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Soul Reaver
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Posted - 2003.08.10 08:46:00 -
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Edited by: Soul Reaver on 10/08/2003 09:12:43
Edited by: Soul Reaver on 10/08/2003 09:11:35
Viceroy
You did indeed lose 4 cruisers didnt you :) However I am not sure it was due to BUGS as you state? If this is truly the case why did I recieve a friendly email from Matstema congratualting me and the Cult on a and I quote "great battle" This does not imply to me that any of you were suffering from poor game mechanics at the time! Perhaps he was unaware?
Both actions involved us warping to you at a gate where you were holding static positions. On both occasions I did not see other ships arriving although in the first attack I ended up at 4% (my lowest yet) So I was hmm preoccupied :) So yes I did indeed sustain heavy damage and I did in my jocular manner ask molly for a loan of 10 million for repairs to said ship! Soul is nothing if not jocular in the face of loss.
It gave me great satisfaction to see you as one of the casualtys for I find you to be boorish at best :) It also satisfys me greatly that in 3 actions by myself during the day. One in Y-4CFK where I was alone and faced 6 black Birds and a TTI Bship that had me webbed and warp jammed. I managed to survive. I wonder if you would fare so well or perhaps would petition bugs if you lost?
As for us being an innocent corp? We have killed many people who have crossed our masters. It is what we do. You are now on our list. And yes many have been total strangers to us although not innocent themselves :) In such justice is served.
Acuna is right and it was me that pleaded for weeks to re-open hostilitys upon TTI. My reaons are personal in nature. I gradualy won them around and recieved a very very tentative we will think about it go ahead that I took full advcantage of whilst cult members were away on business :) I opened up on Roarke and chased him across 3 systems to seal the deal so to speak! I am unable to comment on Morkts actions in our operations. You will have to ask him!
I hope I have provided some clarity
Viceroy
You would be very suprised who paid my repair bill :)
SOul tips his hat to Mastema a worthy foe indeed!
PPS
Molly you are a floating castle :) 3 of us could not get you below 50% shileds in a sustained barrage. So I am not suprised Morkt could not on his own. However this loadout also prevents you being a viable threat to us so we dont bother with you normally and target more worthy foes!! What purpose do you serve on the battle field?
See Mastemas email here.
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Be you a Pirate or a Simple Alt creeper! Sooner or later you'll dance with Soul Reaver and His Amazing Underpants
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Indigo Seqi
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Posted - 2003.08.10 09:26:00 -
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Regarding the destruction of two of our ships, including my own:
Both were destroyed by *Morkt* Drak when he was *camping* the EWOK gate in EC-P8R. When jumping into EC-P8R from Torrinos to save our other pilot being *attacked* by Morkt Drak I ended up right at the EWOK gate for some reason. Morkt jammed my engines quickly, so I proceeded to jam his targetlock. However, the activation of those modules CTD'd me and when I came back I was back in Venal at my home station.
*Morkt* sent me an EVEmail, wondering if I CTD'd. And ofcourse I replied *yes*.
End of story.
As you can see, two of those ships were destroyed by Morkt before CoC was even near the system. A hostile Morkt, that attacked pretty much anyone at that gate he doesn't take a liking to.
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Mikka MacKern
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Posted - 2003.08.10 12:36:00 -
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lolol
The sheer level of bull**** emanating from SI and TTi is incredible.
SI are pirates. You kill other people for gain. Nobody needs any other reason to fire on you.
It would not matter if "Hot Sauce" had been camping the gate (it wasnt) or had initiated aggressive acts (it didn't) you are legitimate targets anywhere and everywhere.
You are pirates.
You can NOT calim the rights of civlised Empire citizens. You have no rights.
You can NOT claim to be "innocent" bystanders -You're pirates.
This whole "TTi rushing to aid their friends "wrongfully attacked" is so much **** its incredible... and apart from some in SI and TTi I don't see anybody swallowing it.
Carry on regardless though.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.08.10 12:41:00 -
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Yes we lost 3 ships due to bugs, the only person that lost his ship in that fight fair and square was me, and i already said that.
All other pilots could have escaped easy, but couldnt due to various bugs. At the gate one of our pilots CTDed due to a bugged module, and our other 2 pilots werent even AT the gate, they got shot down because they jumped right into the middle of hostile forces and were jammed and disrupted before they could react.
Yes, it was a fair fight, we could have lost 1 less ship if not for the bug, but we probably would have retreated anyway. Its the ship loss that i blame the bug for, not the loss of the fight.
And after all its just a game, so be cool 
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.08.10 12:43:00 -
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Oh yeah and btw, the innocent bystander had nothing to do with Venal or SI he was just passing by. I cant recall his name, but he was shot down my morkt.
And yes, we do have rights, i can enter empire space as i wish, and i have a positive security rating with concord :)
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Mikka MacKern
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Posted - 2003.08.10 12:48:00 -
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Stop bleating Viceroy.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.08.10 12:51:00 -
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Hugs and kisses for you Mikka! <3 
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.08.10 12:53:00 -
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She came to flame here. We need some flame reistant underwear.
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
Mikka MacKern
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Posted - 2003.08.10 13:34:00 -
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the innocent bystander had nothing to do with Venal or SI he was just passing by
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When jumping into EC-P8R from Torrinos to save our other pilot being *attacked* by Morkt Drak
Viceroy - tell your fellow sheep to use the same story as you if you're going to lie.
You really are a bunch of amateurs and the sheer level of whining becuase you got pwned is incredible.
Si lost two ships who foolishly attacked "Hot Sauce", Molly came to help and got jammed and rendered impotent (The only reason she couldnt shoot "Hot Sauce" herself), she called for TTi backup and they came , en-mass, to hunt a ship that had been defending itself againt PIRATES engaged in piracy.
The significance is in TTi abandoning their last shred of "innocence". Actions and whines from SI, and their cronies, are just background smells trying to throw people off the scent of TTi coruption.
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.08.10 13:54:00 -
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Morkt has been on the TTI KOS list ever since he spawned the hate campaign against us.
What i found interesting is how you have twisted the act of defending ourselves and attacking our enimies on here. So what will be next? Slandering us as butcherers for defending our mining operations against the guritas.
You disgust me, and all you gullabe idiots that fall exactly into place behind him.
-Tehel
*Opinion of my own, any idiot using my comment to attack TTI can go appreciate what individualisim.
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.08.10 14:08:00 -
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"Si lost two ships who foolishly attacked "Hot Sauce", Molly came to help and got jammed and rendered impotent..."
Lol, I even din't know he shot 2 SI ships until I've read this in this forum.
You are so funny, I would never ever attack a 8 med slot EW Scorpion ship with a Megathron equipped for NPC hunting.
I'd also never ever attack a 6 med slot EW Blackbird ship with a cruiser equipped for NPC hunting.
If the pilot is skilled and he has the right equipment, then it is a death sentence.
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.08.10 14:24:00 -
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"j0sephine, you are right with the logic, but I think it is a bit more complex.
Here is a lesson for you: While attacking someone, allies might help the person being attacked.
Another lesson for you: ****ing someone off at every occasion and using them as targets for propaganda at the OOC forums will not get you on someone's friendlist.
Third lesson for you: Combine the first two lessons.
If you make bad publicity about a large corp (TTI), furthermore about a regional alliance (Venal) and attack someone from the alliance (SI) and then start complaining about what happened then, then it's just illogical."
'Tis unfortunately even a bit more complex than that, methinks. =) (in theory anyway, as long as i can accept your take on the events and no extra details to the contrary pop up, i'm inclined to agree in this particular case)
Anyway, please consider an addendum to our lil' logic lessons?.. Namely.. as long as someone comes to help a person who's perceived as a criminal, it's quite illogical then for that person not to expect being branded as the criminal's sidekick. Simple as that, the 'right' or 'wrong' of such position being left to personal evaluation.
"Morkt has been on the TTI KOS list ever since he spawned the hate campaign against us.""
Sweee-et. :s
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.08.10 14:29:00 -
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Help a criminal?
I did not need any help with him.
I knew TTI dislikes him, that's why I passed his location to TTI. That's all.
So a criminal helped TTI, which makes me a rather good person again :P.
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.08.10 14:41:00 -
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Haha, hugs and kisses again Mikka, seems you only want to rant and scream, no point in arguing with you. <3 <3 
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Mikka MacKern
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Posted - 2003.08.10 14:46:00 -
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Morkt has been on the TTI KOS list ever since he spawned the hate campaign against us.
Ah the desperate acts of the desperate!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.08.10 16:10:00 -
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May I ask a personal but pertinent question Mikka?
Who are you exactly? I have been looking back through comms logs of the forum and you seem a relatively recent addition.
You are obviously associated with the Defense Review (as a guest writer if nothing else) ... but would you be prepared to tell us a little about yourself and your interests and associations?
It is reasonable surely for a journalist to declare one's interests?
Love and peace
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.08.10 16:25:00 -
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Edited by: Tehel Necrona on 10/08/2003 16:33:59
Yes i am quite desperate. I'm also at work and bored, so please continue to keep me entertained.
-Necro
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Mikka MacKern
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Posted - 2003.08.10 17:16:00 -
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May I ask a personal but pertinent question Mikka?
Who are you exactly? I have been looking back through comms logs of the forum and you seem a relatively recent addition.
You are obviously associated with the Defense Review (as a guest writer if nothing else) ... but would you be prepared to tell us a little about yourself and your interests and associations?
It is reasonable surely for a journalist to declare one's interests?
Love and peace
I run the "shop" at Aikantoh, rather I did, looks like I'm out of a job now that that's closing also.
Ask around the customers i guess, or go back to the early Playboy calenders.
Tehel - your desperation may also be cured by checking over the early Playboy calenders. 
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.08.10 17:43:00 -
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That gave me a chuckle, please go on :)
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Mikka MacKern
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Posted - 2003.08.10 18:13:00 -
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I refuse to admit that I am also chuckling.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.08.10 20:07:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 10/08/2003 20:08:23
"Help a criminal?
I did not need any help with him.
I knew TTI dislikes him, that's why I passed his location to TTI. That's all.
... So --in the light of Mr.Necrona's comment on the subject-- what TTi originally claimed to be 'natural act of support for an ally in need yaddayaddayadda', now turns out to be nothing but petty act of vengeance for public critique, performed on a journalist for his exercise of rights of free press?.. :s
"So a criminal helped TTI, which makes me a rather good person again :P."
I don't think it was ever about if the member of SI can be considered 'good person'... =) ('though purely ftr, am personally tempted to agree with this... ;s)
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Indigo Seqi
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Posted - 2003.08.10 21:44:00 -
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No my dear Mikka, we jumped into ec-p8r and the jumpgate dropped us right at hot sauces feet. Then our case was already lost. I wasn't mad about it at all, since it wasnt Morkts fault the jumpgate fed him a free pirate for dinner :)
TTi doesn't help us when we're pirating, correct. TTi probably came because I dropped a line in the Venal channel like "bleh morkt whooped my blackbird in ecp8r", without any intent of getting help. Then I logged out and later on again, with the the next thing I saw being a bunch of Bships in local hunting morkt and CoC.
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.08.11 02:08:00 -
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Edited by: Tehel Necrona on 11/08/2003 02:15:09
Morkt arena is on his little weekly report and the the summit, mine is out there. Who dictates where we fight?
Secondly i've explained myself to you on previous threads, several times. So your blatantly stirring this mate.
-Necro
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Soul Reaver
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Posted - 2003.08.11 12:24:00 -
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So a large portion so it seems at first glance are openly hostile towards TTI? Just do what we did and declare war on them! Activly seek them out :) be brave.
Be you a Pirate or a Simple Alt creeper! Sooner or later you'll dance with Soul Reaver and His Amazing Underpants
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.08.11 14:46:00 -
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This also means we will defend Venal Alliance ships when they come under attack, either inside or outside of Venal.
We still maintain that if any Venal Alliance corporations take part in pirate activities outside of Venal space, TTI will not take part in these activities. TTI does not attack innocent ships for the purposes of theft or destruction. (End of statement)
"...but if you are an innocent ship who manages by some miracle to defend yourself well against these pirates and the pirates whine to us about it, see paragraph 1, above."
Raise your hand if you're a) not in the VA, b) not in TTI, c) fooled at all by this hooey?
But let's humour them. Please, explain to me precisely and in excruciating detail how you reconcile these two conflicting statements if, say, a small independent corp engages a number of SI ships who are blockading a gate.
SI destroys a few SmallCorp ships at the blockade.
SmallCorp manages to gather a small force and rushes the blockade. Due to the Escape key on all SI keyboards spontaneously breaking at once, none of them can log off, and in their confusion they are scrambled before they can warp out.
SI calls on TTI for assistance.
Do you defend your alliance members' ships? Or do you not partake in piracy?
Remember, this is a distress call from an ally. You do not have time to investigate who attacked whom and why. Your allies report they are under attack. Do you assist without question?
What measures do you take to ensure that you aren't being called to "assist in piracy?"
Enjoy. I don't expect you to answer this question with anything remotely resembling clarity; i just enjoy seeing how well you people spin bull****.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.08.11 16:14:00 -
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[Harlequin wrote]
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Enjoy. I don't expect you to answer this question with anything remotely resembling clarity; i just enjoy seeing how well you people spin bull****.
You are right monsieur Harlequin ... only the truth will suffice. The Venal Alliance is a military pact between member corporations and individual owner captains. Privateering is a major source of revenue for the free captains of Venal. As military alliance partners the member corps of Venal will cooporate and provide full military support for allied ships and captains.
And that really is all that needs to be said.
Love and peace (in the ruins)
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Macumba
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Posted - 2003.08.11 17:23:00 -
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Cool. So should Space Invaders bite off more than they can chew outside of Venal they can call on TTI or any other Venal members for support.
Damn, that didn't take too long to say.
Seriously Jade, I hope they're not paying you by the word. Thats going to be one hefty bill.
Your press release could of been summed up in one paragraph, probably even one line.
My consultancy services for speech writing are available on request. That way you can be economical on words as well as the truth.
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.08.11 20:15:00 -
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Bunch of whiners I see here.
TTI wanted Mortk dead, I passed the information with his location.
Is this so hard to understand?
Further theoretical bull**** is okay, but keep it for you, nobody wants to read this crap.
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.08.11 21:13:00 -
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We do take into account sometimes issues such as innocents that simply wanted to hit back at pirates. As such we simply have to inform SI that we cannot assist, as essentially we'd be aiding them in pirating, however should a large force appear south of venal, and attack venal members - how would you expect us to act?
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.08.11 22:15:00 -
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Edited by: Ulstan on 11/08/2003 22:20:22
"Cool. So should Space Invaders bite off more than they can chew outside of Venal they can call on TTI or any other Venal members for support."
Sigh. You still don't get it :)
If SI is engaged in fighting declared enemies of the Venal Alliance, TTi is fully within their rights to come help. And so often they do.
If we are off pirating, and run into trouble, we dont' ask for TTi backup and they don't offer it. You are welcome to try to find an instance where SI was pirating innocent traders or whatever, and TTI came and helped us out.
In this case, both Cult of Cthulu and Morkt are avowed enemies of TTi (and perhaps of the Venal alliance in general) so there is not even a question of piracy. Given that Cult is at war with both us and TTi, we are at liberty to attack them wherever they may be, inside Venal, outside Venal, with TTi, without TTi, etc.
It's not piracy to prosecute a corp war, so your whole post is pretty much pointless.
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