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Mikka MacKern
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Posted - 2003.08.09 12:52:00 -
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(Repeating TTi broadcast)
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We do not "protect" any alleged criminal corporations. We protect the rights of the Venal alliance in it's sovereign space. Got a problem with a VA member corp? Handle it outside of Venal space to your hearts content. If you bring your conflict into Venal to persue your issues, then we have to get involved. Not because we "protect" these alleged criminals, but because we are defending our home.
TTi were busy defending their "home" last night a mere single jump outside of Lonetrek (EC-P8R) in what was formerly known as Pure-Blind.
A Scorpion-class battleship, thought to be the missing BBBB "Hot Sauce", engaged and destroyed two blackbird cruisers belonging to the pirate corporation "Space Invaders".
Minutes later a Space Invader Megathron battleship combined with a fleet of around seven TTi ships, including at least two battleships, to try to snare and capture "Hot Sauce".
The attempts failed but the TTi ships were recorded opening hostitilties on the BBBB ship.
Let me repeat: TTi battleships, rushing to the aid of Space Invaders, in Pure Blind , and opening fire on BBBB shipping.
This was no accident!
Local intercepts show active communication between the SI and TTi ships which reulted in a combined "fleet" of TTi and SI ships hunting "Hot Sauce" through the PC system...
Heading into that area were also two battleships belonging to the independent "Cult of Cthulu" Corporation. On hearing the activity on local gal-net they rushed to the scene to investigate...
reports of what followed are sketchy at best...
It appears that the two Cult ships located "Hot Sauce" and escorted it out of the system smashing their way through a blockading Space Invaders fleet, destroying another two cruisers and badly damaging the Megathron Batttleshipp of pilot "Mastema".
In what was a frantic battle against time (Space Invaders were calling openly for TTi assistance the entire time) the Cult ships caused so much general damage that SI forces panicked and began firing on their own ships!
"Hot Sauce" and Cult ships eventually left the area heading for Torrinos in Lonetrek whilst various scattered and beaten Space Invaders ships made their way back to Venal after foolishly calling for further TTi help on an open channel.
BBBB sources attempted to contact "Hot Sauce" and its pilot but failed to do so. Cult members when questioned were hesitant about answering who the pilot of "Hot Sauce" was.
Local rumours however suggest that Annuis Drak (Amarrian ex-wife of Morkt Drak) is captaining the ship which was last seen heading, on its own, out to Venal space.
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The offshoot of these battles is clear:
TTi are openly supporting pirate corporations no matter where.
TTi are actively engaged in piracy on the very edge of Empire Space.
There can be no mistaking the truth here and all previous TTi claims of "only supporting the alliance in Venal" are shown clearly and irrevocably to be the lies we have come to expect from them.
Later sweeps of the area suggest the following pirates were killed or had their ships destroyed:
Inigo Seqi:
Yatar Indoki: (Operating openly with SI forces)
Viceroy:
Midslots:
Ships Damaged:
Megathron Battleship piloted by "Mastema" fled the gate-battle early on with heavy armour and structural damage.
The "Cult of Cthulu" Armageddon-class Battleship, of pilot Falhofnir, was also slightly damaged.... dockyard repair teams at Torrinos were quoted as saying "Erm.. yeah 57isk for a can if zero-g spray paint... You sure that's weapons damage and not a key-scratch?"
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Prophet Arames
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Posted - 2003.08.09 16:08:00 -
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I notice ms. mackern that you forgot to include the next line of the quotation you cited...
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From Byterider, a TTI member - We do not "protect" any alleged criminal corporations. We protect the rights of the Venal alliance in it's sovereign space. Got a problem with a VA member corp? Handle it outside of Venal space to your hearts content. If you bring your conflict into Venal to persue your issues, then we have to get involved. Not because we "protect" these alleged criminals, but because we are defending our home.
Once more, this was my personal view and not an official TTI statement of any kind.
While I have not yet researched TTI's side of this highly inflammatory story, you yourself state that this "Hot Sauce" instigated the attacks on the SI ships and destroyed at least two of the ships... TTI ships traveling the shipping lanes between Empire Space and Venal would certainly defend its Venal Allies if they are attacked on these routes, and if traveling together with Venal Alliance ships TTI would defend themselves against attack by any ship(s).
OOC - Like your name, Mikka. Rereading those Donaldson books right now...
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Knowledge is Power...
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.08.09 16:18:00 -
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"TTI ships traveling the shipping lanes between Empire Space and Venal would certainly defend its Venal Allies if they are attacked on these routes, and if traveling together with Venal Alliance ships TTI would defend themselves against attack by any ship(s)."
... Given the nature of Space Invaders' activities outside of Venal region, i think it'd be wiser to put the accent on "if" rather than "attacked". After all, one might argue engaging in combat after being subjected to a holdup is an act of self-defense rather than of aggression.
'though of course, if one gets caught up too deeply in the primitive "us vs them" paradigm, 'tis might make little if any difference...
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.09 16:25:00 -
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Why are TTI still trying to justify ther choice in setting up with pirates?
It's almost like they're embarrassed to be associated with their alliance members.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Mikka MacKern
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Posted - 2003.08.09 16:34:00 -
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I didn't say anything about who instigated the attack... merely that "Hot Sauce" engaged and destroyed two ships.
Tread carefully now, lest you trip.
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2003.08.09 16:39:00 -
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Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 09/08/2003 16:39:29
TTI, has gone rogue, everyone knows, that but TTI....
Defending our home, who has crowned TTI, the emperor seat in Venal...
If you want to, be upright and say, we at TTI want our own empire...
I advise everybody not to do bussiness with TTI, they laundry stollen goods from the poor sods that got caught by their pirat friends.
So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar.
****Minion Of VOTF****
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Prophet Arames
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Posted - 2003.08.09 17:09:00 -
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I am simply stating that the foundation of this post was made on the premise that Byterider's statement was official TTI policy, which was not the case. The following is an official statement from TTI:
TTI will defend Venal and the Venal Alliance. This means we will defend Venal (the location) at all times. This also means we will defend Venal Alliance ships when they come under attack, either inside or outside of Venal.
We still maintain that if any Venal Alliance corporations take part in pirate activities outside of Venal space, TTI will not take part in these activities. TTI does not attack innocent ships for the purposes of theft or destruction. (End of statement)
As has been described in other posts, this Hot Sauce was a ship stolen from the BBBB corporation, and may have been piloted by either morkt drak or annuis drak, who apparently have left BBBB after stealing from their station lockers. The events of last night still need to be sorted out by all parties involved, but it certainly was an attack on Venal Alliance ships that was responded to in force by TTI.
In other news from last night several TTI ships returned to the location of the Jovian encounter where they engaged m3g4 ships and destroyed two of them, including one piloted by Smoked.
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Knowledge is Power...
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IcemansMiner
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Posted - 2003.08.09 17:14:00 -
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The Cult are widley known for their prowess as tight nit fighting mercs in the pay of unknown corps. What is not so well know is Roark of TTI supplying 40 million of robotics to the Cult! Intrigue? A rumour?
The Cult are openly at war with TTI and space invaders both and to all reports have accounted for 10 ships of their foes to one of theirs!! TTI of course deny these losses which is understandable considering the Cult rarely enter battle with more than 2 or 3 ships being only 4 in number!!!!
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Falhofnir
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Posted - 2003.08.09 17:39:00 -
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alright prophet, so tti will answer with a fleet each time someone attacks a space invaders blockade outside of venal, claiming it's an attack on the venal alliance rather than admitting they're backing up pirates ?
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Derek
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Posted - 2003.08.09 17:57:00 -
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When TTI goes and attacks Cult of Cthulu or M3G4 corp we don't have to back it up with any justifications. We have been at war with those two corps since near start of release.
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Eurydike
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Posted - 2003.08.09 17:57:00 -
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It seems like TTi is really doing its best to hurt what's left of its reputation.
First the blueprint investment fraud and now this.
If TTi would at least stand up for its actions, but the way in which you are trying to come up with excuses every time really makes all just more damaging to you.
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Sarela "Eurydike" Taris
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Acuna Traos
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Posted - 2003.08.09 18:20:00 -
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If anyone is interested in how the war started, it was because we took out a PC ibis from a NPC corp doing some weapons testing in early release. The next day (or a few hrs later) said ibis pilot joined TTI and so they went to war with us.
Also said ibis pilot was attacking NPC convoys so we were merely protecting innocents.
Pleas for reason were generally ignored and we were attacked, doing damage to one of there ships but holding off from destroying any as we wished to resolve the situation, and not make it worse. More negotiation was ignored, so we attacked some TTI shipping cause we were fed up of the lack of communications. This got their attention and a fleet of 10+ Moas were sent against out 2 blackbirds, we retreated and proper negotiations started and a cease-fire was formed.
Much later a new member to our corp was saying how he hated TTI etc for various reasons and for many weeks we kept him from attacking TTI shipping, but with the whole Venal thing and all and being at war with the Space invaders we re-opened hostilities with TTI to shut him up :) .
Well at least thatĘs our side of it all.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.08.09 18:38:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 09/08/2003 18:39:28
"When TTI goes and attacks Cult of Cthulu or M3G4 corp we don't have to back it up with any justifications. We have been at war with those two corps since near start of release."
Perfectly understandable; now, can we please also get an official answer from TTi regarding much important matter at hand:
does TTi, as part of the Venal Alliance, intend to provide military support to any other corporation --member of VA-- which gets themselves entangled in combat by committing acts of piracy outside of Venal space?
... a simple 'yes' or 'no' will do just great, thank you.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.08.09 18:46:00 -
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The Space invaders lost 4 cruisers in this event, 3 of which were lost due to bugs, in which our pilots had no chance what so ever to respond to the threat. This has been petitioned and our point has been taken.
2 of these cruisers jumped into the system, right into the middle of hostile forces, and were below %50 armor before their screen loaded.
The other pilot lost his ship due to a CTD from a bugged module.
The last pilot was me, and i lost my ship due to a personal fetish for corpses. Just as i was picking up some corpses 30km from the gate, the 3 bships warped in, and i didnt have time to get back to the gate to jump :D
The "friendly fire" was not caused by panic, as when it happened there were no hostiles around. Molly the Maniac shot at me once because I was going to get the corpses and was to far from the gate :)
Other than that, The Cult of Cthulu sustained heavy damage to 2 of their bships (A scorpion class battleship is quoted saying "Molly please give me 10.5 million for my repair bill" on local :D), while our bships never fell below %50 armor, and those that did repaired their ships free of cost with our uber tech level 5 repair modules :P
And other than this, The Cult is not an innocent corporation, they are known well for killing people out side empire space, many who are total strangers to them.
Morkt too, was not there on a hold crusade against SI or TTI, he was actually there to kill people for fun, as he shot down a member of a npc corporation while we were in the system.
TTI did not come our "aid". TTI pilots were on a different mission, totally unrelated with the SI operations, but the hostile Cult of Cthulu and the raging maniac Morkt were on their way back to Venal, so we joined forces. What were we supposed to do?
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Eurydike
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Posted - 2003.08.09 18:48:00 -
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Quote:
Prophet Arames wrote:
TTI will defend Venal and the Venal Alliance. This means we will defend Venal (the location) at all times. This also means we will defend Venal Alliance ships when they come under attack, either inside or outside of Venal.
Does that answer your question?
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.08.09 19:07:00 -
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"Does that answer your question?"
Unfortunately, the way the original statement of Mr. Arames is worded leaves too much leeway to draw any solid conclusions from it, and avoids to cover entirely hypothethical situations where a member of Venal Alliance actually instigates combat situations... hence my request for (hopefully) definitive answer which cannot be later played down as 'misunderstanding of real intentions' or anything similar...
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.08.09 19:59:00 -
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yaaaaaaaar!
there be nothin worse than a pirate who aint got the balls to admit it! YAAAAAAAAAR!
i hate ye gutless scurvy ****zle bags! haaaaar
to davy jones locker with the lot of ye!
HAAAAAAR!
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Main
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Posted - 2003.08.09 20:31:00 -
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A few members of the stain alliance were laughing the other week after destroying 7 cruisers and damaging a typhoon the other week after they were ferociously attacked by the cowardly venal alliance.
Anyway, tti are a rogue corporation and they have stated that they will defend known pirates from peace loving players just trying to get through a pirate blockade.
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Prophet Arames
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Posted - 2003.08.09 21:33:00 -
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Quote:
"Does that answer your question?"
Unfortunately, the way the original statement of Mr. Arames is worded leaves too much leeway to draw any solid conclusions from it, and avoids to cover entirely hypothethical situations where a member of Venal Alliance actually instigates combat situations... hence my request for (hopefully) definitive answer which cannot be later played down as 'misunderstanding of real intentions' or anything similar...
Your answer explains the situation well, as was another comment talking about those "gray areas". I can go over 40 different scenarios here, but if I miss one and it later comes to pass someone will step forward and say that I "lied".
But to someone's point made earlier, TTI will not lend aid to a VA member engaging in a pirate activity such as blockading a trade route.
In the case of last night's engagement, we're talking about a pilot on the run from his own corporation and two pilots from a corp that TTI is currently at war with.
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alright prophet, so tti will answer with a fleet each time someone attacks a space invaders blockade outside of venal, claiming it's an attack on the venal alliance rather than admitting they're backing up pirates ? - Acuna Traos, CoC
Our fleet was passing through the area at the time on another mission. As stated above, the answer would be normally be no. But if the pilots in question are members of CoC, TTI would engage you as we are at war with your corporation.
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Gooren
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Posted - 2003.08.09 22:52:00 -
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Edited by: Gooren on 09/08/2003 22:52:32
Lets just say it how it is instead of dancing around the topic. TTi are pirates...like the rest of the Venal Alliance. The only problem is that most corps that come here to complain about them havent got the backbone to stand up to them and do something about it.
It really is quite sad.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.08.09 23:58:00 -
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"But to someone's point made earlier, TTI will not lend aid to a VA member engaging in a pirate activity such as blockading a trade route.
In the case of last night's engagement, we're talking about a pilot on the run from his own corporation and two pilots from a corp that TTI is currently at war with."
Mhmm... the problem with this statement is, while i can see how attacking pilots of company which TTi is at war with makes certain sense... it does however not justify by any means an attack on BBBB vessel which, according to the original report, took place prior to any activities of CoC.
The fact the BBBB pilot was 'on the run' is quite irrelevant here, and can be only viewed as an attempt to divert the discussion from issue at hand -- not only 'tis strictly internal matter of the company in question and not TTi, but further to the point i seriously doubt the TTi forces were even aware of this fact at the moment the combat took place?..
However, i sincerely hope 'tis was but a single accident, and in the future TTi will stand true to its declaration and "will not lend aid to a VA member engaging in a pirate activity such as blockading a trade route."
cheers, and out-
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.08.10 00:33:00 -
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The "BBBB Vessel" attacked an innocent bystander before TTI was even in the area.
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OverKill
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Posted - 2003.08.10 01:46:00 -
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Quote:
The "BBBB Vessel" attacked an innocent bystander before TTI was even in the area.
Your alliance has no innocent bystanders.
Correct me if I am wrong but don't you guys destroy ships that enter "your space".
As far as I can see, you were just welcomed to the OTHER side of the tracks.
Regards,
OK
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.08.10 01:57:00 -
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"The "BBBB Vessel" attacked an innocent bystander before TTI was even in the area."
The "innocent bystander" being whom, exactly?..
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.08.10 02:26:00 -
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OMG. You BBBB idiots need to stay at the truth.
Here is what really happened, paste from other reply from the Morkt leaves thread:
Morkt might leave, but the propaganda bull**** of BBBB stays.
Morkt attacked me yesterday in EC-P8R. It was very amusing, his Scorpion didn't do any damage to my Megathron, I was always on 100% shields but also target jammed.
TTI was passing by through EC-P8R and Torrinos and since Morkt attacked a member of the alliance and since he isn't that popular in TTI they chased him off.
Later on Morkt aided two CoC Battleships in a attack against a SI blockade and helped to destroy 2 SI cruisers. So he was working with a common enemy of the Venal Alliance. As far as I know he passed system in Pure Blind easily then.
Maybe he is disgusted at his role in the cheap attacks yesterday :-).
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
Molly
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Posted - 2003.08.10 02:35:00 -
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Btw it is really pathetic how some people are trying to make help among alliance members against COMMON enemies something wrong.
You really need some Logic 101 courses people.
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.08.10 03:54:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 10/08/2003 04:01:27
"Btw it is really pathetic how some people are trying to make help among alliance members against COMMON enemies something wrong.
You really need some Logic 101 courses people"
Indeed; here's lesson 1 of the basic logic course then: logic doesn't determine if something is 'right' or 'wrong'.
edit: BTW. Molly, can you add to your version of events just what you were doing when you got attacked?.. being the original poster's implication the fight wasn't really started by Morkt, and on the other hand having you being labelled as "innocent bystander" (which am sure you can recognize as being quite humourous on its own.. :s)
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Yoshokun
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Posted - 2003.08.10 03:55:00 -
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Welcome to the hypocricy, Molly. You get used to it. It does make great reading material for when you're bored and need a laugh though, eh? 
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2003.08.10 04:30:00 -
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Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 10/08/2003 04:31:54
So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar.
****Minion Of VOTF****
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.08.10 06:31:00 -
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Edited by: Molly on 10/08/2003 06:35:17
j0sephine, you are right with the logic, but I think it is a bit more complex.
Here is a lesson for you: While attacking someone, allies might help the person being attacked.
Another lesson for you: ****ing someone off at every occasion and using them as targets for propaganda at the OOC forums will not get you on someone's friendlist.
Third lesson for you: Combine the first two lessons.
If you make bad publicity about a large corp (TTI), furthermore about a regional alliance (Venal) and attack someone from the alliance (SI) and then start complaining about what happened then, then it's just illogical.
As for a more detailed description of what happened: I was passing by to a gate as he locked me, target jammed me and opened fired at me.
Since I could not fire back, I turned my boosters on, moved to the gate and waited there for reinforcements while Morkt started to shoot the Guristas around the gate while keeping me target jammed.
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
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