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Onictus
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Posted - 2013.06.16 17:16:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:I could have sworn that the whole point of a T3 was that it's over-powered.... that's supposed what justifies buying a Cruiser that costs almost as much (when fully fitted) as a (naked) carrier.....
Back when you could get a carrier hull for 850-900 mil they were significantly cheaper if you factored insurance in. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise
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Posted - 2013.06.16 17:44:00 -
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We'll see what they do.
The average line ship T2 fit T3 isn't that unbalanced, what people complain most about are full pimped solo boats with a perfect T3 booster and pirate implants.
....but meh, if you have two accounts and the 3 billion to put into it, I say go with your bad self.
The 550mil fleet tengu isn't that big of a problem in comparison. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:49:00 -
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Nyancat Audeles wrote:Mr Kidd wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:Soldarius wrote:
A Legion fit with T2 trimark armor pumps can exceed 333kEHP, sigRad of only 99.5 meters, and still put out 400dps with HAMs. Or you can drop a 1600m plate and fit lasers for better damage projection but much less tank (only 218k EHP). Oh, did I mention it still has 3 spare midslots after a prop mod for EWAR, cap booster, whatever?
Yes that is true... If you have links and your head is plugged in with 3 - 4 Billion isk worth of Implants. And a Double Plated HAM legion can get over 600dps. It amazes me that people are using extreme cases where people are blinging their ships into cap cost territory to use as examples for nerfs. It's ridiculous. This, and people who have too much ISK to dump everywhere saying that "cost is not a balancing factor"...
If cost wasn't a balancing factor we would all be running around in machs and vindis out in null sec.
...except no one want to pay for the lost of 120 vindi's at a time, for a cool 2 bill a whop. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:54:00 -
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Nyancat Audeles wrote:
This. The people that will be hurt the MOST by the T3 nerf will be the people who PvE, the people in wormholes, the people in incursions... the nullsec cartels will simply move on to another FOTM and when that gets too expensive, have that nerfed too...
I heard that PvEer can adjust to the next FoTM.....
Personally I tend to choose the best ship for the job when in carebrear mode, whatever that may be.
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Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2013.06.21 16:09:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Nyancat Audeles wrote:T3s are not overpowered, but HACs are UNDERPOWERED! So we should buff HACs to be more powerful than T3s? Would that really be healthy for the game? It would create tiny monsters who are called the "Power Creeps". They are related to Cavity Creeps but are immune to Floride based toothpastes.
long as we have the attack battlecruiser HACs basically have no role.
has very little to do with the T3s. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:38:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Onictus wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Nyancat Audeles wrote:T3s are not overpowered, but HACs are UNDERPOWERED! So we should buff HACs to be more powerful than T3s? Would that really be healthy for the game? It would create tiny monsters who are called the "Power Creeps". They are related to Cavity Creeps but are immune to Floride based toothpastes. long as we have the attack battlecruiser HACs basically have no role. has very little to do with the T3s. ABCs own the sniper role but HACs can do more than snipe.
Vaga goes fast, muninn arrrrrrrrmmmmmmmor hacks....our shield.
Caldari, .....
Gallente.....well ishtar is good to bat in
The zealot is cool, the sacliage...it's meh.....I've only ever really tinkered around with the sac though.
You either snipe or they are basically anti bombers for real fleets. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2013.06.26 04:59:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:
Confirming a cloaky bubble immune cruiser with near BS EHP and decent DPS is not useful for pvp.
You ever fit one of these? Because across the board covert reconfiguration and interdiction nullifiers kill tank and dps. The only T3 that maintains passable damage and tank is the Proteus, for all of 10km.
The rest are significantly gimped, the Tengu falls to around 85k eHP (without blinging) and only has four launchers, so with heavies you are talking like 250dps with T2 ammo and perfect skills (I don't know exactly I don't have one fit up) granted they are a pain to tag down, but they aren't threatening.
The Solo 100mn tengu was put down like a dog with the HML nerf again, 5 launchers, requires a perfect boosting alt AND a pimped fit....and a caracal hits harder. it also turns like a boat, so if you died to a 100mn Tengu, you should have buggered off
Most of the T3s in null sec are basically used as recons with a **** off tank.
Tengu fleets aren't even that common, because you need 150 to do enough damage to break battleship tanks, adn with HAMs you have to be right in their face to do it. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise
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Posted - 2013.06.27 02:07:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:
Yes. Fit them often. They are not battleships, theyre not unspecialized fleet ships, theyre extremely awesome cruisers for situational pvp. If you think they suck cloaky nullified you're not using them correctly.
Also if you need 150 Tengus to break a BS tank you need to revisit how you fit them oo
BTW I never said theyre OP, theyre about right imo.
I was talking about HML, and trust me I've spent a hell of a lot of time sitting in them. Welped and been welphed in entire fleets of them for that.
I'm not talking about a bubble camp here, I'm talking full fleets duking it out. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2013.09.06 05:59:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:Onomerous wrote:Each T3 seems to do a slightly different 'thing' best. Depending on what you are trying to do, pick the T3 of choice. It seems balancing to some people means that all T3s should be fairly equal at all roles. If that is the case, why have different races, weapons, etc.? and thus we arrived to the crux of the problem: how to make T3's useable and attractive while maintaining them balanced vs other ships, keeping the (apparent) flexibility of T3's, while maintaining them exotic enough between themselves and all the other ship classes. Caveat:
- they are, in the end, cruisers and thus should be balanced around that paradigm.
- no, cost is not a damn balance factor.
- yes, they are an important (the main) factor on the wormhole economy viability, so better not screw this up.
altho hard, considering the fact that T2's are next, and then only CCP will touch T3's, there will be some time to fix them. perhaps next year's summer expansion only, altho I wish they would be fixed together with the entire T2 cruiser class, as to keep things a bit more coherent.
Judging by the HAC changes, I have doubts about the T3s hopefully they change the skill tree so I can get the SP for the three I can fly back.
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Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise
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Posted - 2013.09.06 08:32:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:Cost is a result of supply and demand. It's also a result of manufacturing requirements which are decided by CCP after the ships have been rebalanced. Show me a single F&I thread where CCP have said they want a ship to cost a certain price and so they need to adjust the stats to suit the price range.
So ummm why do you think BS AND BC prices jumped...
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Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2013.09.06 08:40:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Which price jump are you referring to? Prices jump all the time.
The build requirements that doubled the prices of the cbcs, abd pushed the former tier 1 battleships up 60 mil.
That was a misquote that is to annoying to fix on a phone. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2013.09.06 08:58:00 -
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Not a chance. This is the risk you take when you chase the fotm.
You mean train alliance doctrine?
Because you know, your alliance uses recon T3s with all doctrines.....and has both Tengu and Loki specific fleet doctrines.
My last alliance used basically nothing but Tengu for a year, and the hell with flying full time logi.
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Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise
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Posted - 2013.09.06 09:03:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Onomerous wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Making the cost of a ship appropriate to its performance doesn't mean ships are balanced around their cost. And up is not up since it is really down? Or left is not left but really right? Your comment doesn't make any sense. Faction noob ships. 'nuff said.
You know there is a sansha nub ship out there.
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