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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.11.18 12:40:00 -
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I urge all those who might be considering assisting the Ushra'Khan with their Insorum research to think again.
We all saw the effects that this foul drug can have when the Blood Raiders used it on Mabnen.
All those who seek to replicate this will mark themselves as enemies of both humanity and God, and will be treated accordingly.
Should anyone come into the possession of a sample of the drug or any of the Ushra'Khan's research, they should hand them over to either PIE or the Imperial authorities at the earliest opportunity.
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2005.11.18 13:14:00 -
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So that the stolen item can be handed back to its lawful owners, Zainou Biotech? Wouldn't it be simpler to give the Insorzapine bisulfate directly to Zaniou or perhaps the Chief Executive Panel? 
Saying that of course, when does the stolen prototype stop being Zanious property just cause some other scientists have done some dabbling with it? I've no idea, thats for the lawyers to work out. *chuckles*
Mind you, since Zaniou is doubtless still utilising resources working on the Insorzapine variants . . . *shrugs* wonder if they'll be called enemies of humanity and God?
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Sarkos
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Posted - 2005.11.18 13:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Rodj Blake
I urge all those who might be considering assisting the Ushra'Khan with their Insorum research to think again.
We all saw the effects that this foul drug can have when the Blood Raiders used it on Mabnen.
All those who seek to replicate this will mark themselves as enemies of both humanity and God, and will be treated accordingly.
Should anyone come into the possession of a sample of the drug or any of the Ushra'Khan's research, they should hand them over to either PIE or the Imperial authorities at the earliest opportunity.
Considering WE are NOT the Blood Raiders, considering WE seek our kins freedom from the foul and barbaric practices of slavery, considering the Amarr have used neurotoxins requiring Vitoc to reward a faithfull slave while punishing a bad one with a slow and painfull death, I see only fear in your threat, fear of losing a status symbol.
The Insorum is to be used to free rescued slaves from the horrors of the nuerotoxin your people so freely use as well as some of our own pilots that are still in need of Vitoc. We want the Insorum for humanitarian purposes, not for the wholesale slaughter of Amarr.
Sarkos
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.11.18 13:31:00 -
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Edited by: Khaldorn Murino on 18/11/2005 13:31:57
We want the Insorium for the freedom of our people. Take that how you may.
Of course, plenty of our people reside within your borders.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.11.18 13:33:00 -
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Insorum has been demonstrated to have extreme psychotropic properties.
Only a madman would use it.
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Eddie Gordo
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Posted - 2005.11.18 13:38:00 -
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Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 18/11/2005 13:39:24
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Insorum has been demonstrated to have extreme psychotropic properties.
Only a madman would use it.
This is True, it has a detremental effect on people who have not been treated with Vitoc. Unlike the blood raiders, I do not forsee us using an airborn delivery system. Rather, I imagine we will be administering the drug directly.
I will echo the comments made by Sarkos, and say that all I can hear in your voiceis fear.
Now recruiting
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.11.18 13:46:00 -
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Edited by: Khaldorn Murino on 18/11/2005 13:55:36
Psychotropic properties?
I saw none and i see none. Conjection upon your part slaver.
The fear drips off you.
However, this is not the cause for discussion. The cure is none of your concern. It is for our people, and this is a plea for help.
We dont even have a workable cure at the moment, and the idle threats of PIE do not bother me. Now the Empire knows what we have however, this is a big risk. But one we are willing to take, for after all, the only reason we are here is for our people. And if we have to, we will sacrafice everything to help them.
Everything.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.11.18 14:52:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 18/11/2005 14:53:51
Regarding the psychotropic effects of Insorum:
Originally by: Eddie Gordo
This is True, it has a detremental effect...
Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
Psychotropic properties?
I saw none and i see none. Conjection upon your part slaver
A slight difference of opinion there.
Nevermind, the fact is that Insorum was introduced into the atmosphere of the colony in the Mabnen system, and the workers there became violent before most of them even knew that they had been infected.
Therefore we can conclude that Insorum has the effect of driving it's wretched victims to insane levels of violence.
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.11.18 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Nevermind, the fact is that Insorum was introduced into the atmosphere of the colony in the Mabnen system, and the workers there became violent before most of them even knew that they had been infected.
Therefore we can conclude that Insorum has the effect of driving it's wretched victims to insane levels of violence.
Really? And you know this for a fact?
No you dont, your just conjecturing. This argument was gone over an age ago and various theries erupted from it. This is just your. obviously biased, one slaver.
Because you think it, does not make it the truth.
Slaves are not happy being slaves. I know you find this hard to comprehend. They will rise. And you will fall.
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Ethidium Bromide
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Posted - 2005.11.18 14:58:00 -
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it is dangerous to play around with drugs like this! as you stated yourself you can't even keep it stable, can you guarantee you can contain it at all?
your desperate attempts to help those you call your people might well be the death of billions when the insorum is toyed with and mutates freely und your "control".
the only reasonable and sensitive action you can take is destroy this protoform to prevent its release.
you killed hundreds of people willnigly and on purpose so far but do you want to take responsibility for billions of lifes?
insorum will not care either those people are what you call guilty or not! it might even hit one fo your own major planets.
you have always been misguided but you have never been fools! turn this sample over to an official basic research institute that can then do certain experiments to analyze the structure and potential danger of it.
you are like cavemen hitting a ground mine with a pointy stick till it goes off....
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Maggot
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Posted - 2005.11.18 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 18/11/2005 14:53:51
Regarding the psychotropic effects of Insorum:
Originally by: Eddie Gordo
This is True, it has a detremental effect...
Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
Psychotropic properties?
I saw none and i see none. Conjection upon your part slaver
A slight difference of opinion there.
Nevermind, the fact is that Insorum was introduced into the atmosphere of the colony in the Mabnen system, and the workers there became violent before most of them even knew that they had been infected.
Therefore we can conclude that Insorum has the effect of driving it's wretched victims to insane levels of violence.
Of course the Amarrian machine would say this after brutally putting down a rebellion by those who had suddenly realised they were free of their shackles.
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Pulgor
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Posted - 2005.11.18 15:03:00 -
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Ethidium, since when have the Ushra'Khan cared about who they killed. They don't care about anything. They're just mindless barbarians.
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Maggot
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Posted - 2005.11.18 16:17:00 -
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The lack of assistance from the Republic in this matter is a further sign of the corruption within the Minmatar government. Who knows how far down the hierachy the Amarr blood money had penetrated.
Midular, we are watching you and your cronies closely.
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2005.11.18 17:05:00 -
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Obviously the heathens could care less about any side effects. Whats a few dead Minmatar to prove a thesis? They'll use this compound on all and take the scraps of life that are left after the psychosis takes hold. Clearly they are as ignorant as they are foolish.
The Minmatar barbarians will stop at nothing to end the enlightenment of their kind. As far from God as can be the terrorists of UshraKhan ply their evil ways yet again this time in the area of science. It's amazing their inferior intellects are even capable of space travel much less any scientific research. God only knows what the end result of their creations will be.
I recall another race which embraced science and while taking small initial gains now lives on the verge of extinction due to their arrogance in attempting to thwart the plan of God for their species. The Jovians. Now the Minmatar repeat the mistake attempting to alter Gods plan of enlightenment for them.
Truly a dark day for all Minmatar as their own would work toward their own extinction.
Archbishop
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Hippey
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Posted - 2005.11.18 17:33:00 -
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Wow, you are so afraid of losing your grip on slaves and knowing that no Amarr could ever hold hope to overpower a Minmatar and keep him subsided with their own might, you spew this propaganda to try and keep the cure out of reach so you can keep compensating for your insecurities.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.11.18 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Maggot
The lack of assistance from the Republic in this matter is a further sign of the corruption within the Minmatar government. Who knows how far down the hierachy the Amarr blood money had penetrated.
Midular, we are watching you and your cronies closely.
Maybe your government is not interested in Insorum because they realise that it's a curse, not a cure.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2005.11.18 18:36:00 -
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You actually read that ? You masochist you 
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Kyoko Sakoda
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Posted - 2005.11.18 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
It's amazing their inferior intellects are even capable of space travel much less any scientific research.
I know of another inferior intellect that excuses the realities of the universe for fairytales. It's really too bad that I have to side with them on the issue.
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Bonaventure Augustus
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Posted - 2005.11.18 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ethidium Bromide
it is dangerous to play around with drugs like this!
Not nearly as dangerous as you shall find your years of 'playing around' with vitoc to have been. For as more and more slaves are cured, all of them will be very interested discussing your control methods.
No matter what fears you Amarr state, we cannot and we will not give up on our people. If this drug holds the key to the salvation of our people, we will discover that key, and with it the chains you have cast upon the minmatar will be released.
And you shall find those cast-off chains, no longer supported by the strength of the minmatar, to be the ballast which sinks your empire forever.
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Ethidium Bromide
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Posted - 2005.11.18 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Bonaventure Augustus
Originally by: Ethidium Bromide
it is dangerous to play around with drugs like this!
Not nearly as dangerous as you shall find your years of 'playing around' with vitoc to have been. For as more and more slaves are cured, all of them will be very interested discussing your control methods.
No matter what fears you Amarr state, we cannot and we will not give up on our people. If this drug holds the key to the salvation of our people, we will discover that key, and with it the chains you have cast upon the minmatar will be released.
And you shall find those cast-off chains, no longer supported by the strength of the minmatar, to be the ballast which sinks your empire forever.
by following this path you will just free the ones who are born free in your so called republic from life!
go on and fail, knowing that i will feel the loss of billions we could have reclaimed!
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Lygos
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Posted - 2005.11.18 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Trooper B99
So that the stolen item can be handed back to its lawful owners, Zainou Biotech? Wouldn't it be simpler to give the Insorzapine bisulfate directly to Zaniou or perhaps the Chief Executive Panel?
As a Caldari, you should be well acquainted with the notion that state security and the common good come before mere property. That's a Gallentean conceit, although bureaucracy has its place.
Undoubtedly, there are some admirable Caldari that would wish to see Zainou Biotech punished for their security failures.
As to question of whether the development and release of such knowledge goes agaisnt the public good, well.. that awaits an historical understanding of all tragic events.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.11.19 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Hippey
Wow, you are so afraid of losing your grip on slaves and knowing that no Amarr could ever hold hope to overpower a Minmatar and keep him subsided with their own might, you spew this propaganda to try and keep the cure out of reach so you can keep compensating for your insecurities.
Vitoc is used on a minority of slaves. It is far to expensive for use except in specific fields such as starship crew. Which is the reason that the up rising on Mabnen (mostly agricultural) was either the result of some unknown effect of Insorum, or an additional agent that the Blood Raiders deployed. Their is also the possibility that the Blood Raiders modified the Insornum to achieve the desired effect.
As nearly all the slaves on Mabnen were unlikely to be using vitoc the revolt makes no sense if the Blood Raiders only deployed Insornum. In fact I am inclined to believe the whole Insornum debacle was a conspiracy between Zainou and the Blood Raiders. It seems odd that something which promotes the use of trans-crannial micro controllers would "escape" corporate security, and then the Blood Raiders release it and suddenly have the cash to move their entire operation into the deep black beyond and out of reach of the law.
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Van Cleef
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Posted - 2005.11.19 23:04:00 -
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Use that madmans weapon on your people and you will set them free.
In death we are all free.
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Soratah
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Posted - 2005.11.20 05:43:00 -
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Well I dont want the Empire and it's supporters to be accused of postulating theories here.
FACT 1
Dealing with an incredibly potent and exponentially mutating VIRUS like the Insorum strain could potentially release something that could later mutate into a highly contagious and lethal biological weapon simple because of the areas of the brain it affects.
FACT 2
Vitoc is used on a minority of the most unruly slaves to keep them in line it still doesnt cause a significant threat to the Empire's stability. If it came to the crunch, the the Empire and holder families could easily use technological means to control the Matari population. Something which mechanically wipes their conscious thought and leaves them as unthinking drones (something that doesnt happen with biological agents like Vitoc).
FACT 3
The places with Vitoc influenced populations will take an incredibly hard line against and uprising. Anyone on Amarrian worlds or stations released in this way will more than likely be executed by Amarrian Marines when they restore order. Explain to me how this helps these people. DONT ASSUME to reply to this post with "Better death than a life in slavery." Oh really? It seems that if this is the case you're a bit to quick to martyr your own people. I'd rather be asked if I wanted to die for the cause not just be murdered by Amarrian Soldiers because my bloodfrenzied mind cant control what it's doing.
This has nothing to do with the PEOPLE anymore, everyone's just serving their own rutting interests.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.11.20 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: theRaptor
Vitoc is used on a minority of
slaves.
no it isnt. For example, it is well known that is used for the entire crew of the Amarrian Navy. Millions upon millions.
And since the time that the Vitoc article was released it can only be assumed that this favoured tecnique of keeping slaves under control has got cheaper and more effective.
I know you wish to please your masters Raptor, but they will never accept you as a true Amarr.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.11.20 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
Originally by: theRaptor
Vitoc is used on a minority of
slaves.
no it isnt. For example, it is well known that is used for the entire crew of the Amarrian Navy. Millions upon millions.
You are wrong. The last time I checked the Imperial Navy only accounted for a minority of the total number of slaves in the Empire.
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And since the time that the Vitoc article was released it can only be assumed that this favoured tecnique of keeping slaves under control has got cheaper and more effective.
Wrong again. Another, more likely explanation is that the slaves were not users of Vitoc, but the Insorum affected them anyway. Hence their self-defeating rage.
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Soratah
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Posted - 2005.11.20 19:45:00 -
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Edited by: Soratah on 20/11/2005 19:47:18
Ahh well Khaldorn being a Matari freedom fighter OBVIOUSLY knows more about the Amarrian Empire than it's citizenry.
That or he just cant deal with the concept of there being TRILLIONS of Matari slaves that work,clean,sow fields, provide breeding stock to the Amarrian Empire. Millions of support staff in the Navy and Army DO count for a tiny percentage of the population.
I find this general assumption that because our ways are just "SICK and WRONG" that we must also be stupid, illiterate, and innumerate...
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Wanoah
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Posted - 2005.11.21 00:38:00 -
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Edited by: Wanoah on 21/11/2005 00:38:13
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Ahh well Khaldorn being a Matari freedom fighter OBVIOUSLY knows more about the Amarrian Empire than it's citizenry.
Yes. Because the citizens, sorry subjects of the Empire are universally well-informed of everything that is going on, aren't they? Of course not. Most loyal subjects in the lower ranks of society only know what day it is when some noble deigns to tell them.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.11.21 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
You are wrong. The last time I checked the Imperial Navy only accounted for a minority of the total number of slaves in the Empire.
Your navies crews are slaves, and you have a big navy, hence millions upon millions. You have billions of slaves.
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Wrong again. Another, more likely explanation is that the slaves were not users of Vitoc, but the Insorum affected them anyway. Hence their self-defeating rage.
Supposition upon your part. Their rage could equally be accountable for generations of slavery. Mabden was obviously using Vitoc to control its slaves. Perhaps this is now common practice amongst the Empire? I know you people dont understand why someone would be extremely extremely angry at being enslaved, but I assure you, they will be and they are.
However, until you provide me with proof that they were not using Vitoc to control the slave populace upon mabden, all you are spouting is hot air.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.11.21 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Eddie Gordo
FACT 1
You dont have a sample of the drug, so are in no position to comment on its properties. Anything you can say on the matter is mere conjecture.
FACT 2
We are in posetion of the drug, and more to the point extensive research on the subject.
You may be in possession of the drug, but the interview suggests that your research into its properties has stalled.
You don't know much more about Insorum than the rest of us.
You are wrong their scum. So wrong...
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