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Civ Kado
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.17 20:34:00 -
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I keep hearing people say that it's not even worth salvaging level IV missions when you're solo, because in the time it takes you to salvage you can do one or two more missions, which net you roughly the same amount of isk. So, is that true? Most times I am soloing missions and salvaging them afterwards (even level Is), but I'm not sure if it's better to not salvage now. |
Mykal Day
Anal Cactii Assaulters Brothers of Tangra
2
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Posted - 2013.06.17 20:41:00 -
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As far as I know it isn't worth it. |
Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
289
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Posted - 2013.06.17 20:55:00 -
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Take the middle road. Send out salvage drones while you getting to the gate or repping your shield/armor. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first! |
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
83
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Posted - 2013.06.17 20:55:00 -
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There isn't really a "once and for all" answer. It depends on a large number of factors, including (but not limited to):
- Your salvaging skills
- Your combat skills
- Your Social skills
- Your market skills
- Your reprocessing skills and corp standing
- How much you can get for the NPC corp's LP
- Your available mission ships
- Which missions you accept
- Your skill/tolerance for market games
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Ifly Uwalk
Empire Tax Collection Agency
776
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Posted - 2013.06.17 21:17:00 -
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Sometimes. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
1309
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Posted - 2013.06.17 21:25:00 -
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There are way, way too many variables to figure this out "once and for all". Hell, it even shifts depending on the price of salvage.
Best idea: try it out. Run missions like mad for ten hours. Work out an hourly rate. Run missions and salvage for ten hours. Work out another hourly rate. Compare. Try to identify critical factors. You might find that, I don't know, salvaging is worthwhile for missions where you get armor plates, and worthwhile on all missions if tripped power circuits are above a certain value. You just have to test it out; there's no magic answer.
We do know, however, that the fast you can complete missions the less worthwhile it is to salvage -- especially if you have a half-decent LP conversion rate. Whether you're in that position is something only you can determine. |
Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
198
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Posted - 2013.06.17 21:30:00 -
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I salvage everything in a maxed out Noctis, and I get a lot more more from the salvage on most L4s than I get from bounties and mission rewards. Especially with the way NPCs eat drones now, running the mission itself is basically break even when you figure the lost drones and ammo. Salvaging only costs you time without any ammo or drones burned up, and it takes me less time to salvage any mission than it took to clear it, so spending less time, to get more ISK, with no resources burned, is nearly always more productive than running another mission in the same time.
That said, if I had something that could clear missions quicker than a T2 fitted Mael, or if I ran in a pimped out T3 and blitzed everything, stopping only to loot tags, then maybe then I'd make more per hour just running them nonstop.
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Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1354
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Posted - 2013.06.17 21:58:00 -
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1. Define "worth it" 2. If you live and breathe grinding missions and making lousy isk from mission rewards and bounties as fast as possible, nothing but trolling the cheat pages, killing, and running back to an agent matter.
There's nothing else to say. How fast you go beyond that depends on what you consider fun, whether the loot and salvage is worth it to you, and whether you buy the elitist line of crap that gets dished out daily here.
I salvage all L4's and L3's; I sell the valuable loot on the market, keep all salvage material to build and sell T1 rigs, and use many of the non-valuable loot to help with my invention success rates. To me, personally, it's very worth it. I make millions doing so, and couldn't really give a flying you-know-what about getting to the next mission in 30 seconds versus four minutes.
I really don't understand why this keeps getting asked. If you guys are so intent to leave behind the ISK on your L4's, message me in-game and I'll clean it up for you. No charge. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1354
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Posted - 2013.06.17 21:58:00 -
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Mykal Day wrote:As far as I know it isn't worth it.
Wow. Awesome answer. +1 internets for you. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Gimme more Cynos
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2013.06.17 22:48:00 -
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If all you want to min/max your ISK/hour == Blitzing (with market research and sometimes manufacturing)
If that's not the case, do what you like. |
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Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
147
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Posted - 2013.06.17 23:36:00 -
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The definitive answer is: "maybe." I can has blogging skills! |
Vexidious
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2013.06.18 04:03:00 -
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In general, it is worth salvaging in the following circumstances:
1) You are flying a Marauder and are salvaging as you go. (Generally, only the large wrecks.) 2) You have low DPS, and as a result you can make more or equal ISK/hour through salvage. 3) You have medium DPS, and only salvage the more lucrative missions (Angel Extravaganza, etc.) 4) You use an alt to salvage while you are missioning.
If you are flying a high DPS ship, it is generally not worth salvaging (except on an alt). This is especially true if you can get a good LP conversion rate (1000+ ISK/LP).
If you are going to salvage and are not flying a Marauder, do it in a Noctis. It is probably never worth salvaging in a destroyer. |
Job Valador
Super Moose Defence Force
69
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Posted - 2013.06.18 04:35:00 -
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Salvage drone the **** out of the pocket as you fight. [IMG]http://imageshack.us/a/img836/7059/c00286794da9496e2b391.jpg[/IMG]
Rule 34 ^ |
Robert Saint
Playright
65
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Posted - 2013.06.18 06:30:00 -
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I would have to say YES, it is sort of fun to do it. It's a bit like treasure hunting. Missions are a bit redundant if you do them often, so adding another profitable game play is enjoyable.
I have a dedicated Maxed out Noctis pilot that is part of my 4 toon fleet, he tags along and loots/salvages all missions. Here is my game play and profit examples.
I run 4 missions at a time (each toon gets one from the same agent) and the salvager averages around 60m ISK in salvage/loot for all four combined. Sometimes it's more, but rarely less. I takes about an hour to do all 4 missions if they are spread out. I wouldn't do it if I didn't have an alt. If I only play two toons, I don't salvage, just loot with the cargo holds as I kill NPC's. |
Chi'Nane T'Kal
Interminatus Aeterna Anima
92
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Posted - 2013.06.18 08:07:00 -
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Salvaging missions is very worth it, if you cherrypick what to salvage. Knowing which missions to salvage and which aren't worth it takes a bit of experience or interwebs research.
Run missions for about 1.5h, salvage the cherries for <30 mins, profit.
Noctis and halfway decent skills required. Salvaging V will seriously speed up the process. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10183
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Posted - 2013.06.18 09:03:00 -
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Civ Kado wrote:I keep hearing people say that it's not even worth salvaging level IV missions when you're solo, because in the time it takes you to salvage you can do one or two more missions, which net you roughly the same amount of isk. So, is that true? Most times I am soloing missions and salvaging them afterwards (even level Is), but I'm not sure if it's better to not salvage now.
For a few specific missions (eg: Gone Beserk) it is. And ofc missions with empire faction rats, since you're collecting the tags anyway.
Generally, the faster you can do a mission, the more efficient it is to just do another than salvage. So there's no definite answer; missions that are obviously worth salvaging for a 2M SP pilot flying a drake with meta 3 launchers are blitz-fodder for a 50MP SP guy in a Mach.
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Bastion Arzi
Militant Mermen LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
18
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Posted - 2013.06.18 09:11:00 -
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It isnt worth it solo imo.
what i did was run the missions and contract the wrecks out to salvaging corps such as pro synergy. The cut is 45% to the mission runner 45% to the salvager and 10% to the corp.
They have a website www.prosynergyeve.com
I made plenty of isk that way. Oh if you do decide to go with pro synergy pls tell them i referred u. thanks |
The Djego
Hellequin Inc. Mean Coalition
100
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Posted - 2013.06.18 09:13:00 -
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Civ Kado wrote:I keep hearing people say that it's not even worth salvaging level IV missions when you're solo, because in the time it takes you to salvage you can do one or two more missions, which net you roughly the same amount of isk. So, is that true? Most times I am soloing missions and salvaging them afterwards (even level Is), but I'm not sure if it's better to not salvage now.
To answer this question for your mission ship, mission speed, LP/ISK rate and rat type you need this things:
- a stop watch - a calculator - excel(or other calculation software) - a bit of time to analyse how much the loot/salvage is worth and how much time you spend to collect it
Now you run missions, take the times with and without salvage/loot and break it down to ISK\h. Then you have your final answer for this question for your ship, play style and LP offers. Improve discharge rigging: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=246166&find=unread
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dexington
Dexington Corporation
664
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Posted - 2013.06.18 09:57:00 -
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I take it you mean both salvage and loot, because the salvage alone is definitely not worth it.
I use a marauder for missions, and the loot and salvage from hi-sec is not that great. Last time i did a standing grind, i did around 35 missions, and when i was done i think my loot container had an estimated value of around 600M total including a mindlink from a story line missions and implants from the dread pirate.
Without "bonus" loot i would say salvage and loot is around 7M pr mission, but this is mainly because a few missions give extremely good loot while most don't really give anything, eg. gone berserk can easily give 35-50M in loot.
I would say found out which missions are worth looting, and ignore everything else. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Ylariana
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2013.06.18 10:15:00 -
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Civ Kado wrote:I keep hearing people say that it's not even worth salvaging level IV missions when you're solo, because in the time it takes you to salvage you can do one or two more missions, which net you roughly the same amount of isk. So, is that true? Most times I am soloing missions and salvaging them afterwards (even level Is), but I'm not sure if it's better to not salvage now.
If you have a salvage Alt it is almost always worth it to salvage, if you stop between missions and grab a salvage boat, just know which missions salvage into good value. For my salvage alt, I just fly in, release a pack of salvager drones, get them working, then lock wrecks and tractor them in. I then go back to the combat pilot window and carry on killing stuff in the next room/next mission, rinse and repeat as needed.
Drone missions have no loot other than the occasional Drone AI (which is worthless afaik), only salvage, so are rarely worth the effort. Guristas missions CAN be worth it, but the loot items tend to be lower value compared to other rat types Angels, Blood and Serpentis missions tend to have lots of valuable items and good salvage so are in most cases, worth the effort. However, some specific missions only have 3-4 BS rats so tend to not be worth the time. Gone Berserk against EOM is ALWAYS worth the time ALWAYS !!!
Missions against Mercenaries are a bit odd. They tend to pay rather well even with low BS numbers.
As a rule of thumb, the more Battleships you killed in the mission, the better the loot/salvage value will be.
TL:DR If you do your own salvage, make the decision based on the type of Rat and the number battleships you killed int he mission. If you run a Salvager Alt, its almost always worth it. Drone missions are almost never worth the effort. |
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Tiya A'raund
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.06.18 10:46:00 -
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Pirate Invasion(Sansha): 12min (9min) 21min Reward = 6m Bounty = 9m 45m/h Loot = 9m 60m/h Bounty + Loot = 18m 51m/h Total = 24m 68m/h
This is from my CNR with crappy LP reward (800isk/lp) and not maxed social skills. I have more but most of them have not been updated for the new CNR, all of them show that salvage is worth it. This is only correct assuming my skill level and mission speed with a bad LP reward.
Times are measured from landing to the mission from warp, ignoring travel time because it can wary from 0-4jumps screwing up the stats.
Generally speaking, the more time you spend doing the mission (bad skills), the better it is to salvage, and the worse your LP reward is, the better it is to salvage. But I tend to only salvage missions with near to 10mil in bounty, going back to just a few wrecks just seems not worth the trouble...
Actually now that I look the new numbers again, it is no longer worth it for me to salvage: Bounty + Reward = 15mil 75m/h
I should do all the stats for the missions again I suppose. ;( |
Boomhaur
152
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Posted - 2013.06.18 11:10:00 -
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Simple, I salvage missions when I occasionally loot by dropping salvage drones. Though that is rare.
Chances are now days if I were to ever salvage a mission it's because I ran a bunch of them and want to go afk for awhile so I grab a BC with a full set of salvage drones, highs filled with drone link augmentors, and buffer tank. Warp in set drones to salvage and go afk with more isk in the cargo hold. Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you. |
Ruhm Runner
Barrett's Privateers Organization
1
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Posted - 2013.06.18 11:17:00 -
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I salvage almost every lvl 4 mission I run...dual boxing of course. Some missions are well worth it considering the salvage itself and the loot (which can sell for a handsome sum pending the items). I can salvage my missions in say 15-20 minutes due to running my alt right behind my mission runner.
The bigger missions like extravaganza, worlds collide, the blockade and some others give out excellent salvage and the loot can provide from 5-20 mil extra isk depending on the items. This also depends on the faction your fighting against as well...I only recently got back into the game after a 2 year break but back then angle cartel had way better salvage and guristas were at the bottom of the barrel. Not sure if its still the same but I do find the quality like so....angel, serpentis, sansha and then guristas.
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Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
339
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Posted - 2013.06.18 11:41:00 -
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Vexidious wrote:4) You use an alt to salvage while you are missioning.
Why not turn that alt into another mission runner instead? |
Vexidious
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2013.06.18 13:07:00 -
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Caitlyn Tufy wrote:Vexidious wrote:4) You use an alt to salvage while you are missioning. Why not turn that alt into another mission runner instead?
Because they currently have very low skills, and you can train for a Noctis in about a week. Plus, running salvage + mission is much easier than running mission x 2. Finally, you may want to train your alt for something other than combat. |
ExcalibursTemplar
Citadel Enterprises
1
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Posted - 2013.06.18 13:52:00 -
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Civ Kado wrote:I keep hearing people say that it's not even worth salvaging level IV missions when you're solo, because in the time it takes you to salvage you can do one or two more missions, which net you roughly the same amount of isk. So, is that true? Most times I am soloing missions and salvaging them afterwards (even level Is), but I'm not sure if it's better to not salvage now.
Personally i don't think its worth it as the actually salvage you get now is meh. |
Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
199
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Posted - 2013.06.18 15:17:00 -
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Quote:Why not turn that alt into another mission runner instead? My salvage alt is my hauler (freighter / orca) pilot. It would take me a year to train her up to be a non-shite mission running toon, which is time I'd rather spend getting her into jump freighters and a Rorq instead. All you need to max out a salvage toon is ORE Industrial V / Salvaging V / Science V; Hull Upgrades IV for cargo expanders; whatever rigging skill is required for salvage tackle; and a couple add ons like sebo and MWD. You might need to train Targeting III as well, but that's about it. |
Qalix
Long Jump.
17
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Posted - 2013.06.18 15:43:00 -
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OP, you'll note that most of the posts don't have much in the way of data or research in them. Yes there are many variables. But beware the "blitz" mantra. Blitz makes a lot of sense, in a lot of ways. But it's almost never as fast as you think it will be. One poster said he didn't include travel time because "it screws up the stats." Well, the stats are incomplete without the jumps, and that means they're essentially useless.
This and the "how much isk/hr in L4s" threads are probably the two most common mission threads of all time. Do your own research; it's the only way to know how well it works for YOU. In some cases, you might be missioning in high traffic areas. If so, your agent is going to send you several jumps each and every mission. In a low traffic area, you might never leave the system (I have one of those agents atm). If you compared my blitz stats with someone in a high traffic area, mine will be much better than his. Or another way to look at it, I could use his travel time as my salvage time and still be making more than him overall. Then there is also a difference in "solo" meaning one character and "solo" meaning one player, possibly several characters. If you did nothing but finish a mission, fly your salvager alt into the mission and just tractor stuff to a single point (which is easy and low stress and therefore matches up nicely with the target management of your mission runner), and turn on the salvagers when you have a few seconds to spare, then you aren't really using non-mission time to get your salvaging done.
it can be lucrative. It can also be a pain in the ass. Just try the scenarios and see how it goes. Keep in mind also that the blitzers aren't mentioning who they're missioning for. LP isn't equally valuable for all corporations. That is a CRITICAL detail in your opportunity cost math. |
Airto TLA
Puppeteers of Doom
46
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Posted - 2013.06.18 17:31:00 -
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TO truly answer this you would need ot set up a little questionaire, with a series of value questions with values positvie and negative depending on your circumstances. SOrt of like"
Can you fly a Pirate BS: +3 But not Maruaders +3 DO you have a pimped Pirate BS +2
Can you not fly a BS effectivly yet: -3
Does you Agent provide:
800isk/lp -3 1.2k/lp 0 2.5k/lp +6
Can you fly a Noctis -2 WIth all relevant 5s -2
DO you have an alt scratching his bum who could fly a Noctis w/5s -10 (ignore values from prior question if this is true)
Then basically +4 or higher, not worth it +3 to -3 sometimes worth it dependant on mission -3 or less normall worth it. |
Marcus Walkuris
Aww yeahhh
11
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Posted - 2013.06.18 18:15:00 -
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Salvaging on the same character is absolutely worth it.
Trick is to just be smart about it and get to know your missions. Yday I did "the assault" 17 mil in rewards/bounties, 32,5 in loot/salvage. That is rattlesnake shoots, noctis cleans up. Mission salvage/loot is usually pretty steady but once in a while they'll yield way more then mission rewards.
You don't salvage when you do a lower value mission 2 jumps out. You salvage lower value missions once you did 3 in a row as to have as little jumps as possible. Larger higher value missions typically allow you to do 2 of them to fill up a noctis hold with 2-3 cargo extenders.
Worthwhile missions are: The assault, gone berserk, damsel in distress, any missions with a decent amount of mercenaries, the blockade, Extravaganza missions (do not forget to kill the buildings), dread pirate scarlet. Couple I forgot Im sure. But smaller missions are totally worth it, taken you save them up to do all in one go later. Just don't do drone missions. |
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