is Doc Fury trying too hard to be ISD? Competition might be fierce for a position. I have myself considered joining ISD. See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 244	Posted - 2013.06.15 00:50:00 - [23] - Quote As a player who flies mostly Amarr ships, I will tell you not to get discouraged. Many of our ships are what could be called "high skills" ships. Not that they require more piloting skill from the player, but that the character's skills need to be up to par in order for them to compete, cap skills and navigation skills in particular. They are not extremely noob friendly like the Caldari and Minmatar ships are, thosen be reasonably effective at any character skill level. Not so the Amarr, the frigates especially. But our cruisers are the bomb. My favorite part of our ship lineup to be honest with you, not a dud in the bunch. And some of our T2 stuff sets the standard for kicking ass. But you will find bits and pieces of every race's ships that just have a stronger choice than the other races. For a while, as a noob, I didn't realize that any other race but Minmatar had Interdictors. :P Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Mr Kidd Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1179	Posted - 2013.06.15 01:45:00 - [24] - Quote You will read horrific things about all the races. Just pick a race and train. In about 3 - 5 years you'll be a decently skilled pilot. But whatever you do...... Don't train Caldari. Missile damage is weak and their ships slow. Definitely don't train Amarr, their armor is weak and lazors don't track well. Forget about Minmatar. Their guns are weak, don't track well and their tanks pitiful. Absolutely don't train Gallente. The range on their guns suck and when they don't their DPS sucks and they require cap for everything which means if you sneeze you'll cap out. Train something else. HTFU!...for the children!
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 245	Posted - 2013.06.15 01:49:00 - [25] - Quote Mr Kidd wrote: You will read horrific things about all the races. Just pick a race and train. In about 3 - 5 years you'll be a decently skilled pilot. But whatever you do...... Don't train Caldari. Missile damage is weak and their ships slow. Definitely don't train Amarr, their armor is weak and lazors don't track well. Forget about Minmatar. Their guns are weak, don't track well and their tanks pitiful. Absolutely don't train Gallente. The range on their guns suck and when they don't their DPS sucks and they require cap for everything which means if you sneeze you'll cap out. Train something else. Train Jove. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Black Dranzer 256	Posted - 2013.06.15 01:59:00 - [26] - Quote I'll let you in on a secret: Patches happen. Things get buffed, or nerfed, or rebalanced. Don't try to ride the wave of the flavor of the month. That way lies madness. Just go with what sounds like you might enjoy it. And maybe you'll be wrong! But you'll have learned something about yourself. Your initial instinct about Amarr being cool looking ships that shoot lasers is worth far more than 20 grumbling vets lecturing you on capacitor usage. Or just do what I do and cross-train everything.
SmilingVagrant GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1772	Posted - 2013.06.15 02:05:00 - [27] - Quote Minmatar probably has the best solo PVP boats in the game. This is true. But all of them have their places in gangs, which is where the vast majority of Eve PvP occurs. Amarr AHAC gangs can be nasty.
Jake Warbird Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 2889	Posted - 2013.06.15 02:08:00 - [28] - Quote They worship girls. Teehee
KuroVolt The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance 380	Posted - 2013.06.15 02:27:00 - [29] - Quote Hellcats are still viable! They are! ;-;
Oggat The Adam's Family 10	Posted - 2013.06.15 02:55:00 - [30] - Quote Mr Kidd wrote: You will read horrific things about all the races. Just pick a race and train. In about 3 - 5 years you'll be a decently skilled pilot. But whatever you do...... Don't train Caldari. Missile damage is weak and their ships slow. Definitely don't train Amarr, their armor is weak and lazors don't track well. Forget about Minmatar. Their guns are weak, don't track well and their tanks pitiful. Absolutely don't train Gallente. The range on their guns suck and when they don't their DPS sucks and they require cap for everything which means if you sneeze you'll cap out. Train something else. Or train them all. Nerf proof is the I-Win button in EVE. EFT warriors are trying to market ships and fits as much as anything. Goons proved it's all trash talk when they built a Drake Army. Everyone cried, nerf the Drake but it really doesn't matter what you fly when there are 1200 of you. Train Blob.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 2727	Posted - 2013.06.15 04:18:00 - [31] - Quote Hegrin Helsvord wrote: - It seems Caldari and Amarr ships are a bad choice, especially for PVP, which is very important in Eve. Caldari + Amarr = Nightmare! Can't go wrong with that. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Amarra Mandalin Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 619	Posted - 2013.06.15 04:22:00 - [32] - Quote My hunch is that Caldari --with missiles and then rails (or Minmitar & later Loki) would be more flexible for you given what you wrote you think you want to do. Amarr is a great race but just know its training demands and limits (along with other races you consider) before jumping into it. I'd suggest holding off on "long" skills (e.g. Cruiser V or specific Large Gun Specs) until you know more. Each race has a decent enough T1 cruiser for exploration so I'd focus on that with T2 fittings and T2 drones if you want to explore; otherwise an interceptor/assault frig (navigation skills + frig V) if you plan to PvP sooner rather than later. By then you should have an idea of what you want to run LV 4 missions in and and can train accordingly; hopefully with little unneeded training unless you make a drastic change -- and even then it shouldn't be that bad. I'd say one of the biggest mistakes people make is rushing into a battleship or even Tier-3 BC too fast. You can glean a lot of information in the Missions and Complexes section as well as the aforementioned New Player forum, too.
Amarra Mandalin Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 619	Posted - 2013.06.15 04:26:00 - [33] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Hegrin Helsvord wrote: - It seems Caldari and Amarr ships are a bad choice, especially for PVP, which is very important in Eve. Caldari + Amarr = Nightmare! Can't go wrong with that. Mr Epeen Yeah, that's a long haul but what I did originally, before Mimmie and Gal. Plus the Sac ...even if it does need love.
Kid Moxie Continuum. Infinity Alliance 16	Posted - 2013.06.15 04:33:00 - [34] - Quote Caldari and Amarr do fine in PvP. Missiles are generally a weaker option, but in the correct set up they can do work on an enemy. Both the Apocalypse (Amarr) and Rokh (Caldari) both are sort of popular among some PvP doctrines.
Gordon Esil Grumpy Bastards Mass Overload 35	Posted - 2013.06.15 04:57:00 - [35] - Quote Amarr ships not bad, they are just not noob friendly anymore like they were before If you get yourself good skills on those ships (aka: more time) then they can be beasts in battle Put buffer tank on them and people will get crazy while seeing your are melting so slow Battleships now got an interesting new concept after the patch (though I still whine about those changes), also lasers got some cap usage nerf so it will be helpful But do not get frustrated of the bad performance for you if you go in their direction while low on support skills... not newbies friendly anymore...
DeadAir C1 School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.06.15 07:05:00 - [36] - Quote Apparently these two groups of players forgot amarr and caldari suck... http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=18238642
Gordon Esil Grumpy Bastards Mass Overload 36	Posted - 2013.06.15 07:18:00 - [37] - Quote DeadAir C1 wrote: Apparently these two groups of players forgot amarr and caldari suck... http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=18238642 TOO MANY AMARR AND CALDARI
Harry Forever SpaceJunkys 69	Posted - 2013.06.15 07:58:00 - [38] - Quote Hegrin Helsvord wrote: I intended to train for Amarr ships, based simply on looks (they are more symetric). But I've read horrific things on these forums, especially post-Odyssey: - It seems Caldari and Amarr ships are a bad choice, especially for PVP, which is very important in Eve. - It seems Amarr ships are total losers (cap issues, speed issues, mid slots issues). - It seems Minmatar rules (Winmatar, I've read). Is this true? I know it's difficult to be objective, but I could really use your help here. I dont want to train 1 year for Amarr, only to find out I wasted my time and money. (many people asked me: what do you wanna do in Eve? My answer: i dont know. I really just started so I have no idea what is to do here. Probably a combination of missioning, exploration, pvp). Thanks in advance for all your help! i would go with the ones you like the most, at some point ccp will balance the ships anyway so some could get bette some could get worse, they however assure it stays balanced, and you still can crosstrain the other races, I started doing that myself OMG! the asteroid is depleted!
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 671	Posted - 2013.06.15 08:19:00 - [39] - Quote A lot of that 'winmatar' smack talk comes from scrubs who think Angel ships are Minmatar. Post hurricane and tracking nerf its even more laughable. Every Race kills its own pirate faction the fastest. So for PvE you are set. Every new pilot will struggle with cap in the beginning, so don't be discouraged. PvP is generally a fleet op and you should always be able to find help and accommodation there. If you are new someone will have an inexpensive fit for you most of the time. As mentioned train blobbing to 5 ASAP. we're gonna make them eat our ship, then ship out our ship, and then eat their ship that's made up of our ship that we made 'em eat.
ElQuirko Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT 1454	Posted - 2013.06.15 10:26:00 - [40] - Quote Hegrin Helsvord wrote: Thanks Doc, but there is no such question in Q&A. If you really wanna help, please take your time to actually read my question. Sending me rapidly to Q&A is not solving my problem. I really need your game know-how, if you are in a mood to share. I like you. I wouldn't recommend Amarr, I'd say Gallente, but that's personal preference because I like blasters. Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved.

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