Not sure how things are in Iceland but (and I hate to compare it to) WOW has a lot more advertising than EVE. Not sure what the angles are for their marketing but I think more people would try and play if people heard more about the game. I ask people if they have ever heard of EVE Online and they most of the time say no. We have commercials for WOW and other mmo's however I cannot recall seeing one for EVE Online. I think if they advertised on US channels they could get more players. More players+ big alliances= Huge fights. Just a thought.

Because CCP servers can handle the current 'large' fights going on down there in fountain right now, amirite?

You have a point but my point is to push the envelope with the masses. There are a lot of potential great pilots out there but they dont know about the game.

More players+ big alliances= Huge fights. Just a thought.

Not dying just lacking initiative. Spending money on advertising at least gets the game well known. There are also casual player in EVE.

There are also casual player in EVE.

Theres always bad with good. Not every game is for everybody however if the people never know about the game how can they know if they like it or not?

More new players does not equal more money going into EvE.

More new players does equal more support for secure hisec and optional pvp.

More new players does not equal more content for Flying in Space.

More new players does equal more requests for separate servers.

More new players does not equal better customer service.

More new players does equal more requests for GM intervention against scams and theft.



These are facts, by the way, garnered from years of experience watching EvE grow. So why do we want more new players than we are currently generating simply from word of mouth?

Its pretty obvious really



Of all the people I have introduced to EvE, only a small percent stayed on


The rest say things like "accountant-warriors" "spreadsheets" "empty" and other nastee things about the game



So, if you did mass advertising and got, say 1 million new trial accounts on the go, and only 10% stayed on to make paying accounts, that would be 900,000 people that were now telling their friends NOT to play


Thats not a very good use of advertising revenue


Also, can you imagine the bloodbath that would occur? 1 million new noobs falling into the water like so much chump-meat for the sharks?







Has it just got hot in here or is it just me?

Its pretty obvious really



Of all the people I have introduced to EvE, only a small percent stayed on


The rest say things like "accountant-warriors" "spreadsheets" "empty" and other nastee things about the game



So, if you did mass advertising and got, say 1 million new trial accounts on the go, and only 10% stayed on to make paying accounts, that would be 900,000 people that were now telling their friends NOT to play


Thats not a very good use of advertising revenue


Also, can you imagine the bloodbath that would occur? 1 million new noobs falling into the water like so much chump-meat for the sharks?







Has it just got hot in here or is it just me?

Pretty much this, word of mouth is more powerful than any other form of advertising, and the gaming community is fairly good about getting out the message.

Also I'm hurt, Ramona....I consider myself casual.

But...but I can afk from the editor! I can't afk in a fleet op....at least I'm not supposed to, but I'll be damned if I havent gotten up to go bio during fleet warps or took my chances in an engagement, f1'd a target and left to go do other things.

Has it just got hot in here or is it just me?

2) Casual gamers must be eradicated

I must be doing something wrong.

I have never seen an advert for Eve, not nowhere no how.

Where would I look for an Eve advert?

Link?

I've seen ads on the PC Gamer website/Various MMO sites/Reddit.

I don't think they were based off my searches as they were ads that covered the background of the site (Not the usual blocks of ads usually near the header/sides), but it's very possible I'm wrong on that one

I found EVE through a PC Gamer advert. It linked to the main site with the Butterfly Effect promo, which hooked me enough to download the game.

I'm on the fence whether a TV advertisement would be effectual. CCP promos are really well produced, but EVE is a very niche game.

It's also in the top five selling MMOs on Steam.

- No offense meant, but women usually left because there was no avatar play. WiS got them in, when it failed, they left. Not bad players otherwise, though.

This issue isn't even remotely gender specific.

A game where you are (for the most part) your current ship is a turn off for some people.

Casual gamers are worth more than you


Seriously though; define casual for me. I'll bet it's not the same definition that I use

I've seen ads on the PC Gamer website/Various MMO sites/Reddit.

I don't think they were based off my searches as they were ads that covered the background of the site (Not the usual blocks of ads usually near the header/sides), but it's very possible I'm wrong on that one

I found EVE through a PC Gamer advert. It linked to the main site with the Butterfly Effect promo, which hooked me enough to download the game.

I'm on the fence whether a TV advertisement would be effectual. CCP promos are really well produced, but EVE is a very niche game.

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When WiS came out, exactly 3 men & 3 women I know joined EVE.
All had MMO experience from other games. ALL - and that includes me - were severly disappointed. But the women left and they told me they left for that reason. They wanted avatars able to interact with each other. The men got over it and liked the shiny ships.

While I believe in equality, I also believe that there is a difference between men & women in general. There are always exceptions.

Up till that point that CCP kicked WiS into Never-Everland, the women were just as good as players as were the man.

So, it is a small demographic, I admit that, but it is rather striking and so my experience at least goes against your PC statement there.

A much better demographic would be CCPs own analysis, pointing at a currently very low percentage of female players.

The problem with getting female players is their low numbers in the gaming industry period, because the common conception is that Games are for men or "nerdy boys", most girls/women will grow up associating it with a "guy thing" and never allow themselves to develop an interest because they want to "fit in" with their friends who chose to align themselves with their Societies gender and expectations assigned to them.

I know several girls i grew up with who like eve, similar to how i know several who have gone to college for mechanical engineering, or play rugby with the fellas on weekends, and i notice a distinct difference between their behaviour, and the behaviour of other girls from the more "mainstream" parts of the city (the area i live in is full of hipsters, loners, goths, and generally any small-demographic group you can think of, from 2010-12 the town motto was "Keep it Weird").

Fact is, most girls in any culture being raised are raised to look at different values and interests as thinsg they "should" be into, and become scared to explore things outside that, same with men and being afraid to wear too much pink or play dressup, or sit and watch romantic movies and cry, it all omes back to Western Gender Expectations and cultural influences.

so yes and no, female gamers are as much an issue with the industry as with culture in general, so the small demographic that DO play games, are even more reduced to those that not only play the games, but arent afraid to participate in an environment dominated by men, with a culture that may as well have been derived from the local pub. Now I;m not saying every EVE player needs to change, I'm just saying we cant expect to change the game to suit "women" when the women you think you are targeting are usually the women who in general wont play *REAL* games (read as "competitive entertainment").