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Kahns
Ixion Defence Systems Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.15 23:16:00 -
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Hi all.
Just to introduce myself, I enjoy exploration and pvp, particularly small gang. I'm still relatively new, so feel free to criticize me to high hell. But I think some people might enjoy discussing the ship everyone has and no-one uses.
The Gnosis, that ship we were all gifted, has been kind of languishing in misuse. Jack of all trades, master of none, the critics say. It can be fitted for anything, but is it really good at anything? Sure, no one really knows what you've fitted it for, but you can't insure it, and it's going to be a primary target for all fleets if only due to its novelty. But I've been doing something dumb with it, and thus far it's been very successful. I've been using it for it's intended purpose. Exploration.
First off, the bonus towards probing helps. But it also has an insanely fast align time for a Battlecruiser. Throw some dad warp core stabilizers (blasphemy I know) on there, Inertia stabilizers, a cloak, the two analyzers, some large shield extenders to survive a bubble and you have one of the most survivable exploration ships out there. I've also thrown on a medium neut but I've never had to use it. And it can actually carry in it's hold all the loot you pick up! Add a medium emission scope sharpener and a medium memetic algorithm bank for hacking and it's a hell of a thing how fast you can roll through sites.
Just jump into each system, go to a safe or make one, drop probes, cloak, find sites, run them all, if someone comes align out or cloak, and repeat! You can make a boatload of isk and you can skip docking up after every site. Look, is it possible to lose it in a gatecamp if you don't know the area or respond quickly? Sure! Welcome to nullsec! But I haven't yet *knock on wood*. Is a covert ops frigate safer? Yes, but those tiny cargoholds suck for all the crap you get.
I get the impression this is rare setup because people are afraid to lose them. But seriously? They're not that expensive now that they all got dumped on the market, and you probably have one sitting around. Use it for its intended purpose! Explore! |

Jim Nightingale
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.16 02:03:00 -
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Coverts Ops ship is cheaper and far better in every way if you fit a cargo scanner.
Now, if you were talking about using the Gnosis in combat exploration site, that might be a different matter.
EDIT: Or is stealth bring your kitchen-sink-fitted Gnosis to low/null for me to shoot at thread? In which case, carry on. |

Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
371
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Posted - 2013.06.16 02:11:00 -
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Gnosis isn't as good as any other specialised ship in what it does, it's just good because it can literally do anything.
For combat, almost any other battlecruiser outperforms it and for pure exploration a covops frigate or even t1 scanning frigate is superior. |

Praxis Ginimic
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Posted - 2013.06.16 02:13:00 -
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The Gnosis can't hold its own in a 6/10. Cov-ops scan/hack/cloak better. A cruiser can solo a gnosis, hell a well skilled AF can solo gnosis.
Have fun |

Kahns
Ixion Defence Systems Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.16 02:39:00 -
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Not doing combat sites in it, that would be suicidal. Radar/archeology sites only. I understand the alternative is cov ops or scanning frigate, but a probe can hold 320 m3, a cheetah can only hold 200 m3. A Gnosis can hold 900 m3.
With the modules I suggested it's fairly hard to tackle if you're fast. The intention isn't to fight but to slip away to a safe, hense the dad stabs and inertia stabs. With good skills and adding rigs the lack of hacking bonuses don't matter. I think people are discounting how nice the extra cargo is for doing site after site.
Sure there are other ships with that cargo hold, but how many can align anywhere near as fast as a Gnosis? It can get away without getting tackled down.
If you hit a full on gate gamp you might be screwed, but maybe not. I've slipped through a few at this point. |

Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
371
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Posted - 2013.06.16 02:43:00 -
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you know how much the loot takes up in cargo space? Iirc it is minuscule and 900m3 is usually overkill for exploration.
All the other racial scanning frigates can also hold 400m3 so probably better choices over the probe. |

Kahns
Ixion Defence Systems Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.16 02:49:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:you know how much the loot takes up in cargo space? Iirc it is minuscule and 900m3 is usually overkill for exploration.
I don't have specific numbers. Some of it is big and worthless and I eject that but even the small stuff adds up. I'm talking about never docking and going long distances and hitting every site though, and then bringing it all home. I definitely hit my max space at some point on the Gnosis. |

Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
371
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Posted - 2013.06.16 02:52:00 -
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would rather just stick some cargo extenders in the lows of an imicus than run around in a gnosis still |

Kahns
Ixion Defence Systems Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.16 02:59:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:would rather just stick some cargo extenders in the lows of an imicus than run around in a gnosis still
Fair enough, although there goes all your lows and you're not going to get anywhere close to 900. Plus you have what, 2 mids? One for each analyzer and no MWD/AB? Do you actually do exploration in something like this? Because it sounds awful slowboating to each container, unless I'm missing something. The Gnosis has been working extremely well for what I'm doing and I think most people completely overlook it as an option. |

Kahns
Ixion Defence Systems Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.16 03:03:00 -
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Jim Nightingale wrote:Coverts Ops ship is cheaper and far better in every way if you fit a cargo scanner.
EDIT: Or is stealth bring your kitchen-sink-fitted Gnosis to low/null for me to shoot at thread? In which case, carry on.
A little of both, I'd be happy to shoot at more Gnosises, particularly if people fit them poorly. But I actually do think it's a great ship for running analyzer/data sites endlessly without stopping at the same time as being extremely hard to catch. |
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Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
371
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Posted - 2013.06.16 03:12:00 -
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Imicus has 4 mids, helios has 5 |

Kahns
Ixion Defence Systems Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.16 03:15:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Imicus has 4 mids, helios has 5
My bad, forgot they changed it. |

erg cz
Sliperer
7
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Posted - 2013.06.18 11:59:00 -
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I think Gnosis is good ship for traveling in High sec. With this fit:
[Gnosis, Gnosis Solo Exploration Missile] Damage Control II Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer
Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Purloined Sansha Data Analyzer 10MN Microwarpdrive II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Relic Analyzer I
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher Sisters Core Probe Launcher
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
5 x Hammerhead II // you can switch this to 10 x small scout drones like hobgoblins or warriors 4 x Hobgoblin II // defense against quick ships in close range Salvage Drone I
you can just jump from one high sec system to another one, doing all anomalies and signatures. It can quickly scan signatures and it has enough combat capabilities to do serious combat anomalies. |

Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2013.06.18 12:17:00 -
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erg cz wrote:I think Gnosis is good ship for traveling in High sec. With this fit:
[Gnosis, Gnosis Solo Exploration Missile] ... Purloined Sansha Data Analyzer ...
Nice fit cept this only fits on the echelon  |

Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1355
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Posted - 2013.06.18 16:11:00 -
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[quote=erg cz]I think Gnosis is good ship for traveling in High sec. With this fit:
[Gnosis, Gnosis Solo Exploration Missile]/quote]
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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
788
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Posted - 2013.06.18 20:21:00 -
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Quote:I don't have specific numbers. Some of it is big and worthless and I eject that but even the small stuff adds up. I'm talking about never docking and going long distances and hitting every site though, and then bringing it all home. I definitely hit my max space at some point on the Gnosis.
Decryptors are 1 m3. Pieces of salvage are .01 m3. Blueprints are .01 m3. All of the things that are remotely worth anything fall into one of those three categories.
The Cheetah, for example, has 200 m3 base cargo. You could carry 200 decryptors, or 20000 pieces of salvage, or 20000 blueprints. With the availability of cargo expanders, even this absurd amount of capacity could be expanded further.
There is absolutely no reason beyond wanting an expensive lossmail to use a gnosis for lowsec or nullsec exploration. |

Fluffi Flaffi
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.19 07:23:00 -
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Kahns wrote:Not doing combat sites in it, that would be suicidal. Radar/archeology sites only. I understand the alternative is cov ops or scanning frigate, but a probe can hold 320 m3, a cheetah can only hold 200 m3. A Gnosis can hold 900 m3.
And a Gnosis with 900m3 full of Radar / Archeology stuff inside will be a very juicy target Even if you just do HiSec sites. For sure!
CovOps Scanfrig is the way to go for so many reasons, except one: You don't have the skills. |

erg cz
Sliperer
7
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Posted - 2013.06.19 10:02:00 -
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Fluffi Flaffi wrote:
And a Gnosis with 900m3 full of Radar / Archeology stuff inside will be a very juicy target ;) Even if you just do HiSec sites.
Fair enough. Just one thing: 900 m3 allow wandering Gnosis user to bring a packed shuttle with him. And shuttle can be used as scout or delivery boy. Not to mention, that Gnosis is a very juicy target itself, so losing reproducable stuff is not the biggest pain. 6 medium slots give Gnosis possibility to utilise one or two more of new scanning toys, than a probing frigate can do. Big enough cargo space and advanced (though not perfect) combat capabilities allows to travel through high sec, bringing combat and explorer gear with you. Together with shuttle and loot from data and combat sites. Without need to go to the local trade hub too often. If you lose Gnosis in high sec - price of lost cargo and gear will not be the main reason to cry. As Gnosises will become more and more hard to get. For high sec tourist / explorer this ship provides unique combination of travel freedom since you do not have to come back to swap ships for all you want to do. As long as you stay out of PvP, of cause. |

Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
217
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Posted - 2013.06.19 18:37:00 -
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erg cz wrote:Fluffi Flaffi wrote:
And a Gnosis with 900m3 full of Radar / Archeology stuff inside will be a very juicy target ;) Even if you just do HiSec sites.
Fair enough. Just one thing: 900 m3 allow wandering Gnosis user to bring a packed shuttle with him. And shuttle can be used as scout or delivery boy. Not to mention, that Gnosis is a very juicy target itself, so losing reproducable stuff is not the biggest pain. 6 medium slots give Gnosis possibility to utilise one or two more of new scanning toys, than a probing frigate can do. Big enough cargo space and advanced (though not perfect) combat capabilities allows to travel through high sec, bringing combat and explorer gear with you. Together with shuttle and loot from data and combat sites. Without need to go to the local trade hub too often. If you lose Gnosis in high sec - price of lost cargo and gear will not be the main reason to cry. As Gnosises will become more and more hard to get. For high sec tourist / explorer this ship provides unique combination of travel freedom since you do not have to come back to swap ships for all you want to do. As long as you stay out of PvP, of cause. The Op was talking about low and null-sec though where the gonosis will die to any gate camp wheres as a covert ops frigate wont.
Shuttles are useless in null and low sec.
+ covert ops have bonuses for hacking and bigger bonuses for probing.
So gnosis vs cov ops: Pro: + Bigger cargo + Stylish
Con: - Cant cloak - Draws extra attention from PVPers - No hacking bonus - Smaller scanning bonus - Cant survive (bubbled) gate camps - Takes longer to align - Is slower
Coreli Corporation: Small gang PVP & Drug Production, Apply now! |

erg cz
Sliperer
8
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Posted - 2013.06.20 14:34:00 -
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Joshua Foiritain wrote: Con:
- Smaller scanning bonus
- Takes longer to align
With 6 medium slots you can put one or 2 more Scan Rangefinding Array II, than in covertops. So you can have bigger scan strength then amarr or minmatar cover ops. Or almost the same scaner strength as caldary or gallentian ones...
If I am right, then alignment time depends on the inertia modifier * mass of the vessel. Cover ops has it from 5 mio to 5,5 mio. Gnosis little over 3 mio. So it aligns almost twice as quick. Not speaking about 6 low slots, that can be filled with nanos to make it even better.
But with the rest you are absolutely right and this is more than enough reasons for me to stay in high sec, if I use Gnosis. And I use it, cause no other explorers ship can offer such combat capabilities, if I get bored by signatures.
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Barron Hammerstrike
RISK Inc.
34
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Posted - 2013.07.18 14:39:00 -
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Kahns wrote:...all the crap you get...
Exactly why hacking and archaeology sites are lame now. there is no old system anymore |

Tsukino Stareine
The Red Circle Inc.
501
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Posted - 2013.07.18 14:54:00 -
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erg cz wrote:Joshua Foiritain wrote: Con:
- Smaller scanning bonus
- Takes longer to align
With 6 medium slots you can put one or 2 more Scan Rangefinding Array II, than in covertops. So you can have bigger scan strength then amarr or minmatar cover ops. Or almost the same scaner strength as caldary or gallentian ones... If I am right, then alignment time depends on the inertia modifier * mass of the vessel. Cover ops has it from 5 mio to 5,5 mio. Gnosis little over 3 mio. So it aligns almost twice as quick. Not speaking about 6 low slots, that can be filled with nanos to make it even better. But with the rest you are absolutely right and this is more than enough reasons for me to stay in high sec, if I use Gnosis. And I use it, cause no other explorers ship can offer such combat capabilities, if I get bored by signatures.
inertia modifier also has to take the mass of the ship into account. The Gnosis is several hundred times more massive than a covops so will definitely align slower. |

Karash Amerius
Sutoka
117
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Posted - 2013.07.18 18:36:00 -
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Additionally, you want to fill up 900m3 of loot from Low and Null exploration sites? Talk about a Pinata....the cargo is actually a BIG con because it makes you think you can do romanticized "extended exploration operations"...but what it really does is just make your killmail even more expensive. Karash Amerius Operative, Sutoka |
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