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Mole Guy
Xoth Inc
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Posted - 2013.06.15 02:28:00 -
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i started this as a 2ndary role for marauders, but it developed into this after i read danika's post.
after thinking about it, this could be a new role of a command ship / hac style bc.
purpose: to jump with the cap ships and provide escort.
no links (this is a combat ship)
4 weapons @100% bonus (like marauders)
7.5% tracking bonus per level
10% bonus to gun range per lev (optimal or fall off as dictated by race but mostly for close range)
command ship tank (as we have now, i dont know what the future holds but these ships are tanky enough for this role)
reduction in cyno cycle time to 5 minutes (as per reconn)
reduction in cyno fuel as per recon
carrier jump drive range
lower cap needed for jump (so it can fight on the other end)
higher fuel cost to justify the lack of cap drain (within reason its only a bc))
again, the purpose is to jump with the fleet and provide protection against tackle. the fleet moves and requires escorts, but we only have cap ships that can jump or black ops. where is the escort there?
would require bc V, jump drive V, jump cal IV, JFC IV, all the command ships skills except leadership.
its a little more powerful than an astarte now because of the amount of weapons, but it doesnt get a damage bonus so power is kept in check. it gets tracking for smaller frigates, but the actual dps needed against hics would be lacking so
it has checks and balances...
it would prolly be 300m-350m.
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Mole Guy
Xoth Inc
Unclaimed.
171
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Posted - 2013.06.16 02:48:00 -
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wow, no one has anything good or bad to say?
gives new meaning to "riding shotgun"
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2013.06.16 03:11:00 -
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Since you asked nicely...
- Unless you make cynos generators only able to be fitted to this ship... noob ships, frigates, and overtanked Tech 1 cruisers will be preferred due to their cheapness (and disposability).
- The DEVs are trying to dig Command ships out of the "hole" they are in... this won't help.
- I've always wanted an overtanked gank Brutix. It totally wouldn't make battleships less desirable (especially with their new price tags).
- It makes power projection worse. There should be efforts to discourage dozens of carriers from being dropped on people's heads from the other side of the map and make logistics harder.
- Extra fuel costs for farther jump range isn't a concern. Ice prices have been dropping as of late. And large alliances with tens of billions of ISK in their wallets won't care about an extra hundred thousand ISK cost per carrier jump (especially if it means less jumps made overall).
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Mole Guy
Xoth Inc
Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.06.16 03:15:00 -
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the purpose isnt to "only light cynos". the purpose of this ship is to fly with the fleet. to jump with the fleet and help defend it when tackled.
again, they would have less dps than a navy brutix or astarte (since you brhought up this bc).
they would just be able to hit smaller, faster targets and get the fleet moving again. once the fleet clears out, they jump the the cyno beacon.
if fleets are moving across the map, these guys go with them. |
Grandma Squirel
Squirel Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.06.16 04:21:00 -
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Hot drops, this would seriously compete with BLOPS when not operating under a cyno jammer. Blops have good damage, but generally weak tanks, and cost 1b+ as fitted. This will have a much stronger tank, and pretty good dps, especially against tackle, likely for a lot less then a BLOPS battleship. Would also make an exceptional hotdrop bait/tackle due to the tackle bonus and reduced cyno duration. With all the bonuses, it seems to just asking for people to come up with other ways to use it that are way over powered.
This would make a solid choice as a slowcat drone assign, but other then that, in what circumstance would this be superior to bringing a slowcat in its place, other then cost, and I guess locking speed? Not really seeing it. |
Mole Guy
Xoth Inc
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Posted - 2013.06.16 16:07:00 -
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there are tons of perversions of ships.
battle rorqual for one
fleets of mining frigs roaming null sec used in pvp due to fast lock, GTFO ability and warp core bonus
bait skiffs
hellcats
dinercats
any amarr ship with artillery
after thinking about it last night, it doesnt need t2 resists. all it needs is to be mobile and have great tracking.
so standard ship resistance will due.
us smaller groups do not have massive amounts of people who can be waitin at every jump point to defend the carriers or dreads. thats why this lil baby needs to come into play. |
PavlikX
You are in da lock
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Posted - 2013.06.17 07:19:00 -
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Single question - what for 100% damage bonus needed? Probably 6-7 turrets is enough? |
Mole Guy
Xoth Inc
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Posted - 2013.06.17 07:22:00 -
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PavlikX wrote:Single question - what for 100% damage bonus needed? Probably 6-7 turrets is enough?
agreed, i like "escort ship" |
PavlikX
You are in da lock
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Posted - 2013.06.17 07:43:00 -
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First time it was my mistake, later i've noticed that you've made such sugestion allready, and posted another idea.  |
Mooer
Xoth Inc
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Posted - 2013.06.19 21:35:00 -
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Mole Guy wrote:there are tons of perversions of ships.
battle rorqual for one
fleets of mining frigs roaming null sec used in pvp due to fast lock, GTFO ability and warp core bonus
bait skiffs
hellcats
dinercats
any amarr ship with artillery
after thinking about it last night, it doesnt need t2 resists. all it needs is to be mobile and have great tracking.
so standard ship resistance will due.
us smaller groups do not have massive amounts of people who can be waitin at every jump point to defend the carriers or dreads. thats why this lil baby needs to come into play.
this |
PinkKnife
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2013.06.19 22:37:00 -
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Mooer wrote:Mole Guy wrote:there are tons of perversions of ships.
battle rorqual for one
fleets of mining frigs roaming null sec used in pvp due to fast lock, GTFO ability and warp core bonus
bait skiffs
hellcats
dinercats
any amarr ship with artillery
after thinking about it last night, it doesnt need t2 resists. all it needs is to be mobile and have great tracking.
so standard ship resistance will due.
us smaller groups do not have massive amounts of people who can be waitin at every jump point to defend the carriers or dreads. thats why this lil baby needs to come into play. this
Except it will be exploited by the huge alliances who do, to field giant supported cap fleets at any chance they get. Who needs gates for your support fleet anymore, or jump/titan bridges when you can just carry your protection with you.
The idea being that capital ships should be vulnerable, not omnipotent godly tanking dps logi machines that they are now. This, only makes carrier spam more attractive. |
Mole Guy
Xoth Inc
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Posted - 2013.06.19 22:41:00 -
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dont blame this idea on carrier hang ups now.
if carrier are too powerful, then nerf em.
but this is a kewl idea. its only a bc, so it isnt TOO powerful. a couple bombs would wax a fleet of them. |
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