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king borg
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Posted - 2005.11.16 22:04:00 -
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we run as usual? rofl 
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juduzz
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Posted - 2005.11.16 22:07:00 -
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The event was a complete waste of time TBH 
...and mordus shooting on NORAD and them not being able to defend themselves is even worst.
Well thats my first event kinda hope its my last TBH
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Grimster
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Posted - 2005.11.16 22:09:00 -
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 Originally by: juduzz
The event was a complete waste of time TBH
...and mordus shooting on NORAD and them not being able to defend themselves is even worst.
Well thats my first event kinda hope its my last TBH
Signed.
btw Borg, we got a lot of fanboi's already, let's drop the *****ing and point fingers @ ISD
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Fred0
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Posted - 2005.11.16 22:11:00 -
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Edited by: Fred0 on 16/11/2005 22:11:45
Originally by: juduzz
...and mordus shooting on NORAD and them not being able to defend themselves is even worst.
And that's just wrong. They could shoot mordu's but not the others in the fleet. A couple of their pilots got triggerhappy and agressed us (rzr) which made them concordokkened. I believe the equivalent of an empire war was in place between mordu's and NORAD/IMP
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king borg
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Posted - 2005.11.16 22:11:00 -
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Edited by: king borg on 16/11/2005 22:11:13
Edited by: king borg on 16/11/2005 22:10:50
Originally by: Grimster
Originally by: juduzz
The event was a complete waste of time TBH
...and mordus shooting on NORAD and them not being able to defend themselves is even worst.
Well thats my first event kinda hope its my last TBH
Signed.
btw Borg, we got a lot of fanboi's already, let's drop the *****ing and point fingers @ ISD
rgr!
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2005.11.16 22:12:00 -
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As you have seen Oveur was there, from now on Aurora is allowed to use bigger ships and bigger rewards depending on the players involved in an event.
Before this Aurora had to be careful in what ships they used and what rewards were being dropped, from now on they are allowed to offer a real challenge towards high end players.
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HeadWar
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Posted - 2005.11.16 22:12:00 -
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Edited by: HeadWar on 16/11/2005 22:13:38
Originally by: R31D
MC got the real fight of the evening though - a spawn of NPC BS
You mean this? (There came even more of them after that, plus a Monolith. \o/)
(Un)fortunately, RaT warped in with a few battleships when we had just begun working on the NPCs, so we slugged it out with them, and then Oveur removed the NPCs. Good thing too, the buggers had me scrambled. 
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R31D
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Posted - 2005.11.16 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: HeadWar
Edited by: HeadWar on 16/11/2005 22:13:38
Originally by: R31D
MC got the real fight of the evening though - a spawn of NPC BS
You mean this? (There came even more of them after that, plus a Monolith. \o/)
(Un)fortunately, RaT warped in with a few battleships when we had just begun working on the NPCs, so we slugged it out with them, and then Oveur removed the NPCs. Good thing too, the buggers had me scrambled.
Yep, that. I warped out just as Oveur said 'Mordu fleet incoming' so could only go on reports in gangchat 
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Oveur
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Posted - 2005.11.16 22:34:00 -
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Yeah, like Eris says, we need something bigger for the player fleets. I was watching and trying to get some good logs for comparison to one of our RMR optimizations and it wasn't very much big-bada-boom happening.
The main thing I pinpointed was that the event actors are in battleships and I don't care what kind of modules you pack on 10 battleships, they just aren't going to do anything against any sizeable organized fleet of players.
So first step is give them bigger ships so at least they don't *pop* as fast as today. You'll see Dreads, Carriers and Titans from now on in events. That also pushes up the need for more of the pirate factions to get their "big ships" (you know, like sansha which don't use Amarr versions of ships like Mordu use Caldari).
I'm also looking into if I can't get NPC's to guard players, this way, we can create mixed fleets which doesn't require organization of 50 event actors. I know it's not the same as fighting an organized fleet, but hey, at least you have a mixed fleed controlled by people and not AI. I can see 4 actors, each in a Carrier, each with it's own escort.
Anyways, food for thought, and like Eris said, I've allowed stepping up the rewards. I think Molle had a problem with the Civilian Gatling Laser one of the actors dropped
Senior Producer
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.11.16 22:40:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 16/11/2005 22:41:56
"I was watching and trying to get some good logs for comparison to one of our RMR optimizations and it wasn't very much big-bada-boom happening."
Did the logs by chance manage to get some of possible lag sources, there? It took some of us good 5 mins or more to actually load PF-346 after jumping into it, and there was ~120'ish people in local total (i.e. ~60-70 in the system before we went in) and none of them on the gate we arrived through... ^^;;
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2005.11.16 22:40:00 -
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Mucho sexy eventage.
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StiZum Hilidii
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Posted - 2005.11.16 22:41:00 -
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im glad we didnt accept our invite by the sounds of it.
glad to see you have learnt something from it though oveur
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2005.11.16 22:43:00 -
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Next time don't have the actors dock and log, I didn't get to loot jew at all 
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.11.16 22:52:00 -
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Im done with events, no talking just gank them and get the loot
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Oveur
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Posted - 2005.11.16 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine
Edited by: j0sephine on 16/11/2005 22:41:56
"I was watching and trying to get some good logs for comparison to one of our RMR optimizations and it wasn't very much big-bada-boom happening."
Did the logs by chance manage to get some of possible lag sources, there? It took some of us good 5 mins or more to actually load PF-346 after jumping into it, and there was ~120'ish people in local total (i.e. ~60-70 in the system before we went in) and none of them on the gate we arrived through... ^^;;
Actually, yes it did. I found some weird cases where I was getting huge packets from the server. I'm pretty sure it's the effects system sending me all the stuff happening in the scene I'm entering and we are reducing that traffic in RMR but I'd like to see some comparisons. We're also doing some tests on Sisi with some of the new big ships, to get good server logs too.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.11.16 23:10:00 -
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So, what did we get out of this event?
First of all, the event team really don't have a good check on the situation. Going into BoB space to hunt Norad? NOT mailing Seleene (any of our CEOs or other official contacts) to get in touch with MC?
Well, it took a turn as far as PC-NPC politics are concerned. BoB got annoyed at Mordu. MC got annoyed at Mordu. And so on.
Oveur came out to play, and saved the MC fleet + HC MasiEEE from utter boredom.
And we get to know that NPC AI are being boosted so they can escort and Event Team is going to be allowed to fly BF Ships (compare: BFG).
I do hope that the news item article isn't going to be so twisted that it's sad. And MC are still waiting to be mentioned in the Serpentis Dread-theft event.
If we kidnap President Foiritan and assassinate the Amarrian Emperor, I guess there's only a small chance of getting in to the news. Guess we'll have to destroy half the jumpgates in Jita, too, to stand a chance (and we'll start with Niyabainen gate!)
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.11.16 23:13:00 -
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Oveur, you have a really sick sense of humor. 
I'm happy if the event helped you with some optimizations. It's just too bad the event team didn't do a better job at setting this up. I will not speak for the others involved, but from the MC perspective...
We heard nothing for months from them. Then they sent invites to people who aren't even in our alliance anymore. They sent mails to people not in our leadership. They did not even send invitations to the MC CEOs. Bad communication = bad mercs / friends. We're not thier lackeys.
EDIT... awww..FFS. Ithildin's post totally owns mine.
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2005.11.16 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin
I do hope that the news item article isn't going to be so twisted that it's sad. And MC are still waiting to be mentioned in the Serpentis Dread-theft event.
If we kidnap President Foiritan and assassinate the Amarrian Emperor, I guess there's only a small chance of getting in to the news. Guess we'll have to destroy half the jumpgates in Jita, too, to stand a chance (and we'll start with Niyabainen gate!)
I'm waiting on some information and then there will be an interview with Seleene regarding the MC. This has been on the agenda for 3 days now, so I'm way ahead of you on that
Seleene, if it takes too long I will contact you without the info btw
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Karmae
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Posted - 2005.11.16 23:20:00 -
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Well if the end result of this event is Oveur getting to be bottom of some lag, then it can't all be bad.
That said, at the intial outline of this event about a week ago, it was mentioned by the event team that BoB, MC and 5 were going to be invited to take part. 5 apparently got their invites, Razor got their invites too. I'm assuming RKK got some since we had Yuki Li in channel and the BoB force mobilised, but maybe the contacts should be properly sorted out before staging a larger event like this one. Then everyone can be singing from the same hymn sheet.
Still and all, the event had some humourous moments... I like the civilian gatling railgun best :)
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Leilani Solaris
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Posted - 2005.11.16 23:51:00 -
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spawning a mordus fleet on top of MC fleet is bad, m'kay? /me slaps oveurs's wrists.
Give me my apoc back please.
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Cochise
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Posted - 2005.11.16 23:58:00 -
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Well I think it is an awsome start to something we all need way more of. Its hard to get these events right when they are so rare but kudos to CCP for trying and I just hope they will learn and keep trying. Also its obvious that some changes have already been decided so all in all a good start.
Keep it up CCP because Im sure we all want more so try learn and try again peeps will show up.
Thanks Guys !!!
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.11.17 01:10:00 -
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In the last 15 days I offered to use BoB fleets and pilots (hell, any and all pilots we could con) to use tranquility as a "live fire" testing opportunity. By the sounds of it (ISD should still visit some of Seleene's suggestions, not contacting the LEAD pilot in MC is, errr, inexcusable) he used us.
Hope it worked out for the guys, I was kinda wondering where the navy issue mods were on the navy issue ravens 
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson
A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
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Theijuiel
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Posted - 2005.11.17 01:56:00 -
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So if big bad bob own the outer ring as so many of u are saying. Can u please tell us y NORAD are still very active in the outer ring Yes i said outer ring.If i remeber righty not so long ago another alliance tried to move NORAD out of the outer ring and quest what we are still here .As for us running its the same old story with bob only want to fight us when they out number us 2-1 or should i say 3-1By the way think i will go do some hunting in the outer ring or should i go mine there This is not a offical statment from norad just my own oppinion.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.11.17 02:16:00 -
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"As for us running its the same old story with bob only want to fight us when they out number us 2-1 or should i say 3-1"
bob decide to bring a fleet of 60 along with the mordus fleet vs our 60 we decide there is no point in fighting so we retreat to orvolle.
Not bothering to read even the opening post made by your alliance mate wins you...
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Quithlar Binay
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Posted - 2005.11.17 04:54:00 -
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Originally by: wateva
once in orvolle mordus leigon start shooting us then when we try to shoot back sentrys blow us up.... another battleship goes in they fire on us.. he fires back and gets blown up by the sentrys... CCP WTF IS UP WITH THIS?
Originally by: Lord Takani
And in orvolle all **** broke loose, mordus firing at norad and also sentry's firing at us enz. At that poit i whas kinda confused.
I am confused as well. Mordu's Legion is practically an enemy of the Gallente Federation. If a Mordu's Legion battle fleet was in Orvolle, the sentry guns should have been firing at them, not you. Also, the Federation Navy should have engaged, on "your" side.
CONCORD had no business involving itself in a factional conflict, perhaps the local commander needs to be reminded of what their mission is.
(Bringing the fight to Orvolle seems to have been a mistake, as it is probably unrealistic to expect the Events team to handle so many factional issues.)
Originally by: Fred0
Mordu relayed on atleast my public comms channels that they wanted to shoot NORAD/IMP.
Perhaps in future it will occur to the vaunted Legion that they might find NORAD and Imperium in NORAD and Imperium space. 
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Quithlar Binay
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Faust Revis
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Posted - 2005.11.17 04:55:00 -
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Originally by: Theijuiel
So if big bad bob own the outer ring as so many of u are saying. Can u please tell us y NORAD are still very active in the outer ringYes i said outer ring.If i remeber righty not so long ago another alliance tried to move NORAD out of the outer ring and quest what we are still here.As for us running its the same old story with bob only want to fight us when they out number us 2-1 or should i say 3-1By the way think i will go do some hunting in the outer ring or should i go mine there This is not a offical statment from norad just my own oppinion.
long ago Imperium moved norad out of outering/syndicate. This was in the beginning of Imperium shortly after the collapsing of CA. Norad had very little left to fight us, just a few members from a few corps guerilla fighting us. But in the end of us controlling that area we made peace with norad and allowed them full access into Syndicate and outer ring. End of that story. And we are still friends.
As for Mordus Legion wanting an apology from Imperium, they are gonna have to take thier fleep on a path straight south to Aridia to get a damn thing from us. I dont speak for Imperium, but i feel insulted that mordus lacked the intel to know that imperium no longer resides in outer ring. Been this way for quite some time.
My opinions are that of my own. I do not represent the voice of my corp, or my Alliance.
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Nyack
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Posted - 2005.11.17 06:58:00 -
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Just to get the Norad-pilot perspective on the event:
This is just the way I experienced the event and my observations alone. Feel free to discuss it but remember what I experienced might not be what YOU experienced in the event. Just wanted to give NORAD side to this
We got intel that mordus were about to attack NORAD and IMPERIUM(no one else) by forces heading out from orvolle. The news suggested a two dread fleet so we setup a camp in D5IW. For a small alliance of mearly 300 or so members and a lot of different corps involved we managed to 60 or so pilots in gang maybe less then 50 on site the rest on the way. This op started at 17:00 eve time since the mail that was sent out said 18:00 eve time for enemies in orvolle.
D5IW is a border system to syndicate were bob has reckognized NORAD presence and not deep inside outer ring and bob controlled space. After 3 hours of useless waiting we got intel that the mordus fleet was on the move from orvolle. They however double back and halted movement and didnĘt head for our camp. (we didnĘt know this at the time)
At this time a 3 alliance fleet(according to posts in this thread) was coming up behind(4c) us with very superior numbers from fountain consisting of mostly BOBs. So now were stuck in the middle of 2 hostile fleets. Since this day was dedicated to fight in the event not to fight bob. We decided we should meet up with the mordus fleet rather then stay and fight bob fleet. The camp that was mostly fitted with heavy tankers and neutralizers to counter the dreads suggested from the official news.
We took up the camp and headed for the mordus fleet. Our intentions, at that time, was NOT to run for empire it was to meet up with the events fleet and get the fight we were out to get. So even if the NORAD fleet was now in syndicate the BOB fleet left their controlled space to follow us.
When we were on the way the mordus fleet chickened out and went for the H0G constellation which used to be a dead end system now opened up by added stargates. That made us miss them and we didnĘt get any fight. We were now in FD with a fleet consisting of mostly heavily tanked dread tacklers.
NORAD is mostly European timezone players and most of us had by this time been in this op non-stop for 4 hours during a weekday evening. We all by this time had very ****ed families and most of us hadnĘt had time to eat. It was decided we should head the last jumps to empire to refit and take 20min break. On the way to pf we ran into a RAT fleet I think it was. Good chaps as they were they gave us a fight even if not in superior numbers and we lost a few ships. But during the fight the bob fleet caught up with us and we jumped into orvolle.
Since we now were in empire space it was said all pilots wanted to refit or take a break get 20min to do so. Some pilots stayed at the pf gate in orvole to stretch the spacelegs. During that time the mordus event crew warped in and started to fire at NORAD pilots in 0.7 space.
At that time we had no way to tell in the overview what was mordus and not, and there were maybe 50 or so non NORAD ships at that gate. One gang member open fire on mordus before first being aggro under the impression that the mordus players were free to shoot at. Of course that pilot was concordoken. This resulted in NORAD just being shot at with no way to defend ourselves.
So before you flame NORAD for screwing up this event remember the reality of what one alliance was up against here. We were only one medium sized alliance facing maybe 4-5 hostile alliances at the same time.
And as ouver stated in this thread this event was mostly to lagg test before RMR deployment. NORAD did what our resources allowed us to we donĘt have the capability to out blobb 4-5 alliances at the same time.
Nyack
[GREYC] CEO and NORAD council member.
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Nyack
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Posted - 2005.11.17 06:59:00 -
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I also want to thank every non alliance associated corp that came and stood ground with us nice to fly with you and please try to contact NORAD officials again so we can compensate any losses and just talk things over what happened.
Nyack
[GREYC] CEO and NORAD council member.
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We are the people who's come here to play
I don¦t like it easy
I don¦t like the straight way
We¦re in the middle of something
We are here to stay
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.11.17 08:05:00 -
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Nyack, I can sympathize with you. A lot of MC pilots used up a lot of favors with their families last night to make an event that turned out to be a big NOTHING. The event organizers had very poor information, did not notify the right people and wasted a hell of a lot of people's time with an event that could have been EPIC.
From a role play perspective, the MC worked with Mordus a few months back and we were shaking our heads at the absolute lack of skill and intelligence exhibited by the event personnel. I understand that the events team has certain rules, but from an in character perspective they are supposed to be the top merc outfit in the game. The did not impress the MC in any way, but we were willing to see what happened next.
Weeks turned into months with no communication at all from our new 'friends'. As I told the leader of the Mordus pilots last night, "We have enemies that we communicate with more and are not at your beck and call." FFS, we are in the middle of a contract at the center of one of the largest wars in EVE right now. How about more than thirty minutes notice as to what the operation is going to be? You either trust us or you do not.
Regardless of the limitations placed on the Events people, that's unacceptable. An email to myself or any other MC CEO to maintain contact over the past few months would have gone a long way to keeping our ties with Mordus solid. We could only surmise, due to their lack of communication and information, that they saw the MC as some sort of 'on call' guard dogs.
They were, and are, wrong.
BTW...
Originally by: Eris Discordia
I'm waiting on some information and then there will be an interview with Seleene regarding the MC. This has been on the agenda for 3 days now, so I'm way ahead of you on that
Seleene, if it takes too long I will contact you without the info btw
I'm sure all the pilots of the MC would appreciate a chance for us to comment and set the record straight on any number of issues, Eris. Thank you for the oppertunity. I await your email / notification.
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Sivona
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Posted - 2005.11.17 08:39:00 -
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When we were working with mordu's it was made clear that it was absolutely impossible to use insta-jumps as they were not part of the game, however it seems they were more than willing to use them last night does is this change in policy from the top condoning their use or was it done on their own initative.
Allowing bigger and better ships although will make them easier to kill they will still be killed - its the pilots you need to upgrade or fly with people who can fight, which is not going to happen if you dont contact your so called 'allies' for 3 months then expect them to drop everything and run to their aid.
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