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wateva
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Posted - 2005.11.16 20:46:00 -
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right heres the story fellas. noradd got a group of 60 guys in outer ring knowing we would have mordus leigon incomming. bob decide to bring a fleet of 60 along with the mordus fleet vs our 60 we decide there is no point in fighting so we retreat to orvolle.
once in orvolle mordus leigon start shooting us then when we try to shoot back sentrys blow us up.... another battleship goes in they fire on us.. he fires back and gets blown up by the sentrys... CCP WTF IS UP WITH THIS?
yes i am an alt in fear of a bob gm moving their fleet 10 systems at one time and calling me primary 0_0 
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Top Hat
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Posted - 2005.11.16 20:48:00 -
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Fear BoB and our GM powers.
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Werner Bohr
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Posted - 2005.11.16 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: wateva
yes i am an alt in fear of a bob gm moving their fleet 10 systems at one time and calling me primary 0_0 
If a GM was doing that, in a 60 man BoB fleet you don't think at least one person would have the conscience to report a corrupt GM to CCP? Somehow I doubt every member of BoB is a game exploiter (not that I'm saying any of them are.)
Unfounded accusations are awesome.
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eViL bUBbLeS
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Posted - 2005.11.16 20:57:00 -
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bravely they ran away!
even fight 4tw!
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Alasse Cuthalion
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Posted - 2005.11.16 20:58:00 -
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What a complete utter waste of our time, thanks a ******* lot ISD/CCP/whoeverthe****isresponsible.
Remind me to not bother ******* leaving Delve in future, I don't pay תתת for you to waste my time.
A deeply unsatisfied customer
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL12) Shogun |

DB Preacher
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:00:00 -
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The Mordus Fleet trespassed on our territory.
The Mordus Fleet ran.
The Norad fleet trespassed on our territory.
The Norad fleet ran.
Do not trespass on our territory.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL5) Kenin
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Arwen Atreides
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:01:00 -
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Edited by: Arwen Atreides on 16/11/2005 21:04:51 Edited by: Arwen Atreides on 16/11/2005 21:04:19 The views and accounts of this alt about the events tonight with Mordus and their allies are not the official oppinion of NORAD. Expect and official NORAD announcement soon.
Arwen Atreides, NORAD Council Representative -
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Hellraiza666
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:01:00 -
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i have to say, norad u are so brave  --------------------------------------------
In War There Are No Runners Up...
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king borg
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:01:00 -
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allasse this was an event for IMP and NORAD BOB were the ones who buggered this up!
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reaTh
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:02:00 -
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W O R S T
E V E N T
EVA! nuff said kthx ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Shrike
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:02:00 -
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Thank you for wasting BoB's time, MC's time, Exuro's time.
We just spanked up 3 alliances with everything we had with 30 mins notice, and the event team goes 5 jumps into 0.0 space and then runs for empire saying it was sucessful.
Thank you for wasting our evening.
Next time, i suggest;
1) Plan ahead. 2) Give proper notice 3) Dont run.
And if this is the quality you are going to have, don't invite BoB.
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Alasse Cuthalion
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:03:00 -
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Edited by: Alasse Cuthalion on 16/11/2005 21:03:28
Originally by: king borg allasse this was an event for IMP and NORAD BOB were the ones who buggered this up!
So why the **** did they invite us?
And in case you hadn't noticed, Outer Ring is BoB territory, running an event in our space is clearly going to bloody involve us dip****.
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL12) Shogun |

Grimster
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Shrike
And if this is the quality you are going to have, don't invite BoB.
Aye - total waste of time 
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king borg
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:04:00 -
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iuno 
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Pumpkin pi3
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:04:00 -
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i skipped dinner to rund ~ 60 jumps for nothing
BOOO!
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dimensionZ
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: king borg allasse this was an event for IMP and NORAD BOB were the ones who buggered this up!
This is our space. If the event team is on our territory, the event is for us.
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KIAHicks
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:06:00 -
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Edited by: KIAHicks on 16/11/2005 21:06:35
Originally by: king borg allasse this was an event for IMP and NORAD BOB were the ones who buggered this up!
If an event happens in BoB territory, don't you think BoB should be allowed to attend it? Glad I didn't take part in it from what I've heard.
Also nice job event organisers/ccp having your ships able to shoot people without them been able to shoot back, nice work on settings standings there :P
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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Fourier
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:07:00 -
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I skipped a Miss Sweden Bikiniparty and jumped 60 jumps... ...for nothing!
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king borg
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:07:00 -
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may i suggest this being organised again but with more information sent out to all the alliances who are invited?? there was alot of confusan here i think
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Wuubaa
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: king borg allasse this was an event for IMP and NORAD BOB were the ones who buggered this up!
They shoulda held it in aridia then.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 16/11/2005 21:08:46 Yup, wasted my time and made me do 80 ******* jumps to get somewhere where i didn't want to be in the first place.
Thanks, next time, bring something challenging and actually engage please.
Maybe some dreads next time ? At least those cant run that fast.. _______________________________________________
Power to the players !
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:10:00 -
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Nice own goal ISD!
Quality running skills NORAD, can't even stand and fight when there is an event on - hopeless.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:10:00 -
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What an incredible waste of time. Every time there is an event with Mordus, they are played to look like complete cowards and fools. If you expect the MC to respect an organization like this, you are sorely mistaken.
BTW, event team, why not actually try mailing people IN the MC about the event? Maybe even the actual leaders of the corps? Bah. -
The REAL Eve Political Map! |

Righteous Fury
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:11:00 -
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Edited by: Righteous Fury on 16/11/2005 21:12:09 I was too quite displeased with the turnout, honestly I was expecting more than 10 Navy Ravens to show up on Mordus' side. I'm embarassed now that I *****ed out my alliancemates for not wanting to come, and then having the event be a complete waste of time. That was three hours of my life I'll never get back.
Also, next time, make sure your intel is up to date. Imperium live in Aridia, not Syndicate.
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bUBbLeS
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:12:00 -
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great to see both mordus AND norad AND IMP run from a smaller BoB fleet!
i can hear the benny hill tune in my head now
BUT
bit of a waste of time
no cAKe
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Necronom
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:12:00 -
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Event was a total waste of time, we were promised a fight with Mordus, got none. We expected a fight with Norad, got none. This event was far from a success, GG CPP and Norad.
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R31D
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:14:00 -
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MC got the real fight of the evening though - a spawn of NPC BS
Free bumpage for all |

king borg
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:16:00 -
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heh comming from the mighty bob who dont fight unless they have double our numbers 
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:16:00 -
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umm .. perhaps flame norad less... the way it seems it was whoever planned the event's fault
Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful |

ZelRox
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:16:00 -
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Bloodraiders hate me even more now  ----------------------
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:17:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 16/11/2005 21:17:29
Originally by: R31D MC got the real fight of the evening though - a spawn of NPC BS
RAT came in and tried to spoil the party so we had to shoot at them instead. Darn.  -
The REAL Eve Political Map! |

Chode Rizoum
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:18:00 -
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funny thread
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Traxio Nacho
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:19:00 -
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/trax thinks someone is still annoyed they didnt get a mail  
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Hellraiza666
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:20:00 -
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Edited by: Hellraiza666 on 16/11/2005 21:20:52
Originally by: ParMizaN umm .. perhaps flame norad less... the way it seems it was whoever planned the event's fault
parm, norad running from even numbers 10+ jumps to get to empire is not the event teams fault, its norad *****ing out --------------------------------------------
In War There Are No Runners Up...
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: king borg heh comming from the mighty bob who dont fight unless they have double our numbers 

Crawl back to your cave troll, or do I need to /tr me to your safe and make you primary ? _______________________________________________
Power to the players !
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algorythm
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:25:00 -
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My vote goes for worst event ever. I even freakin canceled dinner with my lady damn it! CCP didnt adapt to the reality on that moment, and in the end we get npc battleships to kill? THANK YOU we have that already every day. __________________________ Man usually avoids attributing cleverness to somebody else -- unless it is an enemy. -- Albert Einstein
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king borg
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:25:00 -
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noo! :'o 
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king borg
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:27:00 -
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tbh in all fairness it was neither bob or norads fualt. our intel was wrong becuase we hadent been informed properly by teh event team.
btw my veiws above are my thoughts and do not represent any officail statements from norad
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Leno
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: algorythm My vote goes for worst event ever. I even freakin canceled dinner with my lady damn it! CCP didnt adapt to the reality on that moment, and in the end we get npc battleships to kill? THANK YOU we have that already every day.
poor algy  ---------------
RIP - Smoske, My Friend
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Mankind mkII
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:29:00 -
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Deffinatley the worst event i have been to
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Vanden
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Hellraiza666 Edited by: Hellraiza666 on 16/11/2005 21:20:52
Originally by: ParMizaN umm .. perhaps flame norad less... the way it seems it was whoever planned the event's fault
parm, norad running from even numbers 10+ jumps to get to empire is not the event teams fault, its norad *****ing out
Why did we go towards empire when we could have safely docked in D5?
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bUBbLeS g0aT
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:30:00 -
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cause we would of camped u forever in d5?
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: king borg heh comming from the mighty bob who dont fight unless they have double our numbers 
You should post less. You currently look very silly.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Lord Takani
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:33:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Takani on 16/11/2005 21:35:52 Edited by: Lord Takani on 16/11/2005 21:34:43 Stop the flaming towards NORAD, as it is the event guys fault.
A norad fleet whas gathered in d5 to await the arriving mordus forcing for some fun. when mordus forces where on there way bob forces logged in 4c. What whe expected whas that mordu's and bob where cooperating as it seemed very conviniant that both forces where gathering at the same time.(correct me if i'm wrong about the cooperation).
Whe did what any fleet would have done when approached from 2 sides and outnumbered 2 to 1, about 100 to 50. norad command decided to head towards the mordu's fleet and meet them in battle, before bob forces would catch us from behind.(so whe could still have some fun in the event, and not been Owned by both mordus and bob at the same time) expecting to meet the mordus fleet, they ran to a system(dont know wich) and norad decided not to folllow as whe would have been pinched between the 2 forces, but instead head to orvolle and regroup. And in orvolle all **** broke loose, mordus firing at norad and also sentry's firing at us enz. At that poit i whas kinda confused.
Thats my point of vieuw, and what happened, and thanks to ccp and event guys for ******* it all up for all who where involved.
About 4 hours of client work i could have done wasted! thanks ccp.
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Lowa
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene BTW, event team, why not actually try mailing people IN the MC about the event? Maybe even the actual leaders of the corps? Bah.
What Seleene said! Last time we did something like this you specifically asked for names of people inside the corps of MC to contact in regards to future events and contracts. We gave you 4 or 5 names if my memory dont fail me and afik none of these people were contacted in a proper manner regarding this event and we all had to read about part 1 on this on the EVE news... Not the way it was to go down ok.
Regards, LOWA
NSN - Forcing EVE reviewers to mine since 2003! |

king borg
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:36:00 -
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nein! ive just said that it was noones fault other then events team. i was very ****ed off as everyone else who took there night to fight this event is.
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Bedrock
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:38:00 -
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Glad I'm US Timezone and I always miss these kinds of Events. Just like that FA one. Waste of time. US -8 GMT 4tw
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Ordep
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:38:00 -
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jump, warp, jump....after 40+ jumps...nothing to shoot.  What a waste of time, and no dinner with the wife. Events should be more well organized. You are CCP, for God sake.  Me logs off for 2 days 
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight Nice own goal ISD!
Quality running skills NORAD, can't even stand and fight when there is an event on - hopeless.
omg blacklight h4x! |

Forgotten Brother
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:39:00 -
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ParMizaN is right, this event did go the way it was supposed to, don't blame bob nor norad, they have nothing to do with making this event the worst ever. It was a badly planned event from the event leader(s) and nothing else, not much to whine about really, everyone makes misstakes, today it was'nt a paying player :) |

Alasse Cuthalion
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Takani
when mordus forces where on there way bob forces logged in 4c.
Just FYI, we did not "log on" in 4c-, we'd been notified by ISD actors about the event and had travelled all the way from Delve to be there which just adds to my annoyance.
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL12) Shogun |

PirateShampoo
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:40:00 -
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Didnt u guys down the south have a TITAN event only the other month?
How come the north is not getting the same attention you guys are getting. seems every other event seems to involve BOB and Co?
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Alasse Cuthalion
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: PirateShampoo Didnt u guys down the south have a TITAN event only the other month?
How come the north is not getting the same attention you guys are getting. seems every other event seems to involve BOB and Co?
That event moved all the way through Empire and numerous 0.0 regions and involved just about every major alliance in the game so quit whining.
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL12) Shogun |

Shiraz Merlot
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Takani A norad fleet whas gathered in d5 to await the arriving mordus forcing for some fun. when mordus forces where on there way bob forces logged in 4c. What whe expected whas that mordu's and bob where cooperating as it seemed very conviniant that both forces where gathering at the same time.(correct me if i'm wrong about the cooperation).
My perspective (sitting in the escorting RAZOR group) was that we were, on Mordu's direction, chasing NORAD (who had fled to Orvolle) when suddenly our tail scouts were reporting a 70-ish BoB fleet behind us.
There had been confusion earlier in the evening about whether BoB were friendly to the Mordu's side in this event, or hostile, or indifferent. It seems confusion reigned on all sides.
Good old fog of war :)
/Shiraz
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somebody
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:46:00 -
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*COUGH* lock thread *cough*
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Grimster
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Originally by: Grimster
Originally by: somebody *COUGH* lock thread *cough*
Why you so keen for a lock? I'd like an answer from the events team tbh.
You probably wont get it unless you post in the Events forum 
Heh - rolleyes sucks, but this was a non-event hence the original post here I suspect 
They're watching...
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2005.11.16 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: PirateShampoo
Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion
Originally by: PirateShampoo Didnt u guys down the south have a TITAN event only the other month?
How come the north is not getting the same attention you guys are getting. seems every other event seems to involve BOB and Co?
That event moved all the way through Empire and numerous 0.0 regions and involved just about every major alliance in the game so quit whining.
Whining? Just pointing out a fact. Personally i couldnt careless about events, they dont interest me cause 9 times out of 10 they get ruined and turn ito a disaster. And btw, from what i can see from this thread its mostly made up of you and norad being the biggest whinig *****s ive seen in a long time. Some of the langue your using on each other is uncalled for. So what the event was a **** up, theres nothing you can do about it now. GET OVER IT...
lol theres a certain "zing" about your posts shamp :)
nothing to do with being from *down there* ofc    
Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful |

Blacklight
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Posted - 2005.11.16 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Fred0 Edited by: Fred0 on 16/11/2005 21:55:42 Mordu relayed on atleast my public comms channels that they wanted to shoot NORAD/IMP. That BOB/MC didn't get a fight is irrelevant tbh.
Wrong.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Jedi Nite
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Posted - 2005.11.16 22:01:00 -
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Edited by: Jedi Nite on 16/11/2005 22:04:38
WE WERE INVITED as its BOB controlled space.
Jedi Nite
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Jedi Nite
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Posted - 2005.11.16 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: A norad fleet whas gathered in d5 to await the arriving mordus forcing for some fun. when mordus forces where on there way bob forces logged in 4c. What whe expected whas that mordu's and bob where cooperating as it seemed very conviniant that both forces where gathering at the same time.(correct me if i'm wrong about the cooperation)Lord Takani .
What the heck is it with you guys. Conspiracy FTW??
WE WERE INVITED as its BOB controlled space.
Why is it when we get involved some brainly Pr** comes along and says were in with the GM's I cannot belive the stupidity of it.
OK well heres one for you then.
PROVE IT....either PUT UP or SHUT UP
If you had stayed and fought, and then bragged that would've been ok...but you ran.....as usual....
Jedi Nite
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king borg
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Posted - 2005.11.16 22:04:00 -
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we run as usual? rofl 
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juduzz
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Posted - 2005.11.16 22:07:00 -
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The event was a complete waste of time TBH 
...and mordus shooting on NORAD and them not being able to defend themselves is even worst.
Well thats my first event kinda hope its my last TBH
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Grimster
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Posted - 2005.11.16 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: juduzz The event was a complete waste of time TBH 
...and mordus shooting on NORAD and them not being able to defend themselves is even worst.
Well thats my first event kinda hope its my last TBH
Signed.
btw Borg, we got a lot of fanboi's already, let's drop the *****ing and point fingers @ ISD 
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Fred0
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Posted - 2005.11.16 22:11:00 -
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Edited by: Fred0 on 16/11/2005 22:11:45
Originally by: juduzz ...and mordus shooting on NORAD and them not being able to defend themselves is even worst.
And that's just wrong. They could shoot mordu's but not the others in the fleet. A couple of their pilots got triggerhappy and agressed us (rzr) which made them concordokkened. I believe the equivalent of an empire war was in place between mordu's and NORAD/IMP
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king borg
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Posted - 2005.11.16 22:11:00 -
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Edited by: king borg on 16/11/2005 22:11:13 Edited by: king borg on 16/11/2005 22:10:50
Originally by: Grimster
Originally by: juduzz The event was a complete waste of time TBH 
...and mordus shooting on NORAD and them not being able to defend themselves is even worst.
Well thats my first event kinda hope its my last TBH
Signed.
btw Borg, we got a lot of fanboi's already, let's drop the *****ing and point fingers @ ISD 
rgr! 
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Eris Discordia

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Posted - 2005.11.16 22:12:00 -
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As you have seen Oveur was there, from now on Aurora is allowed to use bigger ships and bigger rewards depending on the players involved in an event.
Before this Aurora had to be careful in what ships they used and what rewards were being dropped, from now on they are allowed to offer a real challenge towards high end players.
Forgot what I wanted to write here... |
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HeadWar
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Posted - 2005.11.16 22:12:00 -
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Edited by: HeadWar on 16/11/2005 22:13:38
Originally by: R31D MC got the real fight of the evening though - a spawn of NPC BS
You mean this? (There came even more of them after that, plus a Monolith. \o/)
(Un)fortunately, RaT warped in with a few battleships when we had just begun working on the NPCs, so we slugged it out with them, and then Oveur removed the NPCs. Good thing too, the buggers had me scrambled. 
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R31D
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Posted - 2005.11.16 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: HeadWar Edited by: HeadWar on 16/11/2005 22:13:38
Originally by: R31D MC got the real fight of the evening though - a spawn of NPC BS
You mean this? (There came even more of them after that, plus a Monolith. \o/)
(Un)fortunately, RaT warped in with a few battleships when we had just begun working on the NPCs, so we slugged it out with them, and then Oveur removed the NPCs. Good thing too, the buggers had me scrambled. 
Yep, that. I warped out just as Oveur said 'Mordu fleet incoming' so could only go on reports in gangchat 
Free bumpage for all |
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Oveur

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Posted - 2005.11.16 22:34:00 -
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Yeah, like Eris says, we need something bigger for the player fleets. I was watching and trying to get some good logs for comparison to one of our RMR optimizations and it wasn't very much big-bada-boom happening.
The main thing I pinpointed was that the event actors are in battleships and I don't care what kind of modules you pack on 10 battleships, they just aren't going to do anything against any sizeable organized fleet of players.
So first step is give them bigger ships so at least they don't *pop* as fast as today. You'll see Dreads, Carriers and Titans from now on in events. That also pushes up the need for more of the pirate factions to get their "big ships" (you know, like sansha which don't use Amarr versions of ships like Mordu use Caldari).
I'm also looking into if I can't get NPC's to guard players, this way, we can create mixed fleets which doesn't require organization of 50 event actors. I know it's not the same as fighting an organized fleet, but hey, at least you have a mixed fleed controlled by people and not AI. I can see 4 actors, each in a Carrier, each with it's own escort.
Anyways, food for thought, and like Eris said, I've allowed stepping up the rewards. I think Molle had a problem with the Civilian Gatling Laser one of the actors dropped 
Senior Producer EVE Online
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.11.16 22:40:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 16/11/2005 22:41:56
"I was watching and trying to get some good logs for comparison to one of our RMR optimizations and it wasn't very much big-bada-boom happening."
Did the logs by chance manage to get some of possible lag sources, there? It took some of us good 5 mins or more to actually load PF-346 after jumping into it, and there was ~120'ish people in local total (i.e. ~60-70 in the system before we went in) and none of them on the gate we arrived through... ^^;;
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2005.11.16 22:40:00 -
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Mucho sexy eventage.
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StiZum Hilidii
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Posted - 2005.11.16 22:41:00 -
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im glad we didnt accept our invite by the sounds of it.
glad to see you have learnt something from it though oveur STAN
FACTA NON VERBA ALTS FTL |

Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2005.11.16 22:43:00 -
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Next time don't have the actors dock and log, I didn't get to loot jew at all 
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.11.16 22:52:00 -
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Im done with events, no talking just gank them and get the loot --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Oveur

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Posted - 2005.11.16 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine Edited by: j0sephine on 16/11/2005 22:41:56
"I was watching and trying to get some good logs for comparison to one of our RMR optimizations and it wasn't very much big-bada-boom happening."
Did the logs by chance manage to get some of possible lag sources, there? It took some of us good 5 mins or more to actually load PF-346 after jumping into it, and there was ~120'ish people in local total (i.e. ~60-70 in the system before we went in) and none of them on the gate we arrived through... ^^;;
Actually, yes it did. I found some weird cases where I was getting huge packets from the server. I'm pretty sure it's the effects system sending me all the stuff happening in the scene I'm entering and we are reducing that traffic in RMR but I'd like to see some comparisons. We're also doing some tests on Sisi with some of the new big ships, to get good server logs too.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.11.16 23:10:00 -
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So, what did we get out of this event?
First of all, the event team really don't have a good check on the situation. Going into BoB space to hunt Norad? NOT mailing Seleene (any of our CEOs or other official contacts) to get in touch with MC?
Well, it took a turn as far as PC-NPC politics are concerned. BoB got annoyed at Mordu. MC got annoyed at Mordu. And so on.
Oveur came out to play, and saved the MC fleet + HC MasiEEE from utter boredom.
And we get to know that NPC AI are being boosted so they can escort and Event Team is going to be allowed to fly BF Ships (compare: BFG).
I do hope that the news item article isn't going to be so twisted that it's sad. And MC are still waiting to be mentioned in the Serpentis Dread-theft event.
If we kidnap President Foiritan and assassinate the Amarrian Emperor, I guess there's only a small chance of getting in to the news. Guess we'll have to destroy half the jumpgates in Jita, too, to stand a chance (and we'll start with Niyabainen gate!)
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.11.16 23:13:00 -
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Oveur, you have a really sick sense of humor. 
I'm happy if the event helped you with some optimizations. It's just too bad the event team didn't do a better job at setting this up. I will not speak for the others involved, but from the MC perspective...
We heard nothing for months from them. Then they sent invites to people who aren't even in our alliance anymore. They sent mails to people not in our leadership. They did not even send invitations to the MC CEOs. Bad communication = bad mercs / friends. We're not thier lackeys.
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Posted - 2005.11.16 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin
I do hope that the news item article isn't going to be so twisted that it's sad. And MC are still waiting to be mentioned in the Serpentis Dread-theft event.
If we kidnap President Foiritan and assassinate the Amarrian Emperor, I guess there's only a small chance of getting in to the news. Guess we'll have to destroy half the jumpgates in Jita, too, to stand a chance (and we'll start with Niyabainen gate!)
I'm waiting on some information and then there will be an interview with Seleene regarding the MC. This has been on the agenda for 3 days now, so I'm way ahead of you on that

Seleene, if it takes too long I will contact you without the info btw
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Karmae
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Posted - 2005.11.16 23:20:00 -
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Well if the end result of this event is Oveur getting to be bottom of some lag, then it can't all be bad.
That said, at the intial outline of this event about a week ago, it was mentioned by the event team that BoB, MC and 5 were going to be invited to take part. 5 apparently got their invites, Razor got their invites too. I'm assuming RKK got some since we had Yuki Li in channel and the BoB force mobilised, but maybe the contacts should be properly sorted out before staging a larger event like this one. Then everyone can be singing from the same hymn sheet.
Still and all, the event had some humourous moments... I like the civilian gatling railgun best :) ==================== There is 10 types of people in this world... Those who understand binary, and those who don't. |

Leilani Solaris
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Posted - 2005.11.16 23:51:00 -
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spawning a mordus fleet on top of MC fleet is bad, m'kay? /me slaps oveurs's wrists.
Give me my apoc back please. 
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Cochise
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Posted - 2005.11.16 23:58:00 -
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Well I think it is an awsome start to something we all need way more of. Its hard to get these events right when they are so rare but kudos to CCP for trying and I just hope they will learn and keep trying. Also its obvious that some changes have already been decided so all in all a good start.
Keep it up CCP because Im sure we all want more so try learn and try again peeps will show up.
Thanks Guys !!!
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.11.17 01:10:00 -
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In the last 15 days I offered to use BoB fleets and pilots (hell, any and all pilots we could con) to use tranquility as a "live fire" testing opportunity. By the sounds of it (ISD should still visit some of Seleene's suggestions, not contacting the LEAD pilot in MC is, errr, inexcusable) he used us.
Hope it worked out for the guys, I was kinda wondering where the navy issue mods were on the navy issue ravens 
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
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Theijuiel
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Posted - 2005.11.17 01:56:00 -
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So if big bad bob own the outer ring as so many of u are saying. Can u please tell us y NORAD are still very active in the outer ring Yes i said outer ring.If i remeber righty not so long ago another alliance tried to move NORAD out of the outer ring and quest what we are still here .As for us running its the same old story with bob only want to fight us when they out number us 2-1 or should i say 3-1 By the way think i will go do some hunting in the outer ring or should i go mine there This is not a offical statment from norad just my own oppinion.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.11.17 02:16:00 -
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"As for us running its the same old story with bob only want to fight us when they out number us 2-1 or should i say 3-1 "
bob decide to bring a fleet of 60 along with the mordus fleet vs our 60 we decide there is no point in fighting so we retreat to orvolle.
Not bothering to read even the opening post made by your alliance mate wins you...
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Quithlar Binay
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Posted - 2005.11.17 04:54:00 -
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Originally by: wateva
once in orvolle mordus leigon start shooting us then when we try to shoot back sentrys blow us up.... another battleship goes in they fire on us.. he fires back and gets blown up by the sentrys... CCP WTF IS UP WITH THIS?
Originally by: Lord Takani And in orvolle all **** broke loose, mordus firing at norad and also sentry's firing at us enz. At that poit i whas kinda confused.
I am confused as well. Mordu's Legion is practically an enemy of the Gallente Federation. If a Mordu's Legion battle fleet was in Orvolle, the sentry guns should have been firing at them, not you. Also, the Federation Navy should have engaged, on "your" side.
CONCORD had no business involving itself in a factional conflict, perhaps the local commander needs to be reminded of what their mission is.
(Bringing the fight to Orvolle seems to have been a mistake, as it is probably unrealistic to expect the Events team to handle so many factional issues.)
Originally by: Fred0 Mordu relayed on atleast my public comms channels that they wanted to shoot NORAD/IMP.
Perhaps in future it will occur to the vaunted Legion that they might find NORAD and Imperium in NORAD and Imperium space. 
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Faust Revis
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Originally by: Theijuiel So if big bad bob own the outer ring as so many of u are saying. Can u please tell us y NORAD are still very active in the outer ring Yes i said outer ring.If i remeber righty not so long ago another alliance tried to move NORAD out of the outer ring and quest what we are still here .As for us running its the same old story with bob only want to fight us when they out number us 2-1 or should i say 3-1 By the way think i will go do some hunting in the outer ring or should i go mine there This is not a offical statment from norad just my own oppinion.
long ago Imperium moved norad out of outering/syndicate. This was in the beginning of Imperium shortly after the collapsing of CA. Norad had very little left to fight us, just a few members from a few corps guerilla fighting us. But in the end of us controlling that area we made peace with norad and allowed them full access into Syndicate and outer ring. End of that story. And we are still friends.
As for Mordus Legion wanting an apology from Imperium, they are gonna have to take thier fleep on a path straight south to Aridia to get a damn thing from us. I dont speak for Imperium, but i feel insulted that mordus lacked the intel to know that imperium no longer resides in outer ring. Been this way for quite some time.
My opinions are that of my own. I do not represent the voice of my corp, or my Alliance.
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Posted - 2005.11.17 06:58:00 -
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Just to get the Norad-pilot perspective on the event:
This is just the way I experienced the event and my observations alone. Feel free to discuss it but remember what I experienced might not be what YOU experienced in the event. Just wanted to give NORAD side to this
We got intel that mordus were about to attack NORAD and IMPERIUM(no one else) by forces heading out from orvolle. The news suggested a two dread fleet so we setup a camp in D5IW. For a small alliance of mearly 300 or so members and a lot of different corps involved we managed to 60 or so pilots in gang maybe less then 50 on site the rest on the way. This op started at 17:00 eve time since the mail that was sent out said 18:00 eve time for enemies in orvolle.
D5IW is a border system to syndicate were bob has reckognized NORAD presence and not deep inside outer ring and bob controlled space. After 3 hours of useless waiting we got intel that the mordus fleet was on the move from orvolle. They however double back and halted movement and didnֶt head for our camp. (we didnֶt know this at the time)
At this time a 3 alliance fleet(according to posts in this thread) was coming up behind(4c) us with very superior numbers from fountain consisting of mostly BOBs. So now were stuck in the middle of 2 hostile fleets. Since this day was dedicated to fight in the event not to fight bob. We decided we should meet up with the mordus fleet rather then stay and fight bob fleet. The camp that was mostly fitted with heavy tankers and neutralizers to counter the dreads suggested from the official news.
We took up the camp and headed for the mordus fleet. Our intentions, at that time, was NOT to run for empire it was to meet up with the events fleet and get the fight we were out to get. So even if the NORAD fleet was now in syndicate the BOB fleet left their controlled space to follow us.
When we were on the way the mordus fleet chickened out and went for the H0G constellation which used to be a dead end system now opened up by added stargates. That made us miss them and we didnֶt get any fight. We were now in FD with a fleet consisting of mostly heavily tanked dread tacklers.
NORAD is mostly European timezone players and most of us had by this time been in this op non-stop for 4 hours during a weekday evening. We all by this time had very ****ed families and most of us hadnֶt had time to eat. It was decided we should head the last jumps to empire to refit and take 20min break. On the way to pf we ran into a RAT fleet I think it was. Good chaps as they were they gave us a fight even if not in superior numbers and we lost a few ships. But during the fight the bob fleet caught up with us and we jumped into orvolle.
Since we now were in empire space it was said all pilots wanted to refit or take a break get 20min to do so. Some pilots stayed at the pf gate in orvole to stretch the spacelegs. During that time the mordus event crew warped in and started to fire at NORAD pilots in 0.7 space.
At that time we had no way to tell in the overview what was mordus and not, and there were maybe 50 or so non NORAD ships at that gate. One gang member open fire on mordus before first being aggro under the impression that the mordus players were free to shoot at. Of course that pilot was concordoken. This resulted in NORAD just being shot at with no way to defend ourselves.
So before you flame NORAD for screwing up this event remember the reality of what one alliance was up against here. We were only one medium sized alliance facing maybe 4-5 hostile alliances at the same time.
And as ouver stated in this thread this event was mostly to lagg test before RMR deployment. NORAD did what our resources allowed us to we donֶt have the capability to out blobb 4-5 alliances at the same time.
Nyack [GREYC] CEO and NORAD council member.
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Nyack
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Posted - 2005.11.17 06:59:00 -
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I also want to thank every non alliance associated corp that came and stood ground with us nice to fly with you and please try to contact NORAD officials again so we can compensate any losses and just talk things over what happened.
Nyack [GREYC] CEO and NORAD council member.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.11.17 08:05:00 -
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Nyack, I can sympathize with you. A lot of MC pilots used up a lot of favors with their families last night to make an event that turned out to be a big NOTHING. The event organizers had very poor information, did not notify the right people and wasted a hell of a lot of people's time with an event that could have been EPIC.
From a role play perspective, the MC worked with Mordus a few months back and we were shaking our heads at the absolute lack of skill and intelligence exhibited by the event personnel. I understand that the events team has certain rules, but from an in character perspective they are supposed to be the top merc outfit in the game. The did not impress the MC in any way, but we were willing to see what happened next.
Weeks turned into months with no communication at all from our new 'friends'. As I told the leader of the Mordus pilots last night, "We have enemies that we communicate with more and are not at your beck and call." FFS, we are in the middle of a contract at the center of one of the largest wars in EVE right now. How about more than thirty minutes notice as to what the operation is going to be? You either trust us or you do not.
Regardless of the limitations placed on the Events people, that's unacceptable. An email to myself or any other MC CEO to maintain contact over the past few months would have gone a long way to keeping our ties with Mordus solid. We could only surmise, due to their lack of communication and information, that they saw the MC as some sort of 'on call' guard dogs.
They were, and are, wrong.
BTW...
Originally by: Eris Discordia I'm waiting on some information and then there will be an interview with Seleene regarding the MC. This has been on the agenda for 3 days now, so I'm way ahead of you on that

Seleene, if it takes too long I will contact you without the info btw
I'm sure all the pilots of the MC would appreciate a chance for us to comment and set the record straight on any number of issues, Eris. Thank you for the oppertunity. I await your email / notification. 
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Sivona
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Posted - 2005.11.17 08:39:00 -
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When we were working with mordu's it was made clear that it was absolutely impossible to use insta-jumps as they were not part of the game, however it seems they were more than willing to use them last night does is this change in policy from the top condoning their use or was it done on their own initative.
Allowing bigger and better ships although will make them easier to kill they will still be killed - its the pilots you need to upgrade or fly with people who can fight, which is not going to happen if you dont contact your so called 'allies' for 3 months then expect them to drop everything and run to their aid.
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Dufas
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Posted - 2005.11.17 09:24:00 -
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I learned long ago not to waste my time going to events..they either lagg u to death or nothing happens and you waste an entire day to just end up ****ed off  __________
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Cadela Fria
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Posted - 2005.11.17 10:03:00 -
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Wait wait wait..are you saying, with a straight face, that it's the event's people's fault that you (not them), neglected RL stuff with your family/friends/loved ones ?? This blame you put on the event people????? Ahah..aaahahah...ahahahahah!....AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!! Damn thats precious.
But on the other hand it does really sound like the event people messed the deal up pretty bad, seriously. What can we do...shame on them for not being perfect and giving us exactly what we want and predict everything that we do.  I'm agreeing that they should perhaps have planned it a little better and this does seem like it was done half-arsed, but come on..Whats that next to the many successes they've made, and whats all this yelling and repeating yourselves gonna get you I'd wager you get nothing.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.11.17 10:03:00 -
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just poor to shoot them in orvolle without telling them --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2005.11.17 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Nafri just poor to shoot them in orvolle without telling them
This did happen last time there was a Mordu EVENT around Syndicate and they did State that by firing on Mordu ships, IMP and NORAD flagged ships were going to be in alot of trouble in the future. NORAD ships WERE fired on in Orvolle previous to this EVENT (though it was 3 months back).
I imagine those actor ships were free to fire upon and be fired on by all parties in Orvolle as is normal with EVENT actor flagged ships? Correct me if I'm wrong, but sounds like someone just opened up on a neutral ship in high sec and got CONCORDOKKEN'D without checking who it was he was firing upon or considering what he was doing.
I did and do like that idea that the story arcs are taking more of a hands on - repercussions abound type format. However, we REALLY need to have EVENT rules put into actors bios ensuring people know that they can fire upon and be fired on at any time - as not everyone knows about EVENT actor abilities or read the Event forum stickies etc.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.11.17 10:23:00 -
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Edited by: Nafri on 17/11/2005 10:24:08
Originally by: Trooper B99
Originally by: Nafri just poor to shoot them in orvolle without telling them
This did happen last time there was a Mordu EVENT around Syndicate and they did State that by firing on Mordu ships, IMP and NORAD flagged ships were going to be in alot of trouble in the future. NORAD ships WERE fired on in Orvolle previous to this EVENT (though it was 3 months back).
I imagine those actor ships were free to fire upon and be fired on by all parties in Orvolle as is normal with EVENT actor flagged ships? Correct me if I'm wrong, but sounds like someone just opened up on a neutral ship in high sec and got CONCORDOKKEN'D without checking who it was he was firing upon or considering what he was doing.
I did and do like that idea that the story arcs are taking more of a hands on - repercussions abound type format. However, we REALLY need to have EVENT rules put into actors bios ensuring people know that they can fire upon and be fired on at any time - as not everyone knows about EVENT actor abilities or read the Event forum stickies etc.
yeah, but some of them were afk, and the rest couldnt fire back. How should that bring fun for the guys taking part in the event? Events should be about fun, and I doubt NORAD had any fun at all at this evening (4h boredom 4tw). Getting shoot at in Orvolle and the gang cant help you... thats just ****, nothing to discuss there
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Originally by: HeadWar Edited by: HeadWar on 16/11/2005 22:13:38
Originally by: R31D MC got the real fight of the evening though - a spawn of NPC BS
You mean this? (There came even more of them after that, plus a Monolith. \o/)
(Un)fortunately, RaT warped in with a few battleships when we had just begun working on the NPCs, so we slugged it out with them, and then Oveur removed the NPCs. Good thing too, the buggers had me scrambled. 
Nice setup there :P
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Posted - 2005.11.17 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Nafri yeah, but some of them were afk, and the rest couldnt fire back.
Bottom line is its repercussions for their alliances actions. While I agree partly that the EVENT actors probably should have been firing on ships that didn't open up first, they were part of the fleet that had been taking part in the EVENT so were fair game.
Quote: Getting shoot at in Orvolle and the gang cant help you... thats just ****, nothing to discuss there
As far as i am aware, they could help, nearly all EVENT actor ships are able to be shot at in high sec space. I only remember afew recently where that wasn't the case and those were non-combat EVENTS. From whats been said, sounds like someone openeed up on a neutral ship by accident/design, got ganked, probably said on TS he shot at a mordu ship and then it was the NORAD consensus (rightly or wrongly) that they could not fire on Mordu ships.
Quote: and I still dont understand why thy asked 4 alliances to help whiping out NORAD? This is very confusing
As far as I am aware the alliances they asked for help had recently or still were in conflict with IMP/NORAD (BoB/[5]) or had been helping Mordus recently (Razor/MC).
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Posted - 2005.11.17 10:50:00 -
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Edited by: Joerd Toastius on 17/11/2005 10:52:02
Originally by: Nyack Interesting stuff
In the interests of a good commentary on events last night, a couple of thoughts:
1) While it would've been possible for them to deploy directly to a battlefield, the mechanics of Dreadnaughts pretty much guaranteed that they wouldn't be travelling with the fleet the majority of the time, and the field generators would have given plenty of warnings of incomings. While I understand the desire to pop them, faced with a choice between dread-killing and fleet-killing I'd have gone for fleet-killing given the situation. Personal opinion though, ymmv.
2) As Fred0 has already stated, your picture of the sentry issue is inaccurate. There was, that I observed or that was mentioned in any channel I was on, exactly one incident of sentries attacking a NORAD pilot, and that occurred when said pilot attacked a RAZOR pilot. We had a running commentary from the aggressed pilot - a NORAD pilot locked on, opened fire, the message came up saying they'd attacked and Sentries would open fire, Concord BS scrambled them, the pilot popped. I appreciate that in wartime things can get confused but in this case the error was on the part of the NORAD pilot concerned. Sidenote: did the Mordu's ships not come up with "Red Star" War flags?
Oh, and 3) Pilots sitting afk at a gate looks remarkably similar to pilots mounting a gatecamp. Suggestion: don't afk on a gate in a warzone when you know a hostile fleet is looking for you.
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Posted - 2005.11.17 10:54:00 -
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i had a covert ops at the pf gate and a charecter in the bob fleet for most of the night, i remember when oveur spawned the fleet and then rat jumped in, there was a skirmish between mc and rat then the mordus npc fleet went at MC, it was crazy, i thought they were going to get bbq'd en mass at one point because all of the mordus friggies were amongst the MC fleet, then oveur called them off :(
dissapointed norad didnt stay and fight although lag was mentally bad.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.11.17 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ribbo i had a covert ops at the pf gate and a charecter in the bob fleet for most of the night, i remember when oveur spawned the fleet and then rat jumped in, there was a skirmish between mc and rat then the mordus npc fleet went at MC, it was crazy, i thought they were going to get bbq'd en mass at one point because all of the mordus friggies were amongst the MC fleet, then oveur called them off :(
We concentrated on getting RAT out of there and then, suddenly, there were all these little red plus signs all over us.
I think that was Oveur's revenge for me talking him out of his Dev badge at FanFest... 
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.11.17 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Eris Discordia As you have seen Oveur was there, from now on Aurora is allowed to use bigger ships and bigger rewards depending on the players involved in an event.
Before this Aurora had to be careful in what ships they used and what rewards were being dropped, from now on they are allowed to offer a real challenge towards high end players.
Also Aurora has very little people available to assist in these events.
roflcopters. Maybe if Aurora actually recruited people who apply...? If anything, the people who fall outside the 'ideal candidate' spec are probably the ones best suited to taking part in this sort of event, non?
Or... do you mean "very little people available" as in too short to acutally reach the mouse and keyboard? ______________________________________________
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.11.17 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Theijuiel So if big bad bob own the outer ring as so many of u are saying. Can u please tell us y NORAD are still very active in the outer ring Yes i said outer ring.If i remeber righty not so long ago another alliance tried to move NORAD out of the outer ring and quest what we are still here .As for us running its the same old story with bob only want to fight us when they out number us 2-1 or should i say 3-1 By the way think i will go do some hunting in the outer ring or should i go mine there This is not a offical statment from norad just my own oppinion.
NORAD own Outer Ring, but BoB outnumber them 3:1?
How does that work then? ______________________________________________
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Originally by: DB Preacher The Mordus Fleet trespassed on our territory. The Mordus Fleet ran. The Norad fleet trespassed on our territory. The Norad fleet ran. Do not trespass on our territory. dbp
Well time for a reality check I think ... we do not trespass "your" territory, we live there now since ages. Without the support of your pilots complaining about doing x jumps for nothing, your "Outer Ring Fleet" would not have been able to attack senseful our gate camp D5, which was aimed only against the Mordus fleet. NORAD knows very well, that we still don't have the numbers, to counter a well assembled BoB-fleet. The reason is simple, we are NOT a pure PvP alliance. But most of the times, your forces in Outer Ring are not ruling the Ring, otherwise we would have redrawn or accepted your offer, letting us living in our home under your flag.
So the question for the reality check is, can you really settle all the space you call "your" own or are you only able to bring in a superior fleet if needed and terrorize the ppl try to live there ?
And to all your members doing x jumps for nothing: Sorry guys, don't expect us to take a fight, we cannot win. You don't do this either and we don't blame you for this. I have NEVER seen you guys attacking us in Outer Ring, when you did NOT have at least equal numbers or better guns ... so don't blame us for fighting your style.
And last not least for the event: If BoB would have let the fun to the people, who were intended to have fun, we might have had a nice battle. So the planing was not that bad (well except that your really rarely find Imperium in OR). But we had our contact and could clear up some things I hope and we will see, what the future brings.
Last not least: This is my PERSONAL opinion, not an offical statement as NORADs Minister of Defense.
Ban Tier
P.S.: Everyone who doubts, that we can and do fight BoB in Outer Ring, check BoBs killboard ... I am not saying, we are really hurting BoB in any way (not the numbers), I just say we fight and most of us do kills.
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Edited by: HeadWar on 17/11/2005 12:19:46 Now now, don't get this thread locked before you can all tell me how great my video editing skills are. 
Mordeur Fleet (with guest appearance of RaT)
To be honest, it's hardly edited at all, and I'm still very much a noob at all things Fraps related.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.11.17 12:34:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 17/11/2005 12:36:07
Originally by: Ban Tier
So the question for the reality check is, can you really settle all the space you call "your" own or are you only able to bring in a superior fleet if needed and terrorize the ppl try to live there ?
We are in a position to choose who gets to settle the space we call ours. It isn't a question of us living in all the systems we claim, why would we even want to do that? It would require diluting the pure PvP nature of BoB in order to show some 'legitimate' need for the regions we take.
I understand that NORAD was offered the chance to live in OR, but felt that they would be somehow be living in 'occupied' space and so declined. Was that a wise choice? In all honesty I think not. I can understand the reasons, but ultimately it is a case of pride over pragmatism. Effectively NORAD would have lost nothing. The would be in their 'home' region, doing what they do, with the added bonus of not wondering if BoB were going to cruise on by for a quick fight. Instead they are now an active target, to be hunted and killed. Not in some massive crusade, but as and when we feel it appropriate. Now they are doomed to live in fear, always looking over their shoulders, wondering when a strike will come. All in the name of pride.
I understood an alliance to be an organisation whos primary goal was to protect the safety and prosperity of its members. Some have the ability to do this through power projection, and others should pursue diplomacy. I feel that NORAD have ultimately failed their members. Sure the loyalty of those members, their patriotism, will have them fight to the death - but for what? They have nothing to gain and everything to lose.
Pride commeth before the fall.
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HeadWar
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Posted - 2005.11.17 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sun Ra
Originally by: HeadWar Edited by: HeadWar on 16/11/2005 22:13:38
Originally by: R31D MC got the real fight of the evening though - a spawn of NPC BS
You mean this? (There came even more of them after that, plus a Monolith. \o/)
(Un)fortunately, RaT warped in with a few battleships when we had just begun working on the NPCs, so we slugged it out with them, and then Oveur removed the NPCs. Good thing too, the buggers had me scrambled. 
Nice setup there :P
It's a Typhoon, it's bloody hard to give it a sensible setup for fleet battle. 
It's not that far behind a Tempest in damage output though, and it's very survivable. The remote rep has come in use more than once. (Between engagements.) Heavy launchers are kinda meh, but against an MWDing frig, they hurt quite a lot, enough to scare off even the most brazened tackler.
Despite all this, I have to admit I'm tempted to turn it into a super-heavy tackler instead. (Or just move my Tempest to a system where I might get to use it.)
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2005.11.17 13:21:00 -
[107]
Quote: but ultimately it is a case of pride over pragmatism.
The entire story of NORAD in one short and precise sentence.
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Gungankllr
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Posted - 2005.11.17 15:06:00 -
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I'd just like to take a moment to switch gears and thank the actors/event staff for taking the time to do the event at all.
They aren't even paid, are they? I mean, aren't they volunteers?
Would it kill even one of you to say thanks for trying?

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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.11.17 15:10:00 -
[109]
DAMN!!!  
Jasmine pretty much hit it on the head. I've been saving my real opinion on this for whatever 'interview' is being scheduled, but... yeah. Mordus are old. We're young. Time moves on and all that.  -
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2005.11.17 15:10:00 -
[110]
Possibly not. I'll see.
thanks for trying!
EURK!!!
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*silence*
*sounds of decomposition*
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.11.17 15:11:00 -
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Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 17/11/2005 15:15:00
Originally by: Gungankllr I'd just like to take a moment to switch gears and thank the actors/event staff for taking the time to do the event at all. They aren't even paid, are they? I mean, aren't they volunteers? Would it kill even one of you to say thanks for trying? 
I'm guessing Gungankllr that a lot of people appreciates volunteer time spent on these things (I certainly do) but then again a lot of people would be prepared to volunteer for aurora and do this volunteering themselves if they could get past the selection process. There isn't a lack of community will to help I assure you. Lots of people love Eve a lot, lots of people want to help, what frustrates people (in my corp especially) is that there doesn't seem to be a direct way to actually help these events suceed better aside from what we already do ... which is respond and act IC to IC play from aurora actors.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.11.17 15:14:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Seleene DAMN!!!  
Jasmine pretty much hit it on the head. I've been saving my real opinion on this for whatever 'interview' is being scheduled, but... yeah. Mordus are old. We're young. Time moves on and all that. 
Yeah I've been thinking about it Sel since I read about Mordu's smack-talking our patrol in Pureblind the other night from the safety of a RAZOR gang. Then I looked up their in-game stats and they are a local power with a tiny rating. Mordu's Legion
In Eve terms they are much less significant than any player corp or org that owns an outpost or has a network of POS and substantial member base. Thats real politic, if plot writers try to go against that they end up with egg on their faces really.
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Fred0
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Posted - 2005.11.17 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Gungankllr Would it kill even one of you to say thanks for trying?

No It wouldn't and some did. We can either try and help them get better or we can whine incessantly and beat our own chest about how much better we all are. Frankly though I would prefer the first one so we get a more exiting storyline and that's what oveur is aiming for anyway it seems.
Last night I did about 3 hours of preparation work and 2 hours participation in the event. I didn't fire a single shot but that's the way these things go. Storyline events are nigh on impossible to balance it seems. EVE is full of frustration, pretty astonishing how bad some of the BOB/MC are handling them tbh.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.11.17 16:11:00 -
[114]
"Hey, you're in the corp / alliance with the 'madman' stating that he wants to "take over the galaxy", remember?  "
It's Amarr thing i'd guess, they all seem to hold this opinion it's their god-given right to put everything in chains and own it -.o
then again, not like there's something wrong with the concept of owning everyting... ;s
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2005.11.17 16:13:00 -
[115]
Originally by: j0sephine "Hey, you're in the corp / alliance with the 'madman' stating that he wants to "take over the galaxy", remember?  "
It's Amarr thing i'd guess, they all seem to hold this opinion it's their god-given right to put everything in chains and own it -.o
then again, not like there's something wrong with the concept of owning everyting... ;s
Nor being put in chains for that matter 
dbp
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.11.17 16:25:00 -
[116]
"Nor being put in chains for that matter "
oi. am getting extra shift today again, ain't i... >>;
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.11.17 17:57:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Nah thats rubbish. From a RP point of view (I'm a roleplayer) the Mordu's Legion are nothing compared to Mercenary Coalition. I guess the difference is I think the background organisations have to live up to the example set by the player corporations and alliances the last couple of years. Tech has moved on, accomplishments have moved on. Mordu's "fame" is all in the past in ancient old wars.
They're an organisation that -owns- 6 systems. They're huge compared to the MC :)
The rest of your bla, i wont respond to.
Basically, any pf entity > any player entity (with the psosible exception of BoB
)
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.11.17 17:58:00 -
[118]
Originally by: j0sephine "Hey, you're in the corp / alliance with the 'madman' stating that he wants to "take over the galaxy", remember?  "
It's Amarr thing i'd guess, they all seem to hold this opinion it's their god-given right to put everything in chains and own it -.o
then again, not like there's something wrong with the concept of owning everyting... ;s
well, it IS our god-given right to own the universe :\
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.11.17 18:23:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Discorporation They're an organisation that -owns- 6 systems. They're huge compared to the MC :)
Define "own". Certainly doesn't stop anyone they are -10 to doing what they like in those systems. They only have sovereignty because of a concord glitch that doesn't allow them to be challenged by player POS. My argument against your point of view Discorp is basically you're holding PF entities above all player accomplishment and expecting me (and others) to respect them on it. Ain't going to happen mate 
Quote: The rest of your bla, i wont respond to.
You're loss its a free universe! (contrary to what Mordu's legion try unsuccessfully to tell us)
Quote: Basically, any pf entity > any player entity (with the psosible exception of BoB )
lol and now I know you're just messin with me 
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.11.17 18:33:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Originally by: Discorporation They're an organisation that -owns- 6 systems. They're huge compared to the MC :)
Define "own". Certainly doesn't stop anyone they are -10 to doing what they like in those systems. They only have sovereignty because of a concord glitch that doesn't allow them to be challenged by player POS. My argument against your point of view Discorp is basically you're holding PF entities above all player accomplishment and expecting me (and others) to respect them on it. Ain't going to happen mate 
Quote: The rest of your bla, i wont respond to.
You're loss its a free universe! (contrary to what Mordu's legion try unsuccessfully to tell us)
Quote: Basically, any pf entity > any player entity (with the psosible exception of BoB )
lol and now I know you're just messin with me 
Well if you saw the losses the angel cartel is taking in jita and surrounding systems... their fleets getting ganked/bbqed left and right and their shipyards(10/10 complexes being raided twice daily). I dont think any player alliance would be able to take those type of losses. You could infer the same about the mordus as their getting butchered in the millions daily, but it doesnt seem to phase them. Any Player alliance leader would be OMGWTFYOUNOOBS you lost WHAT to one BS?
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.11.17 18:39:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Define "own". Certainly doesn't stop anyone they are -10 to doing what they like in those systems. They only have sovereignty because of a concord glitch that doesn't allow them to be challenged by player POS. My argument against your point of view Discorp is basically you're holding PF entities above all player accomplishment and expecting me (and others) to respect them on it. Ain't going to happen mate 
'S coz RP reality and ingame reality are two entirely different things.
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Spul eM
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Posted - 2005.11.17 18:40:00 -
[122]
Originally by: HeadWar
Originally by: Sun Ra
Originally by: HeadWar Edited by: HeadWar on 16/11/2005 22:13:38
Originally by: R31D MC got the real fight of the evening though - a spawn of NPC BS
You mean this? (There came even more of them after that, plus a Monolith. \o/)
(Un)fortunately, RaT warped in with a few battleships when we had just begun working on the NPCs, so we slugged it out with them, and then Oveur removed the NPCs. Good thing too, the buggers had me scrambled. 
Nice setup there :P
It's a Typhoon, it's bloody hard to give it a sensible setup for fleet battle. 
It's not that far behind a Tempest in damage output though, and it's very survivable. The remote rep has come in use more than once. (Between engagements.) Heavy launchers are kinda meh, but against an MWDing frig, they hurt quite a lot, enough to scare off even the most brazened tackler.
Despite all this, I have to admit I'm tempted to turn it into a super-heavy tackler instead. (Or just move my Tempest to a system where I might get to use it.)
I think hes talking more about... the 1 jammer... the 1 tracking disruptor... and the 2 stabs...
and lol @ "its not that far behind a tempest."
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.11.17 18:42:00 -
[123]
Originally by: SengH
Well if you saw the losses the angel cartel is taking in jita and surrounding systems... their fleets getting ganked/bbqed left and right and their shipyards(10/10 complexes being raided twice daily). I dont think any player alliance would be able to take those type of losses. You could infer the same about the mordus as their getting butchered in the millions daily, but it doesnt seem to phase them. Any Player alliance leader would be OMGWTFYOUNOOBS you lost WHAT to one BS?
That's due to game design :)
Story-wise (as in, the universe that stories are written about, rather then the universe we're playing in (which is a game)) all thsoe agent missions, npc kills, complex killing doesn't happen, at least not so goddamned frequently. Story-wise, there are no 10K + npc kills per day in rens :)
That's whay I meant with PF entities being stronger then whatever player thingy you can come up with ('cept BoB ofc, I mean, duh) :))
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.11.17 18:59:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Spul eM I think hes talking more about... the 1 jammer... the 1 tracking disruptor... and the 2 stabs...
I've thought about it and I'm trying to figure out the problem for a fleet setup that's designed to work as part of a team... because that's what it is.  -
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HeadWar
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Posted - 2005.11.17 19:02:00 -
[125]
Edited by: HeadWar on 17/11/2005 19:07:03
Originally by: Spul eM
Originally by: HeadWar
Originally by: Sun Ra Nice setup there :P
It's a Typhoon, it's bloody hard to give it a sensible setup for fleet battle. 
It's not that far behind a Tempest in damage output though, and it's very survivable. The remote rep has come in use more than once. (Between engagements.) Heavy launchers are kinda meh, but against an MWDing frig, they hurt quite a lot, enough to scare off even the most brazened tackler.
Despite all this, I have to admit I'm tempted to turn it into a super-heavy tackler instead. (Or just move my Tempest to a system where I might get to use it.)
I think hes talking more about... the 1 jammer... the 1 tracking disruptor... and the 2 stabs...
and lol @ "its not that far behind a tempest."
-DrunkenOne
It's not a dedicated EW ship, but one jammer has the potiential to completely neutralize one of their Scorpions for 20 seconds. One tracking disruptor on a laser ship will completely remove that ship from the fight, assuming he's fitted crystals so he has his target just inside optimal. (If he hasn't, well, he's not doing much damage anyway.)
Two stabs, pretty much standard for any normal fleet setup, you don't want to lose your ship just because some tackler comes close when you're primary.
Damagewise, if you take into account that the Typhoon has much better optimal, allowing it to use heavier ammo for a given range, and two extra low slots available for damage mods (unless you have Advanced Weapons Upgrades at lvl 5, which I don't), you're looking at about 25% more DPS from a Tempest. It's a difference, sure, but I like to think that my Typhoon is a bit more versatile in a larger fleet, with it's cruise launcher, 2x heavy launchers and remote repairer. (Not to mention a massive drone bay.) As an added bonus, what self respecting FC would ever call a Typhoon primary? 
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2005.11.17 19:28:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Spul eM I think hes talking more about... the 1 jammer... the 1 tracking disruptor... and the 2 stabs...
I've thought about it and I'm trying to figure out the problem for a fleet setup that's designed to work as part of a team... because that's what it is. 
1 ECM = possible jam, 2 ECMs = almost gauranteed jam 1 Tracking Disuptor = maybe take a gunship out of the fight, 2 Tracking Disruptors = almost certainly take a gunship out of the fight 2 WCS = gimped damage output on an already mild damage dealer
Pick your strategy and be good at it, jack of all trades = master of none as the saying goes 
Eve Blacklight Style
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Darko1107
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Posted - 2005.11.17 19:28:00 -
[127]
Pff so much whining. You know you could always turn the game off, then go and do something a bit more worthy of your time, not asif you only logged in for the event. I doubt you would being doing anything else thats anymore constructive.
/Runs off very quickly.
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Somatic Neuron
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Posted - 2005.11.17 20:51:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: j0sephine Edited by: j0sephine on 16/11/2005 22:41:56
"I was watching and trying to get some good logs for comparison to one of our RMR optimizations and it wasn't very much big-bada-boom happening."
Did the logs by chance manage to get some of possible lag sources, there? It took some of us good 5 mins or more to actually load PF-346 after jumping into it, and there was ~120'ish people in local total (i.e. ~60-70 in the system before we went in) and none of them on the gate we arrived through... ^^;;
Actually, yes it did. I found some weird cases where I was getting huge packets from the server. I'm pretty sure it's the effects system sending me all the stuff happening in the scene I'm entering and we are reducing that traffic in RMR but I'd like to see some comparisons. We're also doing some tests on Sisi with some of the new big ships, to get good server logs too.
I wonder if it would help if the Devs actually watched a major fleet engagement like the one that was up in H-PA29 earlier this month. If so, perhaps you should talk to some of those alliance members and stage another one with some major monitoring going on (because I hear that the lag is much worse up in Venal and surrounding regions than anywhere else in 0.0 space) ---------- |

Calderio
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Posted - 2005.11.17 21:12:00 -
[129]
omg this sounds like a freaking awsome event, like the one we were in down in a2 awhile back only on a larger/funner scale ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2005.11.17 21:31:00 -
[130]
The main problem with the event from an OOC perspective was BoB. Granted, the biggest bane of event planning is gauging turnout (which is nearly impossible) - BoB could've had a small presence, NORAD could've no-showed, RAZOR could've no-showed etc. However, as it happens, everyone came in force - RAZOR fielded a fairly substantial fleet given its player count, as did NORAD, and BoB turned up with a good-sized blob too. I can just about see the point of bringing BoB in from a lag-testing perspective, but for the purposes of the event their presence was probably unnecessary and as it happens only complicated things - they're hostile to all other parties involved except Mordu's themselves, which would've led to a three-way fight if we'd met in 0.0.
As far as the actual event goes, my only suggestion would be that routes are mapped out more carefully in advance, with at least the op commander having systems in mind for key waypoints. A direct incursion into wholly NORAD-controlled space would've kept BoB out of the way and ensured everyone could engage rather than getting caught in Empire where mistakes happen and RZR could only sit around and pick up loot cans. Otherwise I thought the staff did very well with what they had to work with.
Finally, if the primary intention was just to test lag, then some kind of notification to the involved parties to, at the very least, expect large-scale combat with multiple hostile entities, would probably have helped things. Expecting to be fighting NORAD who are a roughtly equivalently-sized alliance and wanting a show of force, RZR bought quite a lot of shiny ships along to make a point. When you're flying something that goes for 150mil on the open market and only insures for 20m or so, you're less likely to engage a huge enemy blob than you would be if you'd come prepared to die quickly and flown T1 kit. It would probably also be nice if some kind of indication that this wasn't going to be an epic turning point in the history of the galaxy was given, so people didn't put themselves out quite so much for something that, while numbers-critical, isn't a huge priority for most people. I agree that meta-gaming and second-guessing event staff is usually fruitless at best but people were attributing last night "end-of-arc" status and expecting something really big, which in retrospect was clearly never on the cards
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Cabadrin
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Posted - 2005.11.17 21:44:00 -
[131]
Edited by: Cabadrin on 17/11/2005 21:44:14 Disregarding the fact that you noobs killed Mordu without me ( ) I just logged in and saw this:
News!
Eyeshadow! You made the front page! ________________________________________________
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Velsharoon
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Posted - 2005.11.17 22:27:00 -
[132]
they spelt frick wrong :/
GO GO NUB REPORTER
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HeadWar
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Posted - 2005.11.18 03:19:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Blacklight 1 ECM = possible jam, 2 ECMs = almost gauranteed jam 1 Tracking Disuptor = maybe take a gunship out of the fight, 2 Tracking Disruptors = almost certainly take a gunship out of the fight
1 Tracking Disruptor AND 1 ECM = two ships possibly out of the fight, one almost guaranteed.
You do the math.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.11.18 03:51:00 -
[134]
"I can just about see the point of bringing BoB in from a lag-testing perspective, but for the purposes of the event their presence was probably unnecessary and as it happens only complicated things - they're hostile to all other parties involved except Mordu's themselves, which would've led to a three-way fight if we'd met in 0.0."
Which could've been fun; i mean, 'tis not exactly *that* often one gets opportunity for 3-way ffa where every party involved has the force of comparable size ^^
as far as "why no one told us it's only lag test, not epic event" goes... i'd guess this was expected to be event first and foremost, with the lag recording being a side benefit. Since the event didn't pan out, the log records became about the only good thing out of it ^^;;;
just little disappointed personally things didn't work out, which seems to be mostly result of no coordination/ communication... i mean, if neither NORAD nor RAZOR knows what to expect from the BoB fleet roaming about, why not talk with the event staff and have them work out sensible arrangement through the roleplay, or at least find out through them what to expect... as opposed to everyone just dashing for safety of empire space. The way i see it, it really could've played out in number of ways, each adding more to the game than what actually happened :/
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Falconetta
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Posted - 2005.11.18 10:22:00 -
[135]
Originally by: DB Preacher
Let me give you some statistics from this month.
Since the 1st of November, we have took action on 32 Norad Battleships.
In the same time, a mere 1 BoB battleship has been destroyed.
dbp
I don't know who you're trying to convince about the trespassing issue since everyone know NORAD has been living in the Outer Ring for 2 years.
But I just wanted to point out Reverend Mitterak alone has lost 2 battleships in the timeframe you specify. Guess you have to whip your alliance folks into actually posting their death mails or people wont take your "we only lost xxx" claims seriously.
/F
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2005.11.18 11:12:00 -
[136]
Originally by: j0sephine "I can just about see the point of bringing BoB in from a lag-testing perspective, but for the purposes of the event their presence was probably unnecessary and as it happens only complicated things - they're hostile to all other parties involved except Mordu's themselves, which would've led to a three-way fight if we'd met in 0.0."
Which could've been fun; i mean, 'tis not exactly *that* often one gets opportunity for 3-way ffa where every party involved has the force of comparable size ^^
as far as "why no one told us it's only lag test, not epic event" goes... i'd guess this was expected to be event first and foremost, with the lag recording being a side benefit. Since the event didn't pan out, the log records became about the only good thing out of it ^^;;;
just little disappointed personally things didn't work out, which seems to be mostly result of no coordination/ communication... i mean, if neither NORAD nor RAZOR knows what to expect from the BoB fleet roaming about, why not talk with the event staff and have them work out sensible arrangement through the roleplay, or at least find out through them what to expect... as opposed to everyone just dashing for safety of empire space. The way i see it, it really could've played out in number of ways, each adding more to the game than what actually happened :/
Getting all three groups to engage simultaneously would be extremely trick, I suspect. Especially when both RAZOR and NORAD thought BoB was working with the enemy...
As to "why not just tell us it's a lag test", my point wasn't that it necessarily was a lag-test, but rather that there were decisions which I can only make sense of in terms of it being one; if it was, CCP should probably have told us, and if it wasn't, well, nothing personal but why in Hamalzah's name was BoB involved at all?
Point taken that there could have been negotiations (assuming we had the names of BoB CS); would you guys have actually played along and left us alone?
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.11.18 11:33:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Falconetta Guess you have to whip your alliance folks into actually posting their death mails or people wont take your "we only lost xxx" claims seriously.
/F
If you know of any losses which have not been posted, inform the contact for that corp.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.11.18 11:35:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Joerd Toastius ...nothing personal but why in Hamalzah's name was BoB involved at all?
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2005.11.18 14:38:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Joerd Toastius ...nothing personal but why in Hamalzah's name was BoB involved at all?
Location, location, location.
That includes by implication the question "What were we doing in BoB space?"
I'm not asking BoB why they got involved, I'm asking the Event staff (rhetorically) why a) BoB were notified and b) we were hunting in BoB space, because that doesn't seem consistent with either the goals of Mordu's Legion or the apparent purpose of the event.
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Lord Takani
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Posted - 2005.11.20 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: HeadWar Edited by: HeadWar on 17/11/2005 12:19:46 Now now, don't get this thread locked before you can all tell me how great my video editing skills are. 
Mordeur Fleet (with guest appearance of RaT)
To be honest, it's hardly edited at all, and I'm still very much a noob at all things Fraps related.
That's a lot of red crosses... And a monolith! \o/
Hahah what a song! what is the name of the song?
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