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Gahn
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Posted - 2003.08.09 23:53:00 -
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I saw a discussion in the help channel that puzzled me; one of the helpers (green text, not sure how much weight they carry) named Mystic had this to say about -10 pks killing people in 1.0 sec areas without repercussions:
[ 2003.08.09 23:46:22 ] Mystic > Currently, if a player have -10.0 security rating, they are able to attack people in secure space, because their rating does not drop when they attack, CONCORD is not notified, and thus do not come to your aid
[ 2003.08.09 23:47:33 ] Mystic > its not currently being called a Expoit, just an 'advantage'
Does this mean what I think it does? That whenever someone hits -10 they are immune to Concord?
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colla tidet
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Posted - 2003.08.09 23:58:00 -
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Something is comming to our doorstep... when we answer, it will not be avon nor will it say please.
Linkage to post please read
"Let us have faith that right makes right, and in that faith let us to the end dare to do our duty as we understand it."
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tobiasrieper
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Posted - 2003.08.09 23:59:00 -
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thats not nice :-(
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Foomanshoe
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Posted - 2003.08.10 00:09:00 -
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How is that not an exploit again?
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Darth Maul
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Posted - 2003.08.10 00:25:00 -
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Not an exploit? /buggle
Maybe not in the very strictest sense of the term.. more like sloppy programming and bad foresight on CCP's part but not realizing what would happen when an arch criminal started podding noobs in 1.0 space
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Illidan Stormrage
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Posted - 2003.08.10 01:06:00 -
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Lack of foresight for the most part. Hoepfully can be fixed quickly before ramapant usage by pirates (or rather pirates who dont mind taking advantage of this bug) has a chance to become commonplace.
The right path is not easily chosen.
Walk into the light and be redeemed.
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Foomanshoe
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Posted - 2003.08.10 02:03:00 -
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If people are using a bug (which this obviously is) to gain an advantage over other players, it is exploiting. thats what exploiting is. Its like when people dupe money, they use a bug with the wallet to gain an advantage. These guys are using a bug with security, to camp 1.0 space.
CCP should just ban them all already. There is no way they dont know what they are doing is wrong. No excuse for this behavior. Just ban them already, cause its getting pathetic.
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Xelios
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Posted - 2003.08.10 02:09:00 -
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Well Tank CEO is in Yulai right now shooting down people, happily exploiting this bug.
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ROFL
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Posted - 2003.08.10 03:15:00 -
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Absurd. -10 should be shot immediately by concord, aggressive action or not. Thats the fix right there. Less than -8.0 sec status? Get nailed immediately in 0.4 and above. Anyone exploiting this exploit, which it obviously is, should have actions taken against them account wise. If you DONT think this is an exploit, you're an idiot.
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Cruise
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Posted - 2003.08.10 03:19:00 -
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It's an exploit, else the pk's/'pirate' players wouldn't be there, plain and simple. If the security system worked as it does for all other negative security levels, this wouldn't even BE an issue. The people abusing that fact know it and denial of such a fact is pathetic.
Ban the idiots.
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Dragon Emperor
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Posted - 2003.08.10 03:44:00 -
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It's an exploit, else the pk's/'pirate' players wouldn't be there, plain and simple. If the security system worked as it does for all other negative security levels, this wouldn't even BE an issue. The people abusing that fact know it and denial of such a fact is pathetic.
Ban the idiots.
It's not moo or whoever use it's fault, it damn CCP's fault. if ccp want to ban moo or whatever, they should fire the dev/gms who mess up the whole gaming world with tech 5 laser and tech 2 BP
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Varsuuk
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Posted - 2003.08.10 03:46:00 -
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Well, let me state I am NOT HAPPY with the situation, but what is a guy with -10.0 supposed to do?
It's not like he has to work to gain sec to make us happy (although he will gain .1 a day so each day he has to rehit -10 - easy, one firing at another will do it)
I would hope CCP fixes this BUG in next patch.
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Fuujin
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Posted - 2003.08.10 03:47:00 -
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It's not moo or whoever use it's fault, it damn CCP's fault. if ccp want to ban moo or whatever, they should fire the dev/gms who mess up the whole gaming world with tech 5 laser and tech 2 BP
Yes its CCP's fault for letting it happen. but that doesnt give the person to abuse this obvious error. Those abusing it should be warned and after a short while if they don't comply they should eb dealt with.
and by the way that last dribble had nothing to do with this topic
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Foomanshoe
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Posted - 2003.08.10 04:00:00 -
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Everyone who has used this exploit should have there account suspended.
If they do any other exploits, they should be permenatly banned on all accounts with that billing and address.
This is how it should be.
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tekforce
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Posted - 2003.08.10 04:02:00 -
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This is not an exploit, becuase it doesnt work lol, i just went and attacked someone, i have
-10 and was sure enuf attacked by concord. Tho i still had time to kill the vicitim :)
idiots go test it first
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Fuujin
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Posted - 2003.08.10 04:05:00 -
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Tank CEO was just doing it near amarr, only finally got chased away after a few battleships came in after him
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Princess Akmazara
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Posted - 2003.08.10 06:31:00 -
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TankCEO is posting in this thread:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=24974
He's angry he was threatend with being banned. The usual cast of "kill the carebears" people are supporting him. Never mind it's 1.0 space and he should be banned for doing it. This is the same garbage I read m0o doing when the game was first released.
He is obviously not playing within the games design and instead is exploiting a flaw in the system. He should be banned. How he even got into empire space is my question? Isn't there a number like -5.0 or below where the gate sentry guns would attack him if he approaches Concord needs to beef up firepower a little.
Princes Akmazara
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Jericho
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Posted - 2003.08.10 06:33:00 -
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This is advertised in the game design Princess...
http://eve.skjalfti.is/trailers/Eve_Trailer_9a.wmv
Now...
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Xelios
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Posted - 2003.08.10 06:35:00 -
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Edited by: Xelios on 10/08/2003 06:36:29
I don't see any mention of exploiting a bug relating to CONCORD in 1.0 systems in that trailer Jericho, sorry. I see an ad for pirating, but no ad for exploiting.
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Jericho
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Posted - 2003.08.10 06:40:00 -
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Let's say I kill you with my 4 250 Proto Gauss... you don't like the outcome and because I am at a gate, you scream exploit. I say in the forums... YOU JUST SUCK. It is my word against your, but the non-criminals win in the eyes of CCP.
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Xelios
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Posted - 2003.08.10 06:42:00 -
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... what?
WTH does this have to do with exploiting a known bug intentionally to get easy kills? It's bad enough Tank has to camp newbies in fear of getting his BS blown up if he camps anyone else, sadder yet is the fact that he needs an exploit to do it.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.10 06:43:00 -
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It's so obviously an exploit.
Molly has been bragging about it for weeks now.
Tank CEO got caught doing it and, quite frankly, I'm amazed the GM didn't ban him.
Nobody is stupid enough to think "Oh, wait, I just podkilled a few players in Yulai and no cvops turned up" and not realise it was a bug.
The fact he went on a furter killing spree is proof enough for me that he is knowingly exploiting.
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Colonel Jameson
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Posted - 2003.08.10 06:48:00 -
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Edited by: Colonel Jameson on 10/08/2003 08:33:42
The fact that the GM's/CCP KNOW these problems exists and do NOTHING about is seriously starting to **** me off. As much as I think EVE is a great game I'm about ready to just take off because this game is just becoming too chaotic.
I'm sure CCP has lost plenty of players due to their unwillingness to ban those that so CLEARLY deserve a ban. People that are all but ASKING to BE banned. It's easy to see the server status display on a steady decline over the last couple months.
I mean come the **** on CPP. WAKE THE **** UP.
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Fuujin
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Posted - 2003.08.10 06:50:00 -
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what do you mean do nothing about it?
chances are theyre working on it right now!
they dont hand out a new patch for every bug they fix, they do it in stages and things take time
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Jericho
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Posted - 2003.08.10 06:51:00 -
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They can't even patch BETA bugs... what makes you think they are working on this shiat
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.08.10 06:53:00 -
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tekforce, you can't help the idiots around here. Even if you stated that cops still attack you with no matter what security rating, they won't listen.
Somebody got shot in 1.0. MUST BE AN EXPLOIT. People keep doing it from time to time. MUST BE A REPRODUCABLE EXPLOIT.
They are too dumb. They run towards a gate in a 1.0 system seeing a big bad ass battleship, piloted by a pirate with a huge negative security rating and a bounty, but they think it is safe, so they go on. Sometimes cops come to late to safe them, then they go to the forums and complain about others, but are too proud to admit their own mistake.
On the other side, there are some people who turn around and even do not give you the chance to lock them.
The situation as it is with 1.0 systems from my own experience while initiating an attack there (regardless of security rating):
- Cops will come instantly,
- cops will come after the destruction of a ship,
- Cops will not show up, but they will instantly at the next attack (this times out, but I don't know the length of the timer).
You can only blame CCP for not having sentry guns there and you can only blame CCP for not using police forces to attack negative security rating pilots who just pass by like it is in other 0.9 - 0.5 systems (and also some 1.0).
But anyway, CCP can only make it harder, not impossible. With the right ship configuration you can still sustain the sentry guns and police forces fire.
The only solution to this is to not be AFK, like the afk miner in the Crime & Punishment forum complaing about being shot in 1.0 while in afk mode.
***** on, start flaming if you want to. I don't care and everyone keeping yelling "Exploiter, ban them" is an idiot.
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
Xelios
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Posted - 2003.08.10 06:53:00 -
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Actually they've patched probably a couple hundred bugs from beta since release.
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Princess Akmazara
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Posted - 2003.08.10 08:17:00 -
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Tank has acknowledged he fired on the noobs in 1.0 space and concord doesn't show up. He says he know its strange yet he does it anyway. To a normal person with a normal thinking process its clear this is a bug of some sort. I would ask him WHY he's doing this anyway? It's no different then m0o early on admitting they were stacking modules in ways not intended thus drastically magnifying the damage yet when told this wasn't planned and a nerf was coming they kept doing it anyway. If you do something outside the intention of the game mechanics is exploiting plain and simple. 1.0 space? Give me a break. 
Princess Akmazara
Amarrian Empire
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