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CT BadIronTree	Posted - 2003.08.09 09:16:00 - [1] i see more and more people joing pirate corporation.... people are leaving normal corp make their one... or join a big pirate corp... this is going to happent until they do something in game that is more fun.... now the most fun and easy way is to kill players in a starget... so lame..... nothing better to do... but they say is fun... i dont want to see everybody to become pirate corp.. this will make the ultima caos... everybody kills everybody... (sounds fun? not) people will leave the game beacuse they can not play at all... so pc pirates will leave becuase no player to kill now moo will be laky if he kill 20 player in 1 day... some weeks ago he kill 120+ people i heard that moo complaining that "no one play with them" :P because of the bookmark people make to pass roadblock :) i thinks some people quit moo.. and only 19 left where 19 people and now they are 23... moo is recruiting player :))))) go if you have a bs and with super skills... ============================================ Colossus Technologies The first and oldest corp in eve! BadIronTree Head of Production CSM Chat Log September 25, 2003: Fuhry> Some things we simply cannot test, and therefore we just put it on Tranq. cross our fingers and then get into panic mode. --------------------------------------- playing (or beta testing)since Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:06 (beta 5) ---------------------------------------
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.08.09 09:29:00 - [2] Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 09/08/2003 09:29:51 Despite Setecs "Pirating: It aint like your Mommy told ya" thread, it seems people still believe pirating to be the most exciting and rewarding way of playing the game. I think people who have turned to piracy for a good time have either sank or swam. Look at drunkenmaster as an example: He seemed sane and normal but he soon turned bad. I've heard he sometimes wears cerise nylon hotpants and glugs Amarrian brandy like its water..... Piracy is a bad thing. Fighting pirates is a good thing. Both equally as exciting. It won't make you as rich as the afk traders, but, hell, you'll find more longevity in the game. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
CT BadIronTree	Posted - 2003.08.09 09:43:00 - [3] well the game is not soposed to be pirate vs pirate... btw: sorry for my bad english ============================================ Colossus Technologies The first and oldest corp in eve! BadIronTree Head of Production CSM Chat Log September 25, 2003: Fuhry> Some things we simply cannot test, and therefore we just put it on Tranq. cross our fingers and then get into panic mode. --------------------------------------- playing (or beta testing)since Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:06 (beta 5) ---------------------------------------
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.08.09 09:45:00 - [4] CT, This game is whatever you make of it. Trader, manufacturer, pirate, miner, explorer, loot-hunter, recipient of gifts from the Jovian Gods, whiner of exceptional ability.... It's fun! LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2003.08.09 09:52:00 - [5] HAAAARRR! trips over niebelung peg-leg .
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.08.09 09:56:00 - [6] Is that a tech level 5 peg-leg? LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Nicholas Marshal	Posted - 2003.08.09 09:56:00 - [7] EVE is the modern day ELITE. Except it is better in almost every way.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2003.08.09 10:38:00 - [8] Excellent Joshua, finally I can start agreeing with you againà Eve is wonderfully varied, you just need a little wit and humour and capability to see the long game ;) To CT; You might be surprised by the numbers of ôpiratesö actually à though they are very vocal it is almost certainly a case of forum presence warping the perception of game reality. In fact, Eve as a whole today is much less prone to mad piratical endeavours than in the early period after release, because now the more organised pirate clans and organisations have claimed 0.0 territories to base themselves from. While this makes non-empire space very dangerous indeed at times, it does provide the contrast between high-security space and low-security space that I think the designers always intended. Rule of thumb CT, is look at the galactic map and check player density; absolutely hundreds and thousands in the core safe empire zones and much less population in the marginal 0.0 space surrounding. Sure, once you venture out into the regions ôclaimedö by pirate groups you are under significant risk, but to be honest, you should weigh the risks against potential profit and reach an informed decision. This, in my opinion at least, is far more reasonable than the abrupt descent of sudden violent destruction and podding that was rife in the early game, when mOo and their ilk ran rampant in core empire space, destroying starter ships for fun and jollies. At least now there is structure, and you may weigh travel destinations against the risk of pirate proximity. Hope this helps à. JF Public Forum
Stavros	Posted - 2003.08.09 10:44:00 - [9] Edited by: Stavros on 09/08/2003 10:45:18 I dont have time to do some huge post now, but suffice to say Jade is DEAD DEAD wrong. Requests to join m0o have gone up through the roof and not just from rampant noobs either. In the last week alone we have had 9 battleship equiped players request to join as well as numerous cruiser users and the usual bunch of nubs still in frigates. As the game progresses most (not all) people reach a point I reached very soon after I started playing. This is where they concede that they have spent all this time mining and slaving for their very nice ship/weapons and infact they never get to kill ANYONE. Since corp wars in this game are still a badly thought out joke, the only option avaiable to them is piracy. As more people hit bships you will see more and more of them turn pirate as they ask themselves the question 'have I infact finished eve?'. The answer to this question is yes, once you have a bship and a decent weapon setup all you need is 5-10million a week for insurance and ammo and off you go killing people. Ah well looks like I finished up typing a longish post anyway but hell who cares. And jade you are REALLY REALLY wrong, perhaps you should stop commenting on things about which you CLEARLY have no clue. For example if more people are not turning to piracy how is it that m0o/sin, two supposed pirate corps could take on and win the combined fleets of the fountain alliance? OMG OMG OMG... Stav -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Lola	Posted - 2003.08.09 11:01:00 - [10] Stav is right. If you disagree you just haven't hit that point yet. There are no computer controlled enemies that can threaten even a single battleship. So your choices are challenge yourself and stick to a cruiser, sit around like me and wait for the story to start or go out and hunt other players. I've seriously considered hunting others but that's not Lola's chosen path. Let's just hope that story gets here soon. ----------------------------------------- Sig rented by Drethen Nerevitas.
colla tidet	Posted - 2003.08.09 11:05:00 - [11] "Let us have faith that right makes right, and in that faith let us to the end dare to do our duty as we understand it."
CT BadIronTree	Posted - 2003.08.09 11:05:00 - [12] thanks you this is what im saying... im not a noob, im a very big fun of eve... i play from beta 5... but if eve dont put some "stuff" FAST in will fail the dream that is sopozed to make truw... 3 months now we did not see anything BIG happend... exept the hangar and empire space... some small thing .. YES (btw: next patch pirate can go in empire space and not get kill... depent in sec rat. like -5.0 can go in a 0.5-0.6 system) the story must start NOW... nothing to do... IF you get the BS and stuff what is next? (fun, cool, not boring) ============================================ Colossus Technologies The first and oldest corp in eve! BadIronTree Head of Production CSM Chat Log September 25, 2003: Fuhry> Some things we simply cannot test, and therefore we just put it on Tranq. cross our fingers and then get into panic mode. --------------------------------------- playing (or beta testing)since Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:06 (beta 5) ---------------------------------------
Troezar	Posted - 2003.08.09 11:09:00 - [13] Well maybe Jove involvement will provide a challenge they may even be too much for M0o!!!
Whoopy	Posted - 2003.08.09 11:16:00 - [14] Looks like most people have not enough fantasy to see the possabilitys. Why run after Moo style when theres much more ? In fact there are a few allys in stain, fountain and venal but there are no allys against the piracy, not now. Why not build counterparts to the pirates if you want a fight ? Sorry, but sitting at jumpgates and waiting for travellers who don¦t want to fight is fun ????? Be a bit more creative and you¦ll find a better way to do. If its boaring for you to mine and fight npc¦s look after a Moo, M3G4, Space Invaders or what ever. I think bountyhunting must be more interesting then sitting at jumpgates and counting cargos. Have fun Whoopy PS. Don¦t ask me, I¦m a carebear ;-) I believe there is a life before death
loci	Posted - 2003.08.09 11:56:00 - [15] If you play this game just for kill thrills, you must have jam for brains. Eve is probably the buggiest/boring online game for it. Without roleplay, this game is nothing.
Janet Foster	Posted - 2003.08.09 12:11:00 - [16] It's called "cowardice". It's happening in neocron as well, everyone wants to "the bad guy" so they joined the Twilight Guardian faction (Which are Freedom Fighters, not criminals...but, eh, that's another discussion) which are hostile to most of the other factions. So you see everyone jumping to the same "side" so they can kill as many newbies, or whatever really, they want without any real reprisals....as everyone is also doing the same. Just wait though, soon all these Pirates will be complaining that there's no-one to fight against.
Singular	Posted - 2003.08.09 12:24:00 - [17] Yo Ho Ho and a bottle of rum, and all that. Im Yo Huckleberreh
DREAMWORKS	Posted - 2003.08.09 13:54:00 - [18] Just like there are pirates, once people start to realize that if everyone is pirate there is no competition. No competition = boring, therefor people will start to become bounty hunters. __________________________ http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2003.08.09 14:43:00 - [19] [Stavros wrote] Quote: I dont have time to do some huge post now, but suffice to say Jade is DEAD DEAD wrong. Requests to join m0o have gone up through the roof and not just from rampant noobs either. I think you missed the point of what I actually said; in brief ... that yet, while pirates may indeed be high profile and dangerous ... they now get their kicks in 0.0 space more often than not. The incidence of newbie destruction in "safe" space seems to have gone down since the sec rules created clear distinction between legal and illegal territory. Quote: In the last week alone we have had 9 battleship equiped players request to join as well as numerous cruiser users and the usual bunch of nubs still in frigates. So what exactly? Are you using these guys to invade the empire territories and blockade high sec Caldari gates again? Quote: And jade you are REALLY REALLY wrong, perhaps you should stop commenting on things about which you CLEARLY have no clue. Whatever ... you keep doing the pantomime pirate impressions in the galactic summit and I'll keep saying what I feel like saying wherever I feel like saying it, fair deal? Quote: For example if more people are not turning to piracy how is it that m0o/sin, two supposed pirate corps could take on and win the combined fleets of the fountain alliance? In 0.0 space perchance ? I thought so. Love and peace JF Public Forum
Eurydike	Posted - 2003.08.09 15:01:00 - [20] Edited by: Eurydike on 09/08/2003 15:01:21 Quote: Jade said: In fact, Eve as a whole today is much less prone to mad piratical endeavours than in the early period after release, because now the more organised pirate clans and organisations have claimed 0.0 territories to base themselves from. Is that a reference to the Venal Alliance? ;) Jade is right, I seldomly run across pirates, either, and if, they seem to be afk-gate camping, and you can easily get away, though there are regions that are more hassled by them, but that's in 0.0 space. What I find more disturbing is that 90% of all pirates seem to be clones of a very old clichÚd persiflage... how boring. -------------------------------------- Sarela "Eurydike" Taris Vote Stavros for Kojak's brother.
SuicideBob	Posted - 2003.08.09 15:25:00 - [21] Arrrrrgggggg..... We needs more pirates. Pirates keeps them subscribers from staying too long. Arrrrrgggg.... Arrrrrgggg...... Steal and Kill. That's the pirate motto! Break out the skull and crossbones! Rob yer neighbors today! Why should he keep all them things he's worked for? Ye be stronger. Blast his boat and take his stuff! If he don't like it, let him quit! Argggg... Matey. Yo, ho, ho. Subscribers gotta go! Take their stuff And lay them low! Arrrrrrggggg....Arrrrrggggg... More pirates. We needs MORE pirates.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2003.08.09 15:46:00 - [22] [Eurydike cleverly enquired] Quote: Is that a reference to the Venal Alliance? ;) Yes indeed, I think it is important for an alliance of marginals and illegals to have a base of operations and some territorial aspirations as a longer term goal. Having Venal means there is a dangerous player-led principality out there to plot with and against ... its a red-rag to psychotic lunatics like Stavros and his crowd (do come back chaps it was so amusing last time) it gives a target for comeback and revenge plans for those unfortunate traders who get robbed (or destroyed) ... and beyond that who knows? Maybe oneday it will evolve into a proto-state and enter the galactic community as some kind of spaceage barbary coast confederation or free isle of libertaria. Who knows? But I think it is interesting to have a political agenda beyond mere mayhem and player on player carnage. Quote: "... I seldomly run across pirates, either, and if, they seem to be afk-gate camping, and you can easily get away, though there are regions that are more hassled by them, but that's in 0.0 space." Indeed, and thats the crux of my response to the chap in this thread ... its not really the numbers (I imagine there will always be l33tspeak mOo wannnabes) but about the impact on the average "law-abiding" character. Once it didn't matter where you were (if mOo wanted to camp a highsec system and drop a can barrage you were dead) ... now you need to actually be taking a considered risk to be placed at the most danger. Quote: What I find more disturbing is that 90% of all pirates seem to be clones of a very old clichÚd personage ... how boring. I tend to agree, though in my day-to-day playing I think I meet more interesting pirates than the average breed. It is really not so difficult to think of scifi staples to represent in the paradigm of eve ... but i think the point is that many pvp freaks who hate roleplay with a passion tend to adopt the pantomime-pirate fashion for misguided ironic effect. Sadly it is just rather sad, and doesn't really achieve anything beyond damaging the suspension of disbelief and lowering the quality of public interaction. Still these things happen ... Love and peace JF Public Forum
Setec	Posted - 2003.08.09 15:56:00 - [23] A very small percentage of the players are PC pirates. Most who try their hand at it decide it's not for them and give up. Those who stick with it do so for the fun, not the money, unless they're extremely lucky. Just look at the number of prominent pirate corporations--m0o/Sinister, Space Invaders, m3g4, and who else? Federation of Assassins is long gone, Spectral Armada is gone, The Gang has mostly merged into Space Invaders, I haven't heard anything out of Project Mayhem for weeks... most pirate corps have disappeared. I know of a handful of other active pirate corporations with 2-5 members, but that's it. I would hardly consider this to be a large portion of the Eve population. Quote: I dont have time to do some huge post now, but suffice to say Jade is DEAD DEAD wrong. Stavros is wrong about Jade being wrong. It is true that more people are becoming bored with simply mining and climbing the tech tree, but it's still a very small minority that turn to piracy. Also, it's not all just people who started out legal and got bored into piracy--many people started the game planning from the beginning to mine/trade their way to a battleship and then become pirates. Quote: For example if more people are not turning to piracy how is it that m0o/sin, two supposed pirate corps could take on and win the combined fleets of the fountain alliance? Those two things are totally unrelated. You're trying to say that because m0o/sin won a battle against the fountain alliance more people are becoming pirates? Are you drunk? No doubt you won because you have better coordination, more combat experience, and possibly better equipment--not because of a rise in the number of people becoming pirates! Perhaps you should stop commenting on things about which you CLEARLY have no clue. Quote: I think bountyhunting must be more interesting then sitting at jumpgates and counting cargos. Much of our pirating activity is away from jumpgates. The other day we got about 18 mil in crokite in an op that took over 20 minutes, using 5 cruisers to jump 2 cruisers and 2 high-end battleships in a roid field and holding a megathron hostage, until we reached a payment plan which included a trade in a station in a different system in exchange for the megathron's freedom. All this took place just a few jumps away from the headquarters of their alliance of large battleship-producing corporations. If you think that's easy or boring, think again. :P ___________________________________________ Space Invaders website: http://www.si-corp.net
Capn Blood	Posted - 2003.08.09 16:07:00 - [24] It does seem that this game is degenerating into "Pirate Wars" Perhaps CCP feel that they need to give EVE a more racey image to get more people playing. I sometimes think this is why people complain about the market not working properly.....all the pirates are out in 0.0 space, they don't buy stuff from stations....they either buy straight from PCs or kill them or NPC pirates for loot. Yeah yeah yeah...I know..Pirating is a tough life....well it would be if any more than a few were actually pirating. Nuking people and podding them while in a BS and they are in a frigate or cruiser.....hmmmm...not really such a tough life. I'd like to see a list from corps that consider themselves to be pirate corps of how many members they have. I'm just nosey really and want to have some sort of idea of the percentage of people playing "pirates". Too many pirates and the market will suffer....maybe CCP will just pull the market out of the game and we'll be left with a pretty average space shooter ============================================== "Trust no man who says to you that 'The ends justify the means' or who says that 'We will do whatever it takes...'. These men have no honour, and are fit only to be politicians." The book of Rab Chapter 1, Verse 3. ==============================================
The Wretch	Posted - 2003.08.09 16:20:00 - [25] I think the poster is confusing pirates with those that just go around and kill ppl for fun. They are two totally different styles of game play. There are not a lot of true pirates in game. The Wretch Cyberdyne Systems CEO
Endyl	Posted - 2003.08.09 17:18:00 - [26] Who are you to judge the path that the other choose for his life ? Are you god ? Are you the voice of justice ? No. You are none of them. I read in your soul that your place, is, just like mine, to act the best as you can and wait to be judged yourself at the end of the road. So watch your own destiny, and be proud of what you became, but, don't try to be the judge yourself, or you will be doomed.
Whoopy	Posted - 2003.08.09 17:46:00 - [27] Hey Setec, whats wrong with my statement ? Havn¦t talked about pirating, have I ? I¦ve talked about JG camping and its in game, you should have heard about ;-). In that case may sentence isn¦t that wrong. And you may talk about beeing a great pirate, most pirates in this game are looking for easy kills and talk about having more fun then npc killing. I believe there is a life before death
Caillech	Posted - 2003.08.09 18:16:00 - [28] its a pretty simple answer to why so many players turn to piracy and here it is: there comes a certain point when you can't mine or farm npc pirates and whatever anymore. so that only leaves player piracy.. one simple solution to this problem is to include more content (even tho i'm a firm beliver of fixing bugs and balancing before adding more content) -------- Caillech Director of Sexual Healing 2003.08.22 16:18:53 ----- Your 1200mm Artillery Cannon I perfectly strikes Small Secure Container, wrecking for 1102.9 damage
Stavros	Posted - 2003.08.09 20:05:00 - [29] noobs and opinions = a TRULY dangerous combination. there are bout 2 posters in this thread who are actually qualified in terms of in game knowledge to comment on this topic, the rest of the idiots are just speculating wildly based on their own guesswork.. YOU GO GUYS! -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Eurydike	Posted - 2003.08.09 20:10:00 - [30] Edited by: Eurydike on 09/08/2003 20:12:22 Thanks for the compliment, Stavros, you made my life SO much better! lol Edited, because I indeed managed to get typos into THAT sentence... -------------------------------------- Sarela "Eurydike" Taris Vote Stavros for Kojak's brother.
Indesin	Posted - 2003.08.09 21:48:00 - [31] It becase we like fightar stile. We are fightar, we not roid lickar. Wehn we go out station, we go out fightar stile. You got beamar on ship. Not that my beamar now. Becase I can. Becase I am fightar. I fight you fihgtar stile. You run way becase I am fightar, but you roid lickar. I do'nt like roid lickar. I like the fightar stile. But we be frends. I am yor frend. I just like kill frends, becase it fun like fightar stile. I do'nt leave game fast. Becase it fun. I kill yuo, fun time it is for me, but sad for yuo. It becase I am fightar.
qiqi	Posted - 2003.08.09 22:37:00 - [32] There are 2 types of griefer. 1st one is the weakling, the bullied, the person who is shat on by the rest of society but is generally a nice person to know, they just want to get their frustration out and be the ****ter for a change. The 2nd is the ugly person, shunned by society for their looks. This person isnt nice to know, they are angry, hateful, loners and usually unemployed. They are superb gamers due to spending most of their time locked up in their bedroom playing games. They often live in that safe place called denial, where they convince themselves they are popular due to the response they get by spamming forums/irc. They grief because they hate, they hate people. griefing isnt pirating, pirating isnt griefing.
Whoopy	Posted - 2003.08.10 08:48:00 - [33] Quote: noobs and opinions = a TRULY dangerous combination. there are bout 2 posters in this thread who are actually qualified in terms of in game knowledge to comment on this topic, the rest of the idiots are just speculating wildly based on their own guesswork.. YOU GO GUYS! I hope you don¦t count Stavros as one of them I believe there is a life before death
Stavros	Posted - 2003.08.10 08:50:00 - [34] greifer is such a harsh term, i prefer the term e-thug :) just j/kin btw -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Amacor	Posted - 2003.08.10 09:27:00 - [35] Sorry i'm dragging this up... "EVE is the modern day ELITE. Except it is better in almost every way." Nothing can bee Original Elite for ultimate playabilty... graphics yes... Elite 4 is coming, with MMORPG mode, check it out @ http://www.eliteclub.com/ I'm hoping i actualy get to play eve, before this comes out... :)
Ilyana	Posted - 2003.08.10 09:40:00 - [36] Well, one thing is for certain, Stavros can be an asshat at times (as he used to phrase others on IRC all the time ) but he's spot-on 99% of the time. I enjoy reading ur posts, Stav. I have no interest in a battleship at all, so I hit that exact point after obtaining a cruiser. Didn't play much after that, didn't pirate either, and am really close to just packing my bags. My stuff goes to the most original 'can I have your stuff' rewrite.
Intruders	Posted - 2003.08.10 11:35:00 - [37] Edited by: Intruders on 10/08/2003 11:37:30 Quote: Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction Once it didn't matter where you were (if mOo wanted to camp a highsec system and drop a can barrage you were dead) ... now you need to actually be taking a considered risk to be placed at the most danger. Uhh ohh..err. does this include drone horrible lag and mass convo requests from pirates against he poor noob vessel? Why do you S.I.(head of Venal alliance) and rest of pirate slaves people try to present yourself better that M0o when its clear that you aint. Was I reffering to S.I. while commenting on your posst jade? Sorry it might be because you seem to be passing S.I. blockades in Amarr unscathed...each time..with your shuttle..you dont even have to worry about "splash" damage. Every man lives..but not every man dies! My sig sux
Kalar Vrask	Posted - 2003.08.10 11:57:00 - [38] Quote: Who are you to judge the path that the other choose for his life ? Are you god ? Are you the voice of justice ? No. You are none of them. I read in your soul that your place, is, just like mine, to act the best as you can and wait to be judged yourself at the end of the road. So watch your own destiny, and be proud of what you became, but, don't try to be the judge yourself, or you will be doomed. Been on the Blue Pills again, Endyl?
Molly	Posted - 2003.08.10 13:53:00 - [39] Some carebears podded me twice. That's why I pod back now. --- "Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so? Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor? Molly > lol Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships"

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