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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1916
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Posted - 2013.06.17 16:25:00 -
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Niko medes wrote:The man killed a chieftain in a Minmatar cultural festival, and lest we forget he killed numerous others as well. Let the Minmatar have their justice. It boggles my mind sometimes why my own kind whine over things like this.
"Justice is the only thing that was served here. To extend this trial for the sake of allowing the accused to offer an ineffective defense would have made it a mockery."
Well said Shakor, the man had his chance.. no need to let the man live any longer for his atrocities.
This. All of my this. Who cares if he was killed? He didn't deserve any mercy.
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Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
673
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Posted - 2013.06.17 16:44:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Niko medes wrote:The man killed a chieftain in a Minmatar cultural festival, and lest we forget he killed numerous others as well. Let the Minmatar have their justice. It boggles my mind sometimes why my own kind whine over things like this.
"Justice is the only thing that was served here. To extend this trial for the sake of allowing the accused to offer an ineffective defense would have made it a mockery."
Well said Shakor, the man had his chance.. no need to let the man live any longer for his atrocities. This. All of my this. Who cares if he was killed? He didn't deserve any mercy. I do not have a problem with him being executed. Anyone with sense could see the decision to extradite was a death sentence in the short term. I will shed no tears over Broteau's death, nor would I shed them for any of his ilk. I have far more important things to do that over.
I do, however, find the second trial itself to have been entirely unnecessary. As has been stated multiple times before in this thread and others, anyone who expected another result from such a trial was naive and fooling themselves at best.
That is what the "show" was. Holding a trial when it did not need to be held. The Federation knew Broteau was dead the moment he was transferred to the Republic and taken across the border. The Republic knew this. Everyone else knew this.
So why waste money on a trial where everything is predetermined? Why allow him to breathe the air that he has no business breathing, even for the two days it took to go through the trial and then execute him?
If it would have been so insulting to the Republic to allow him to live long enough to provide an "ineffective defense", surely it is just as insulting to have made him, the victims and everyone else watch a trial that was scripted as a holovision series, rather than just getting it over and done with as quickly as possible?
If nothing else, at least this part of things is over and done with. It would be nice to move on and try and deal with the rest. Morwen Lagann Director, Tyrathlion Interstellar |

Steffanie Saissore
The Order of the Ebon Rose
40
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Posted - 2013.06.17 16:44:00 -
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What has been done, has been done and we can agree or disagree with the handling of the situation till we're a blue in the face.
What saddens me the most is, the more this conversation continues, the more attention is given to a terrorist and his action than to the unfortunate victims, survivors, and their families.
Both sides, Republic and Federation, have, by all estimates, done a poor job of handling the situation from the start. Instead of crying foul and pointing fingers, let us take a moment to learn from the mistakes made and move forward.
Remember the fallen. "When we are young, wandering the face of the Earth, wondering what our dreams might be worth, learning that we're only immortal for a limited time." |

Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1917
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Posted - 2013.06.17 16:49:00 -
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Honor those gone by learning lesson's from that which took them from us, and never allow them to repeat. Whether it be about security or simply reaching across the stars to actually talk with each other in partnership.
I'll wash my hands of this before it becomes a debate about who knows what and end with this;
May the Ten guide those who died in sorrow through their cultivated Facets, and may they be given a new lease on existence to rejoin us here in a happier life.
Let it be true.
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Derin Phobos
Sky Fighters Mass Overload
0
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Posted - 2013.06.17 17:28:00 -
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iyammarrok wrote:
In recent years the Federation has been 'invaded' three times, None of these events have resulted in a counter-invasion. Not when the Amarr or Caldari attacked us with MUCH larger forces. So why, in the name of sanity, would we attack the Republic for sending a much smaller fleet under FAR more emotionally charged circumstances?
While what you say is technically true, examining the specifics of those invasions yields some interesting data.
1. The Caldari invasion: The response came in the way of the Empyrean War. Whether or not a Gallente counter-invasion would have occurred if the four empires had not agreed to CONCORD's capsuleer proxy war is a matter for some debate, but once that war began, a conventional attack was out of the question. There is also the fact that the Gallente Navy was in a state of turmoil at the time, and in no position to launch such an offensive.
2. The "Amarr" invasion: Calling this an invasion by the Amarr Empire is laughably misleading. It was known before the first shots were ever fired that it was a private navy, one that was confiscated like a child's toy by the Amarrian Empress. Launching an invasion of Amarr space would have been seen as a massive overreaction, and likely gained the ire of CONCORD.
So, neither of these cases truly reflect recent times, where a power and revitalized Gallente Navy was invaded by a legitimate foreign state just far enough to have their sovereignty massively infringed, but not far enough to have suffered a serious blow. |

Endeavour Starfleet
881
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Posted - 2013.06.17 17:37:00 -
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Niko medes wrote:The man killed a chieftain in a Minmatar cultural festival, and lest we forget he killed numerous others as well. Let the Minmatar have their justice. It boggles my mind sometimes why my own kind whine over things like this.
"Justice is the only thing that was served here. To extend this trial for the sake of allowing the accused to offer an ineffective defense would have made it a mockery."
Well said Shakor, the man had his chance.. no need to let the man live any longer for his atrocities.
So to "Let them have their justice" We just have to forget about the fact that the Federation was INVADED and thousands of Federation Navy personnel killed. Have their justice to continue to insult Federation legal systems trying and sentencing a man who killed federation citizens.
So the rouge Republic gets to have its justice and screw everyone who died by their hand to get it and screw their allies is that correct?
No. There must be a response to this. |

Endeavour Starfleet
881
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Posted - 2013.06.17 17:41:00 -
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Steffanie Saissore wrote:What has been done, has been done and we can agree or disagree with the handling of the situation till we're a blue in the face.
What saddens me the most is, the more this conversation continues, the more attention is given to a terrorist and his action than to the unfortunate victims, survivors, and their families.
Both sides, Republic and Federation, have, by all estimates, done a poor job of handling the situation from the start. Instead of crying foul and pointing fingers, let us take a moment to learn from the mistakes made and move forward.
Remember the fallen.
The Federation did not invade their allies and kill their military. Please do not compare the response of the Federation which by all estimates have been amazingly patient to that of the savagery of the Republic that now considers their allies sovereignty optional.
This conversation will continue and hopefully the Federation will take action against our so called "Friends" because it must. |

Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
5
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Posted - 2013.06.17 17:43:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:So to "Let them have their justice" We just have to forget about the fact that the Federation was INVADED and thousands of Federation Navy personnel killed. Have their justice to continue to insult Federation legal systems trying and sentencing a man who killed federation citizens.
So the rouge Republic gets to have its justice and screw everyone who died by their hand to get it and screw their allies is that correct?
No. There must be a response to this. As far as I'm concerned, that was all [i]part[/] of the justice, not separate from it. A poisonous ally is no ally at all. Perhaps Shakor recognizes this, even if he lacks the political capital to survive cutting that tie just yet. Strike us like matches, 'cause everyone deserves the flames. [email protected] - OOC Forums for EVE's RP Community |

Cipher7
Colelie Victims Relief Fund
87
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Posted - 2013.06.17 17:48:00 -
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Rioghal Morgan wrote:Cipher7 wrote:10 pages of whining about Coleile (again) in 3....2......1..... Yes, how dare we be upset at being backstabbed. How dare we!
Mr Morgan,
Commentators on the Colelie incident generally come in two flavors. People who genuinely care about our two peoples and the state of Gallente-Minmatar relations, and "others" assorted haters, state paramilitaries, slavers etc.
To the former, I share your dismay and sadness. We should let diplomacy take its course.
To the latter, no amount of dialogue is going to make a difference.
My comment was for the second group.
Thank you |

Endeavour Starfleet
881
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Posted - 2013.06.17 17:50:00 -
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Funny that you consider the Federation that has done so much to help the people of the Republic a "Poisonous ally" I doubt that any other group would have taken an invasion and killing of its military as some kind of misunderstanding that could be potentially solved by giving the invaders what they want later on. |

Cipher7
Colelie Victims Relief Fund
88
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Posted - 2013.06.17 18:01:00 -
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Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:Ignore Cypher. He's an armchair chickenhawk who neither feels strongly enough about anything to fight for it in a militia nor operate from a corporation not covered under CONCORD special protections. It is only by hiding behind the Sebiestor Tribe corporation's unassailable position that he feels secure enough to issue his poorly reasoned screed-ettes. In effect he is a child running around saying "Pay attention to me! Pay attention to me!" while the adults talk.
Would you care to make a donation to the Colelie Victims Relief Fund?
All donations go to space operations in support of anyone affected by the Colelie incident.
Thank you |

Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
5
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Posted - 2013.06.17 18:01:00 -
[72] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Funny that you consider the Federation that has done so much to help the people of the Republic a "Poisonous ally" I doubt that any other group would have taken an invasion and killing of its military as some kind of misunderstanding that could be potentially solved by giving the invaders what they want later on. Why wouldn't they? The Federation gains so much by keeping to Republic blue to them:
- They benefit from injections of art and culture from our artistically and culturally superiors Tribes.
- They have a more martially proficient ally at their beck and call.
- They gain a major, friendly trade partner and a woefully open market for their trashy music and smutty daytime holodramas which invariably flop in the State and the Empire.
- As long as the slaver is looking at us, he isn't looking at them - which is really the core of it.
So why wouldn't the Federation let that whole "you killed lots of people today" thing go? It's not as if they're any better than the Caldari in terms of the government caring about individual citizens' lives. Strike us like matches, 'cause everyone deserves the flames. [email protected] - OOC Forums for EVE's RP Community |

Steffanie Saissore
The Order of the Ebon Rose
43
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Posted - 2013.06.17 18:02:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Steffanie Saissore wrote:What has been done, has been done and we can agree or disagree with the handling of the situation till we're a blue in the face.
What saddens me the most is, the more this conversation continues, the more attention is given to a terrorist and his action than to the unfortunate victims, survivors, and their families.
Both sides, Republic and Federation, have, by all estimates, done a poor job of handling the situation from the start. Instead of crying foul and pointing fingers, let us take a moment to learn from the mistakes made and move forward.
Remember the fallen. The Federation did not invade their allies and kill their military. Please do not compare the response of the Federation which by all estimates have been amazingly patient to that of the savagery of the Republic that now considers their allies sovereignty optional. This conversation will continue and hopefully the Federation will take action against our so called "Friends" because it must.
I did not condone the Republic's handling of the situation at all. However, the Federation cannot simply turn around and invade the Republic. The majority of our fleet is already on alert because of the events in Caldari. To turn around and create another situation simply to appease our apparently bruised ego is not worth the lives that will be sacrificed...and for what gain?
Nation-level politics cannot be played tit-for-tat. I do not agree with the lack of response on the Federation's part regarding the invasion, but that said, an invasion into Minmatar is a fool's errand.
The unfortunate thing here is, not one of us knows what goes on behind the closed doors of the diplomats. I do not like it, but I understand the need for backroom dealings.
Fact of the matter is, the Federation does in fact need the alliance with Minmatar. You are, of course, free to express your dislike and contempt for the whole situation..that is a right you have in the Federation. Now, carefully think about that and consider this: would you rather be in a collar and being preached to or working on the assembly line and wearing a grey uniform in some megacorp? "When we are young, wandering the face of the Earth, wondering what our dreams might be worth, learning that we're only immortal for a limited time." |

Endeavour Starfleet
882
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Posted - 2013.06.17 18:09:00 -
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We can't have allies who consider our sov to be optional. War should be on the table even if it ends up being a limited counter-attack. If we outright say "Nope we love our allies and would never do anything to respond to them invading us and killing us" They will have zero reason to take anything else we do seriously and will feel free to kill more when it suits their fancy. Even tho they claim their fight is with the holders.
There are other, better ways to get a proper response from them. Yet if they don't respond to them war may be the only way to preserve Federation sov and to show that being an ally comes with responsibility. |

Andrea Okazon
Knavery Inc. StructureDamage
41
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Posted - 2013.06.17 18:36:00 -
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Havohej wrote:Why wouldn't they? The Federation gains so much by keeping to Republic blue to them:
- They benefit from injections of art and culture from our artistically and culturally superiors Tribes.
- They have a more martially proficient ally at their beck and call.
- They gain a major, friendly trade partner and a woefully open market for their trashy music and smutty daytime holodramas which invariably flop in the State and the Empire.
- As long as the slaver is looking at us, he isn't looking at them - which is really the core of it.
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Holy crap, it's Matar's answer to DK. |

Cipher7
Colelie Victims Relief Fund
90
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Posted - 2013.06.17 18:37:00 -
[76] - Quote
Who's DK?
Nevermind, I get it. |

Derin Phobos
Sky Fighters Mass Overload
3
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Posted - 2013.06.17 18:46:00 -
[77] - Quote
Andrea Okazon wrote:Havohej wrote:Why wouldn't they? The Federation gains so much by keeping to Republic blue to them:
- They benefit from injections of art and culture from our artistically and culturally superiors Tribes.
- They have a more martially proficient ally at their beck and call.
- They gain a major, friendly trade partner and a woefully open market for their trashy music and smutty daytime holodramas which invariably flop in the State and the Empire.
- As long as the slaver is looking at us, he isn't looking at them - which is really the core of it.
. Holy crap, it's Matar's answer to DK.
2 of 4. Collect the whole set. |

Niko medes
Sonoran Shadow
81
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Posted - 2013.06.17 19:19:00 -
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Morwen Lagann wrote:Anslo wrote:Niko medes wrote:The man killed a chieftain in a Minmatar cultural festival, and lest we forget he killed numerous others as well. Let the Minmatar have their justice. It boggles my mind sometimes why my own kind whine over things like this.
"Justice is the only thing that was served here. To extend this trial for the sake of allowing the accused to offer an ineffective defense would have made it a mockery."
Well said Shakor, the man had his chance.. no need to let the man live any longer for his atrocities. This. All of my this. Who cares if he was killed? He didn't deserve any mercy. I do not have a problem with him being executed. Anyone with sense could see the decision to extradite was a death sentence in the short term. I will shed no tears over Broteau's death, nor would I shed them for any of his ilk. I have far more important things to do that over. I do, however, find the second trial itself to have been entirely unnecessary. As has been stated multiple times before in this thread and others, anyone who expected another result from such a trial was naive and fooling themselves at best. That is what the "show" was. Holding a trial when it did not need to be held. The Federation knew Broteau was dead the moment he was transferred to the Republic and taken across the border. The Republic knew this. Everyone else knew this. So why waste money on a trial where everything is predetermined? Why allow him to breathe the air that he has no business breathing, even for the two days it took to go through the trial and then execute him? If it would have been so insulting to the Republic to allow him to live long enough to provide an "ineffective defense", surely it is just as insulting to have made him, the victims and everyone else watch a trial that was scripted as a holovision series, rather than just getting it over and done with as quickly as possible? If nothing else, at least this part of things is over and done with. It would be nice to move on and try and deal with the rest.
I personally see the very fact they had a trial at all is a kind gesture to our sensitive culture and legal system. Sure it probably was a waste of time and resources, I have a feeling the Minmatar tribes would agree with your statement. None the less, execution is a powerful tool, it is part of their culture. They used an aspect of our culture and mixed it with their own beliefs, I see that as a show of respect if anything.
The very fact the Gallente politicians were insulted by what occurred shows how unbelievably blind we are as a people. "Do it our way or no way at all" is a mentality that will destroy us and isn't Gallente in the slightest. Lets not turn the Minmatar into another race who vows to destroy our civilization.
My two cents again I suppose.
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Endeavour Starfleet
882
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Posted - 2013.06.17 19:24:00 -
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We don't have to turn anyone. They already are killing our people. |

Andrea Okazon
Knavery Inc. StructureDamage
42
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Posted - 2013.06.17 19:28:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:We don't have to turn anyone. They already are killing our people.
And we killed them right back. The incursion at Colelie was a stupid, awful decision, but let's be clear here. To all those who are saying "We must respond!" ... we did respond.
15 dreadnaughts jumped into Federation space. No dreadnaughts jumped out. That's a response.
Further responses should be at the level of diplomats, officers and politicians making sure this does not happen again. Do any of us have any clear data as to whether or not this is happening? Are we assuming that nothing is happening? |

Niko medes
Sonoran Shadow
82
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Posted - 2013.06.17 19:36:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Niko medes wrote:The man killed a chieftain in a Minmatar cultural festival, and lest we forget he killed numerous others as well. Let the Minmatar have their justice. It boggles my mind sometimes why my own kind whine over things like this.
"Justice is the only thing that was served here. To extend this trial for the sake of allowing the accused to offer an ineffective defense would have made it a mockery."
Well said Shakor, the man had his chance.. no need to let the man live any longer for his atrocities. So to "Let them have their justice" We just have to forget about the fact that the Federation was INVADED and thousands of Federation Navy personnel killed. Have their justice to continue to insult Federation legal systems trying and sentencing a man who killed federation citizens. So the rouge Republic gets to have its justice and screw everyone who died by their hand to get it and screw their allies is that correct? No. There must be a response to this.
Yes, exactly that. Let them have their justice. What happened at Colelie was an incredibly unfortunate misunderstanding. We are a culture that isn't of vengeance or revenge. Should we ever become one it'd be a start to yet another sad age beget by very own arrogance. Minmatar are not Caldari and a senseless, vengeful war, would perhaps be the end of both of our beautiful cultures and civilizations.
The Federation Navy personnel at Colelie fought and died against a small sect of Minmatar who were hellbent on achieving justice, we feared and made a decision. That decision was a tragic one. They died with honor believing they were protecting Gallente from an impending invasion, leave it at that. For you to accuse the entire Minmatar of one fleets actions is a massive dishonor to what both sides were trying to do on that fatefilled day.
Remember what happened, honor the Gallente dead and turn the cheek. Minmatar are a good people with a culture much different than ours. We should have enough sense to understand before we are understood. |

Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1093
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Posted - 2013.06.17 19:43:00 -
[82] - Quote
Niko medes wrote: Yes, exactly that. Let them have their justice. What happened at Colelie was an incredibly unfortunate misunderstanding. We are a culture that isn't of vengeance or revenge. Should we ever become one it'd be a start to yet another sad age beget by very own arrogance. Minmatar are not Caldari and a senseless, vengeful war, would perhaps be the end of both of our beautiful cultures and civilizations.
The Federation Navy personnel at Colelie fought and died against a small sect of Minmatar who were hellbent on achieving justice, we feared and made a decision. That decision was a tragic one. They died with honor believing they were protecting Gallente from an impending invasion, leave it at that. For you to accuse the entire Minmatar of one fleets actions is a massive dishonor to what both sides were trying to do on that fatefilled day.
Remember what happened, honor the Gallente dead and turn the cheek. Minmatar are a good people with a culture much different than ours. We should have enough sense to understand before we are understood.
No, Minmatar are NOT Caldari. We, at least, had a valid causus belli when we invaded Luminaire. |

Steffanie Saissore
The Order of the Ebon Rose
49
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Posted - 2013.06.17 19:46:00 -
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Captain Starfleet...I am curious to see where this goes, so I must ask: let us say that declaring war on the Minmatar is the right course of action for what they did. What is the point of the war then?
Are we going in to take territory away from them? Or their ability to manufacture ship hulls? What is the objective of this war that you want waged? If it is simply to rattle our sabers, beat our chests, and show how tough we are because we're going to kick someone's ass for coming into our backyard, then you have already lost.
War should never be entered into hastily or in the heat of the moment. Without purpose, you will be sacrificing material and people in a pointless effort.
"When we are young, wandering the face of the Earth, wondering what our dreams might be worth, learning that we're only immortal for a limited time." |

Endeavour Starfleet
882
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Posted - 2013.06.17 19:55:00 -
[84] - Quote
Targeting military production would be a better response than taking territory in my opinion. Weaken them and once the Amarr press they will beg to come to the table.
It will show the entire cluster that once other options are exhausted (This assumes we cut ties first without result from them) We WILL fight back.
Then again it likely will not come to that. If we simply end our alliance and let the Amarr press even that advantage they will come to the table. Then after they agree to full reparations to the federation families that suffer without their loved ones due to the attack and apologize for betraying our good will by spitting on our judicial system we can THINK about restarting the alliance. |

James Syagrius
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly
440
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Posted - 2013.06.17 22:58:00 -
[85] - Quote
Steffanie Saissore wrote:What has been done, has been done and we can agree or disagree with the handling of the situation till we're a blue in the face.
What saddens me the most is, the more this conversation continues, the more attention is given to a terrorist and his action than to the unfortunate victims, survivors, and their families.
Both sides, Republic and Federation, have, by all estimates, done a poor job of handling the situation from the start. Instead of crying foul and pointing fingers, let us take a moment to learn from the mistakes made and move forward.
Remember the fallen. You are most willing to forgive MaGÇÖdame Saissore, one wonders if when GÇ£remembering the fallenGÇ¥ you will consider who killed them.
GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
http://syagrius-eve.blogspot.com/
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James Syagrius
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly
440
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Posted - 2013.06.17 23:01:00 -
[86] - Quote
Steffanie Saissore wrote: Fact of the matter is, the Federation does in fact need the alliance with Minmatar.
This MaGÇÖdame is a GÇ£factGÇ¥ I challenge you to prove. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
http://syagrius-eve.blogspot.com/
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Shintoko Akahoshi
Kabuki TransSolar
208
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Posted - 2013.06.17 23:27:00 -
[87] - Quote
Niko medes wrote:What happened at Colelie was an incredibly unfortunate misunderstanding. We are a culture that isn't of vengeance or revenge.
This is perhaps the most ludicrous thing I've read all day. An incredibly unfortunate misunderstanding?
For your own education, I'd recommend you pick up any book on the first Gallente-Caldari war. You will find many cases where the Federation undertook actions specifically for the purpose of vengeance or revenge.
As a culture, the Federation may aim to rise above vengeance and revenge - at least where appropriate. Perhaps your own personal views are that we shouldn't take actions with that purpose. It's naive of you to assume that either of those ideas automatically apply to the Federation as a whole.
Niko medes wrote:The Federation Navy personnel at Colelie fought and died against a small sect of Minmatar who were hellbent on achieving justice, we feared and made a decision. That decision was a tragic one. They died with honor believing they were protecting Gallente from an impending invasion, leave it at that. For you to accuse the entire Minmatar of one fleets actions is a massive dishonor to what both sides were trying to do on that fatefilled day.
That small sect, by the way, goes by the name "The Republic Fleet". No matter how you couch this, you won't be able to change the fact that it was the Navy of the Republic which invaded, nor that it was they who fired first.
Niko medes wrote:Remember what happened, honor the Gallente dead and turn the cheek. Minmatar are a good people with a culture much different than ours. We should have enough sense to understand before we are understood.
The Minmatar are a good people with a culture much different than our own. The Republic, on the other hand, is an entirely different animal. In its current form, led by Shakor, it has shown itself to be a loose cannon of a state.
Honor the Federation dead and turn the cheek? Without even a public admission of wrongdoing on the part of the Republic? Without a Republic apology to the friends and families of those Federation dead, and to the Federation as a whole? Without any attempt on the part of the Republic to show that we could expect that something like this would never happen again?
Captain medes, doing so would not honor them. It would merely mean that they would have died for nothing.
Let the Republic stand alone. It's obviously what they want. Bio and writing |

Endeavour Starfleet
884
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Posted - 2013.06.18 01:45:00 -
[88] - Quote
I am glad I am not the only one that was rechecking the fluid routers when I actually heard "unfortunate misunderstanding" coming from that Republic apologist.
If the battle was SOMEHOW a misunderstanding the Republic would not have allowed a verdict later on that spit in the face of Federation good will.
It was not a misunderstanding at all. |

Erys Charantes
University of Caille Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.06.18 02:48:00 -
[89] - Quote
A dreadnought flotilla crossing a border and opening fire on that nations military is not a mistake... It's somebody looking for a fight. 'Gunboat diplomacy' only tends to end in anything but war when you significantly outpower the entity you're trying it with... And the Federation certainly isn't low on the scales of power.
If ANYONE who decided to order this ill advised effort thought it would end in any way but badly, they were either delusional, or on narcotics. Those of you who know me, know I'm no nationalist... But I have a great respect for facts. And right now, the fact is, the Gallente Federation can stand on its own. Can the Republic do the same? |

Vikarion
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
519
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Posted - 2013.06.18 02:49:00 -
[90] - Quote
Niko medes wrote:We are a culture that isn't of vengeance or revenge.
Millions of dead Caldari over the last three hundred years might take exception to that. Oh, and you don't even need a good reason - the Gallente started trying to starve the Caldari on Caldari Prime before Nouvelle Rouvenor even occurred.
By the way, just because we are getting Heth out of the way, don't think that we love the Gallente now. You are still our enemies, and, personally, I think the Gallente are worse as friends.
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