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RAIN Arthie The Ascended Fleet Tribal Band 62	Posted - 2013.06.17 15:11:00 - [1] - Quote Not sure how things are in Iceland but (and I hate to compare it to) WOW has a lot more advertising than EVE. Not sure what the angles are for their marketing but I think more people would try and play if people heard more about the game. I ask people if they have ever heard of EVE Online and they most of the time say no. We have commercials for WOW and other mmo's however I cannot recall seeing one for EVE Online. I think if they advertised on US channels they could get more players. More players+ big alliances= Huge fights. Just a thought.
Moon Mare Night Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 12	Posted - 2013.06.17 15:17:00 - [2] - Quote RAIN Arthie wrote: Not sure how things are in Iceland but (and I hate to compare it to) WOW has a lot more advertising than EVE. Not sure what the angles are for their marketing but I think more people would try and play if people heard more about the game. I ask people if they have ever heard of EVE Online and they most of the time say no. We have commercials for WOW and other mmo's however I cannot recall seeing one for EVE Online. I think if they advertised on US channels they could get more players. More players+ big alliances= Huge fights. Just a thought. Because CCP servers can handle the current 'large' fights going on down there in fountain right now, amirite?
RAIN Arthie The Ascended Fleet Tribal Band 62	Posted - 2013.06.17 15:19:00 - [3] - Quote Moon Mare Night wrote: RAIN Arthie wrote: Not sure how things are in Iceland but (and I hate to compare it to) WOW has a lot more advertising than EVE. Not sure what the angles are for their marketing but I think more people would try and play if people heard more about the game. I ask people if they have ever heard of EVE Online and they most of the time say no. We have commercials for WOW and other mmo's however I cannot recall seeing one for EVE Online. I think if they advertised on US channels they could get more players. More players+ big alliances= Huge fights. Just a thought. Because CCP servers can handle the current 'large' fights going on down there in fountain right now, amirite? You have a point but my point is to push the envelope with the masses. There are a lot of potential great pilots out there but they dont know about the game.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 5216	Posted - 2013.06.17 15:25:00 - [4] - Quote RAIN Arthie wrote: Moon Mare Night wrote: RAIN Arthie wrote: Not sure how things are in Iceland but (and I hate to compare it to) WOW has a lot more advertising than EVE. Not sure what the angles are for their marketing but I think more people would try and play if people heard more about the game. I ask people if they have ever heard of EVE Online and they most of the time say no. We have commercials for WOW and other mmo's however I cannot recall seeing one for EVE Online. I think if they advertised on US channels they could get more players. More players+ big alliances= Huge fights. Just a thought. Because CCP servers can handle the current 'large' fights going on down there in fountain right now, amirite? You have a point but my point is to push the envelope with the masses. There are a lot of potential great pilots out there but they dont know about the game. CCP mainly seeoms to advertice by buying ads, that are shown to people who are already playing the game. I don't think I've ever seen an EVE ad, that wasn't caused by my own browser history.
DreznicK OORt Cloud Research The OORT Cloud 6	Posted - 2013.06.17 15:26:00 - [5] - Quote Money Spent on advertising versus income from new subscriptions. WOW targets a casual audience which is a lot larger and easier to get too. EVE is a niche market, and will remain as such. Why I always laugh when I see advertisement for Free to play. The money has to come from somewhere to pay for servers and advertising. Nothing is free.
Tumahub Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 79	Posted - 2013.06.17 15:27:00 - [6] - Quote Came looking for corporate sponsorship of my avatar. Disappointing. :(
Capt Tenguru10 Nintendo Power Against ALL Authorities 952	Posted - 2013.06.17 15:46:00 - [7] - Quote Posting in eve is dying thread 99999999999999999+1 http://i.imgur.com/EYX5Zi7.gif
RAIN Arthie The Ascended Fleet Tribal Band 63	Posted - 2013.06.17 15:56:00 - [8] - Quote Not dying just lacking initiative. Spending money on advertising at least gets the game well known. There are also casual player in EVE.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 14915	Posted - 2013.06.17 15:59:00 - [9] - Quote RAIN Arthie wrote: More players+ big alliances= Huge fights. Just a thought. More players + big alliances = more people complaining about GÇ£not being able to catch upGÇ¥ and GÇ£buff concord!GÇ¥. Just another thought. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0.
Ramona McCandless Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard 365	Posted - 2013.06.17 16:01:00 - [10] - Quote Its pretty obvious really Of all the people I have introduced to EvE, only a small percent stayed on The rest say things like "accountant-warriors" "spreadsheets" "empty" and other nastee things about the game So, if you did mass advertising and got, say 1 million new trial accounts on the go, and only 10% stayed on to make paying accounts, that would be 900,000 people that were now telling their friends NOT to play Thats not a very good use of advertising revenue Also, can you imagine the bloodbath that would occur? 1 million new noobs falling into the water like so much chump-meat for the sharks? Has it just got hot in here or is it just me? Tell The Others

Ramona McCandless Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard 365	Posted - 2013.06.17 16:03:00 - [11] - Quote RAIN Arthie wrote: Not dying just lacking initiative. Spending money on advertising at least gets the game well known. There are also casual player in EVE. RAIN Arthie wrote: There are also casual player in EVE. RAIN Arthie wrote: casual player http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1Jqu70c6XE Tell The Others
RAIN Arthie The Ascended Fleet Tribal Band 63	Posted - 2013.06.17 16:16:00 - [12] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: RAIN Arthie wrote: Not dying just lacking initiative. Spending money on advertising at least gets the game well known. There are also casual player in EVE. RAIN Arthie wrote: There are also casual player in EVE. RAIN Arthie wrote: casual player http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1Jqu70c6XE Theres always bad with good. Not every game is for everybody however if the people never know about the game how can they know if they like it or not?
space submarine 33	Posted - 2013.06.17 16:24:00 - [13] - Quote This is why you use targeted advertising, place EVE ads on sites like this and here thusly
Ramona McCandless Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard 366	Posted - 2013.06.17 16:30:00 - [14] - Quote RAIN Arthie wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: RAIN Arthie wrote: Not dying just lacking initiative. Spending money on advertising at least gets the game well known. There are also casual player in EVE. RAIN Arthie wrote: There are also casual player in EVE. RAIN Arthie wrote: casual player http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1Jqu70c6XE Theres always bad with good. Not every game is for everybody however if the people never know about the game how can they know if they like it or not? 1) Bad press travels further and faster than good press, in orders of magnitude 2) Casual gamers must be eradicated Tell The Others
Ruze Next Stage Initiative Trans-Stellar Industries 351	Posted - 2013.06.17 16:33:00 - [15] - Quote More new players does not equal more money going into EvE. More new players does equal more support for secure hisec and optional pvp. More new players does not equal more content for Flying in Space. More new players does equal more requests for separate servers. More new players does not equal better customer service. More new players does equal more requests for GM intervention against scams and theft. These are facts, by the way, garnered from years of experience watching EvE grow. So why do we want more new players than we are currently generating simply from word of mouth? If you're driven to threaten others with harm or violence because of what they do in game, you can't separate fantasy from reality. That "griefer/thief" is probably more sane than you are. How screwed up is that?
Ramona McCandless Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard 366	Posted - 2013.06.17 16:35:00 - [16] - Quote Ruze wrote: More new players does not equal more money going into EvE. More new players does equal more support for secure hisec and optional pvp. More new players does not equal more content for Flying in Space. More new players does equal more requests for separate servers. More new players does not equal better customer service. More new players does equal more requests for GM intervention against scams and theft. These are facts, by the way, garnered from years of experience watching EvE grow. So why do we want more new players than we are currently generating simply from word of mouth? Dont forget moar shiptoasting Tell The Others
Kijo Rikki Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables 305	Posted - 2013.06.17 16:42:00 - [17] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Its pretty obvious really Of all the people I have introduced to EvE, only a small percent stayed on The rest say things like "accountant-warriors" "spreadsheets" "empty" and other nastee things about the game So, if you did mass advertising and got, say 1 million new trial accounts on the go, and only 10% stayed on to make paying accounts, that would be 900,000 people that were now telling their friends NOT to play Thats not a very good use of advertising revenue Also, can you imagine the bloodbath that would occur? 1 million new noobs falling into the water like so much chump-meat for the sharks? Has it just got hot in here or is it just me? Pretty much this, word of mouth is more powerful than any other form of advertising, and the gaming community is fairly good about getting out the message. Also I'm hurt, Ramona....I consider myself casual.
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R. 137	Posted - 2013.06.17 16:44:00 - [18] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Its pretty obvious really Of all the people I have introduced to EvE, only a small percent stayed on The rest say things like "accountant-warriors" "spreadsheets" "empty" and other nastee things about the game So, if you did mass advertising and got, say 1 million new trial accounts on the go, and only 10% stayed on to make paying accounts, that would be 900,000 people that were now telling their friends NOT to play Thats not a very good use of advertising revenue Also, can you imagine the bloodbath that would occur? 1 million new noobs falling into the water like so much chump-meat for the sharks? Has it just got hot in here or is it just me? Not to mention advertising is very expensive, and CCP just doesn't have that type of money. An aggressive ad campaign would likely LOSE the company money overall, rather than result in a net gain. That's why CCP focuses primarily on the only market where it knows it can get more subscribers - they target current subscribers and push to get more alts. The approximately 175,000 people who play this game aren't wrung out yet :)
Ramona McCandless Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard 367	Posted - 2013.06.17 16:45:00 - [19] - Quote Kijo Rikki wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Its pretty obvious really Of all the people I have introduced to EvE, only a small percent stayed on The rest say things like "accountant-warriors" "spreadsheets" "empty" and other nastee things about the game So, if you did mass advertising and got, say 1 million new trial accounts on the go, and only 10% stayed on to make paying accounts, that would be 900,000 people that were now telling their friends NOT to play Thats not a very good use of advertising revenue Also, can you imagine the bloodbath that would occur? 1 million new noobs falling into the water like so much chump-meat for the sharks? Has it just got hot in here or is it just me? Pretty much this, word of mouth is more powerful than any other form of advertising, and the gaming community is fairly good about getting out the message. Also I'm hurt, Ramona....I consider myself casual. Sweetie, look at the time you put into making your portrait realistic and original Theres not a casual bone in your body Tell The Others
Kijo Rikki Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables 305	Posted - 2013.06.17 16:50:00 - [20] - Quote But...but I can afk from the editor! I can't afk in a fleet op....at least I'm not supposed to, but I'll be damned if I havent gotten up to go bio during fleet warps or took my chances in an engagement, f1'd a target and left to go do other things.

Ramona McCandless Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard 372	Posted - 2013.06.17 16:58:00 - [21] - Quote Kijo Rikki wrote: But...but I can afk from the editor! I can't afk in a fleet op....at least I'm not supposed to, but I'll be damned if I havent gotten up to go bio during fleet warps or took my chances in an engagement, f1'd a target and left to go do other things. Going afk isnt being casual Otherwise Id be a casual gamer for leaving my Purifier hanging over miners chuckling to myself for hours Tell The Others
Kult Altol Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet 423	Posted - 2013.06.17 18:34:00 - [22] - Quote Dirty casual player reporting in. Also, ads are useless, most people us Adblock, ghostery, and no script. An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind.
Josef Djugashvilis Acme Mining Corporation 1274	Posted - 2013.06.17 19:30:00 - [23] - Quote I must be doing something wrong. I have never seen an advert for Eve, not nowhere no how. Where would I look for an Eve advert? Link? This is not a signature.
Jimmy Morane Aurora Novae Aetatis Expoit This Mf's 16	Posted - 2013.06.17 19:39:00 - [24] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Has it just got hot in here or is it just me? Why yes, yes it has!
Job Valador Super Moose Defence Force 69	Posted - 2013.06.18 04:19:00 - [25] - Quote said before but ill be that guy and say it again. Word of mouth. that's how i got in and that's how i got friends in. spread the word mates. [IMG]http://imageshack.us/a/img836/7059/c00286794da9496e2b391.jpg[/IMG] Rule 34 ^
Lady Areola Fappington New Order Logistics CODE. 344	Posted - 2013.06.18 04:58:00 - [26] - Quote IIRC, word of mouth is actually how CCP wants us advertising. Sure, bunches of ads will get mass trial subs, but..EVE is hard. Trial subs that drop are, in the end, a drain on CCP's wallet. Much better to depend on us EVE players to "filter" the right sort of people into the game, and get 'em to hang around longer than a week. Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
Aidan Brooder Dynasphere Ltd. 274	Posted - 2013.06.18 05:05:00 - [27] - Quote I see EVE ads constantly on forums I visit... Well, friends that I lured into EVE and that stayed never came through EVE ads either. They asked why I play EVE and is it any good. I said it is, but certainly not a game everyone would enjoy. I told them about the game, showed them some trailers... Told them the game is nothing like the trailers. People that stayed - well, stayed. People that left (reasons): - No offense meant, but women usually left because there was no avatar play. WiS got them in, when it failed, they left. Not bad players otherwise, though. - Too much of a time sink (quote: "Its like a second job!") - Quite a few left because of the indirect spaceship controls Ratio? About 50:50... (out of about 20 people over the years... Hey, I'm not an EVE affiliate after all. :)) Blog: http://aidanbrooder.wordpress.com My EVE YouTube Vids (most recent): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2alSWxXQbI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SEzNNYSlDE
Setaceous Nexus Prima 118	Posted - 2013.06.18 05:08:00 - [28] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: 2) Casual gamers must be eradicated Casual gamers are worth more than you Seriously though; define casual for me. I'll bet it's not the same definition that I use
Mokk Fillett Freedom From Fear Industries 0	Posted - 2013.06.18 05:11:00 - [29] - Quote Josef Djugashvilis wrote: I must be doing something wrong. I have never seen an advert for Eve, not nowhere no how. Where would I look for an Eve advert? Link? I've seen ads on the PC Gamer website/Various MMO sites/Reddit. I don't think they were based off my searches as they were ads that covered the background of the site (Not the usual blocks of ads usually near the header/sides), but it's very possible I'm wrong on that one I found EVE through a PC Gamer advert. It linked to the main site with the Butterfly Effect promo, which hooked me enough to download the game. I'm on the fence whether a TV advertisement would be effectual. CCP promos are really well produced, but EVE is a very niche game.
Setaceous Nexus Prima 118	Posted - 2013.06.18 05:12:00 - [30] - Quote Mokk Fillett wrote: Josef Djugashvilis wrote: I must be doing something wrong. I have never seen an advert for Eve, not nowhere no how. Where would I look for an Eve advert? Link? I've seen ads on the PC Gamer website/Various MMO sites/Reddit. I don't think they were based off my searches as they were ads that covered the background of the site (Not the usual blocks of ads usually near the header/sides), but it's very possible I'm wrong on that one I found EVE through a PC Gamer advert. It linked to the main site with the Butterfly Effect promo, which hooked me enough to download the game. I'm on the fence whether a TV advertisement would be effectual. CCP promos are really well produced, but EVE is a very niche game. It's also in the top five selling MMOs on Steam.



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