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sXyphos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.18 19:53:00 -
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Personally i think it's not worth it, i did missions for some time in the past and even got a noctis for salvaging, but in the end it wasn't worth it for me(agents that constantly sent me 2-4 jumps way made it horrible).If u get missions in the same system and rarely 2-4 jumps away it might be actually worth your time to salvage. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
677
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Posted - 2013.06.18 20:31:00 -
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You could never make as much money from missioning as you could from salvaging if you cherry pick, the problem is it takes way longer to run the missions than salvage them. It took 11 minutes the other day to make 53 mil salvaging 2 "gone berserks" back to back the other day. No amount of hisec bounty plus LP will net you that much ISK.
But thats the thing with mission runners, they don't count the time manufacturing or playing market PvP in the equation.
we're gonna make them eat our ship, then ship out our ship, and then eat their ship that's made up of our ship that we made 'em eat. |
Marcus Walkuris
Aww yeahhh
11
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Posted - 2013.06.18 21:34:00 -
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The salvage and loot you pile up and sell in bulk or it takes forever to sell.
I prefer to wait until you have a respectable 2 bill loot ball, then sell off what sells around market average.
That said the corp "Pro Synergy" also accepts "bags of loot" or bags of modules and salvage and will sell and haul for you at a 10% fee. |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
1356
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Posted - 2013.06.18 21:37:00 -
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Airto TLA wrote:Numbers 'n hard math snipped...
Let's not over-think a simple question... This thread has clearly distinguished three classes of players (much like is already known about Eve Players): 1) hard-core ISK/HR drivers, 2) casual gamers that enjoy their intense gameplay, and 3) the "meh" chaise lounge chair players.
Hard-core ISK/HR'ers, generally, don't salvage and don't want to be pissed about it.
Casual Players (like me) do salvage when we have found that FOR OURSELVES that it pays off...
"Meh" lounge chair gamers really don't give a crap, and probably aren't even bothered to read this thread.
OP, you need to decide what works for you. Al the math in the Universe, all the Noctis or Dessy fits tweaked within' a breadth of life for salvaging, and all the long-winded Forums warrior responses won't change the fact that YOU have do decide whether it's worth it for YOU to salvage.
It ain't rocket science. Literally. 
"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
bloodknight2
Talledega Knights
PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
81
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Posted - 2013.06.18 22:01:00 -
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Get an alt with a noctis if you are doing lv4.
After a week, you will know which mission worth salvaging and within a week or 2 (Maybe 3-4 days if you play some hours per day), you should have enough isk in salvage to buy a plex and with 2 accounts, you will be able to decline more missions.
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Tanya Spade
Touring New Eden
4
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Posted - 2013.06.18 22:36:00 -
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Qalix wrote:OP, you'll note that most of the posts don't have much in the way of data or research in them. Yes there are many variables. But beware the "blitz" mantra. Blitz makes a lot of sense, in a lot of ways. But it's almost never as fast as you think it will be. One poster said he didn't include travel time because "it screws up the stats." Well, the stats are incomplete without the jumps, and that means they're essentially useless.
This and the "how much isk/hr in L4s" threads are probably the two most common mission threads of all time. Do your own research; it's the only way to know how well it works for YOU. In some cases, you might be missioning in high traffic areas. If so, your agent is going to send you several jumps each and every mission. In a low traffic area, you might never leave the system (I have one of those agents atm). If you compared my blitz stats with someone in a high traffic area, mine will be much better than his. Or another way to look at it, I could use his travel time as my salvage time and still be making more than him overall. Then there is also a difference in "solo" meaning one character and "solo" meaning one player, possibly several characters. If you did nothing but finish a mission, fly your salvager alt into the mission and just tractor stuff to a single point (which is easy and low stress and therefore matches up nicely with the target management of your mission runner), and turn on the salvagers when you have a few seconds to spare, then you aren't really using non-mission time to get your salvaging done.
it can be lucrative. It can also be a pain in the ass. Just try the scenarios and see how it goes. Keep in mind also that the blitzers aren't mentioning who they're missioning for. LP isn't equally valuable for all corporations. That is a CRITICAL detail in your opportunity cost math.
Very true. As has been said already a couple of times above; like most things, you have to find out what works for you.
Also, wrecks last 2 hours in space so use that to your advantage. You don't have to salvage after each and every mission; bookmark a few as time permits, then trundle out in your Noctis, or whatever, and salvage them all at once. It will add efficiency to your procedure if you're looking for such, very much so if you're mission-sites are few systems away. |
Kirkwood Ross
Golden Profession
34
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Posted - 2013.06.18 23:21:00 -
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The ultimate answer is "It depends on the mission."
Damn |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
1357
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Posted - 2013.06.18 23:49:00 -
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Kirkwood Ross wrote:The ultimate answer is "It depends on the mission."
Damn
The mission isn't going to tell anyone whether to spend the time salvaging, then selling or using the stuff.
The ultimate answer is, "Can I be bothered enough to do this?"
"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
3752
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Posted - 2013.06.19 08:06:00 -
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Option A: get a stopwatch, run a dozen missions and then salvage them, dispose of salvage on market, calculate ISK/hr.
Option B: contract bookmarks to Pro Synergy, get 10M ISK for simply abandoning wrecks and bookmarking them.
I know which works better for me. I am a chaise lounge casual player.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Nikolai Vodkov
Pro Synergy
44
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Posted - 2013.06.30 16:41:00 -
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I've done all these calculations for many missions long time ago (2 years) when I start Pro Synergy and put it into a spreadsheet format. The data now is outdated as CCP heavily nerfed the loot since I collected this data and added bounties to drones, but that should only serve to further prove the point.
Keep in mind that this data was collected using a T2 fitted maxed skilled Nightmare and T2 fitted Noctis for salvaging.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnebeCPrGmpndGVxcjRaaFNuU3ViekFuUzdEdzdyUVE#gid=1
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JAG Fox
GunStars
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Posted - 2013.06.30 17:25:00 -
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Nikolai Vodkov wrote:I've done all these calculations for many missions long time ago (2 years) when I started Pro Synergy and put all the data into a spreadsheet. The data is now outdated as CCP have heavily nerfed the loot and added bounties to drones, but that should only serve to further prove the point here. Keep in mind that this data was collected using a T2 fitted maxed skilled Nightmare and T2 fitted Noctis for salvaging. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnebeCPrGmpndGVxcjRaaFNuU3ViekFuUzdEdzdyUVE#gid=1
Hello Niko.. I don't have a google account. Can you give me a summary?
Kisses!Foxie. |
Cage Man
237
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Posted - 2013.06.30 20:22:00 -
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JAG Fox wrote:Nikolai Vodkov wrote:I've done all these calculations for many missions long time ago (2 years) when I started Pro Synergy and put all the data into a spreadsheet. The data is now outdated as CCP have heavily nerfed the loot and added bounties to drones, but that should only serve to further prove the point here. Keep in mind that this data was collected using a T2 fitted maxed skilled Nightmare and T2 fitted Noctis for salvaging. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnebeCPrGmpndGVxcjRaaFNuU3ViekFuUzdEdzdyUVE#gid=1 Hello Niko.. I don't have a google account. Can you give me a summary?
Like all good sales propaganda it says you make less if you shoot and loot yourself, in most cases. Use Pro Synergy and you make more. What is doesn't however show, which seems to be the case in most comments so far, is what the outcome will be if you actually did something with the loot\salvage once you have a lot of it, eg building rigs, etc.
Best is to try it for yourself and see, not everyone can be bothered getting a BP and making stuff. I can guarantee you though that all those buy orders for armor plates, etc.. are not to just resell them 
The thick plottens... |
Mocam
EVE University
Ivy League
287
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Posted - 2013.06.30 21:08:00 -
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Civ Kado wrote:I keep hearing people say that it's not even worth salvaging level IV missions when you're solo, because in the time it takes you to salvage you can do one or two more missions, which net you roughly the same amount of isk. So, is that true? Most times I am soloing missions and salvaging them afterwards (even level Is), but I'm not sure if it's better to not salvage now.
"Settle once and for all - which is the best ship in EVE!" -- this depends on a wide array of opinions and situations -- so does your question.
How fast can you do them?
What mission did you get (quantity)?
What types of salvage may you get? from the wrecks?
What missions *might* you get next?
How important is "not losing standings" (rejecting missions) vs income?
yada yada yada...
It's not so simple as salvage or not. If you hit a string of junk missions that you reject, or missions that take you longer to fly through them and such... A lot depends on it and even your question...
"... not even worth salvaging L4's ... which net you roughly the same ..." -- roughly the same?
That's "toss a coin" on which you prefer doing yet for some it's better to salvage while others it's better to just grab another one and run it - that's by individual choice.
There really is no final resolution on this question, just like my smart mouthed question at the start of this post. |
ReZoon
The Arcanum
Pwnasaurus.
3
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:08:00 -
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Like a few have mentioned, salvage drones...
I honestly rarely use combat drones unless I can't pop the frigs before they get to me. I just kill stuff and let the drones do the work, works like a champ. Also, finish a one pocket mission, deploy drones, go have a smoke or crap, bammo, all salvaged heh
Then if it's a profitable loot mission (most have been metioned) I come back and loot the cans after a couple missions. |
Guywood Threepbrush
Motsu Mission Monkeys
0
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Posted - 2013.07.01 06:45:00 -
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I realise the OP wants a clear cut answer but I think it's a case of skill points, LP returns and enemy faction.
Why skillpoints?
If you can't kill things quick enough then salvaging will give you equal or slightly more isk/tick than going off and trying to do the next one. If you're in a marauder, you can salvage as you go.
LP returns?
LP returns are the hidden variable. you will always be able to get 1k/LP. If you're lucky enough to find an item that sells for 3k/LP and does so regularly then blitzing is likely a great idea.
Enemy faction?
Guristas have good loot but lousy salvage. Angels have great loot and great salvage, as does EoM. And once again, their "value" as loot or salvage targets decrease or increase depending on which ship you're sitting in.
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
694
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Posted - 2013.07.01 06:50:00 -
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Quote:LP returns?
LP returns are the hidden variable. you will always be able to get 1k/LP. If you're lucky enough to find an item that sells for 3k/LP and does so regularly then blitzing is likely a great idea.
And that's the kicker. Yes, you can make a shitload of cash from LP if you take the time to convert it at a high rate. Which takes a shitload of time. Which lowers your ISK over time ratio.
Eve is Real |
Qalix
Long Jump.
23
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Posted - 2013.07.02 16:57:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Quote:LP returns?
LP returns are the hidden variable. you will always be able to get 1k/LP. If you're lucky enough to find an item that sells for 3k/LP and does so regularly then blitzing is likely a great idea. And that's the kicker. Yes, you can make a shitload of cash from LP if you take the time to convert it at a high rate. Which takes a shitload of time. Which lowers your ISK over time ratio.
^^ This. If you do the research (lpstock.ru), you'll see the highest returns are on items you build from BPCs bought with LP. You'll also notice, once you enter the market, that you're now engaged in market PvP with the other guys trying to do the same thing. Shoot for 1k to 2k return, of which there are many options in many corporations. |
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
170
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Posted - 2013.07.03 08:00:00 -
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The answer to the question is based on time chunks you play in v.s. skill level.
Once you get to the top 1% of mission runners the question really shows up.
You burn though missions so fast that you don't have time to salvage right?
Wrong. You will need to salvage more than ever before if you play in large chunks.
Drone missions don't pay. You turning them down? You turning down missions v.s. the major 4 empires?
At some point it's such a pain to get to the next agent that you actually make more isk by stretching out the time to get missions done.
I'd chose the solo salvage/loot anytime I can't help a buddy or a new player out by splitting the salvage/loot with them.
It feels like more isk per hour when I loot/salvage too. I've had 30 min chunks of mission/loot see 56 million total between the bounty/reward/loot/salvage not including the LP.
When you have a maxed out noctis and use it to the up most of it's ability you'll see that loot/salvaging is always the answer. Until then your ability or lack of ability to loot/salvage quickly will decide the answer.
Don't slow your missions down with salvage drones.
Stack your book marks in order and have 3-5 missions worth to pick up at once.
Learn to use salvage drones on the noctis. Don't bother tractor beaming in wrecks with no loot. Just use one drone per wreck. |
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