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Garon Gaulle
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.18 02:13:00 -
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So I tried to login to Eve one day and all my accounts were banned.
I was unable to login to any account even to find out what was the problem for 24 days.
( I have 6 active accounts and my son had two)
So after a 24 day ban on ALL my accounts I petition CCP to find out why.
They tell me I was botting.
I talk to my son who lives in same house and found he was botting without me knowing.
I add this to my petition to CCP.
CCP refuses to acknowledge that they did any thing wrong:
ie... Email me first to find out WHO was botting at this location before doing a ban.
Not only that but now ALL my accounts can NEVER be sold or transferred.
My son no longer wants to play eve and I want to transfer his accounts to my accounts.
CCP has refused to allow this.
They say that per:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/team-security-banning-bad-guys-and-also-bad-guys/
Specifically in this section:
"[...]characters who receive a warning such as this will have the characters locked to the account. This means that once you've received a warning for botting your character transfer privileges have been revoked in perpetuity."
I tell them that I received NO warning before being banned and then PERMA banned from character transfer.
They close the petition saying they will do nothing further.
I think this is a policy that is not consistent nor appropriate for my circumstances. |
Xeraphi
The Gun Runners
42
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Posted - 2013.06.18 02:18:00 -
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You could just transfer his characters to new accounts and let your son keep playing, which would destroy the punishment he received.
As for you, getting 6 accounts banned is awful however it does show they take botting seriously. Again, if they unban you, what's to stop you from allowing your son access to your accounts?
Target death animation flicker problem #2
Target death animation flicker problem #1
Please fix before June 21 I'd like to keep playing EVE! |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
5580
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Posted - 2013.06.18 02:19:00 -
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Garon Gaulle wrote:CCP refuses to acknowledge that they did any thing wrong:
Because they didn't.
-áMy (mostly boring) Youtube channel. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3177
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Posted - 2013.06.18 02:20:00 -
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Garon Gaulle wrote:CCP refuses to acknowledge that they did any thing wrong:
ie... Email me first to find out WHO was botting at this location before doing a ban.
They didn't do anything wrong. Do you really expect them to send you an email saying something like "Hey, we think you might be botting. Are you botting?". Of course not. Someone at your location was botting & they took the appropriate action according to their Terms of Service & the gaming industry standard. It's up to you to prove otherwise, which you can't because you've admitted to it.
Garon Gaulle wrote:I tell them that I received NO warning before being banned and then PERMA banned from character transfer.
They close the petition saying they will do nothing further.
The warning you received was in the form of their two strike policy (oh, & the rules you can easily find regarding the matter). The first strike is in the form of a temporary suspension & is the warning. The second strike is a permanent ban.
The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Hessian Arcturus
S.W.O.R.D. Navy
157
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Posted - 2013.06.18 02:23:00 -
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Tbh this will be locked...
Also, there is no proof that it was not you that was botting. All they know is that a bot was active from your location and that they cannot your word that it wasn't you.
You say you did not do it, if you can find proof. Hard, solid proof. Then nothing to worry about. However, that daid, yours and your sons word is not proof unfortunately.
It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3177
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Posted - 2013.06.18 02:25:00 -
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Almost forgot...
Another highsec bot down.
The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Eurydia Vespasian
Nova Insula Mining and Industrial
3947
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Posted - 2013.06.18 02:25:00 -
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i recommend beating your child, in accordance to ancient and proven child upbringing methods, as punishment. |
Hessian Arcturus
S.W.O.R.D. Navy
158
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Posted - 2013.06.18 02:27:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Almost forgot...
Another highsec bot down.
Can't complain there...
It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself. |
Aliventi
Burning Napalm
Northern Coalition.
116
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Posted - 2013.06.18 02:28:00 -
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Good. I hope you learned your lesson. |
Garon Gaulle
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.06.18 02:37:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:[The second strike is a permanent ban.
There was no need for a "2nd strike" as no one was botting after the first incident.
That is my point of contention.
They say you would be warned before you would have a permaban on transferring any accounts.
But there was no 2nd botting act.
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1086
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Posted - 2013.06.18 02:40:00 -
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Ah the old my son was botting defense.
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Ryuu Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2013.06.18 02:40:00 -
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Good to hear another bot or two down! CCP didn't do anything wrong on their part as it was your sons fault end of story but I do feel for you about you losing your accounts over his selfish actions.
Ganking miners has gone too far. Ganking is wrong, and bad. There should be a new, stronger word for Ganking like badwrong or badong. Yes, Ganking is badong. From this moment, I will stand for the opposite of Ganking, gnodab.
- Said no-one, ever. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3180
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Posted - 2013.06.18 02:46:00 -
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Garon Gaulle wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:[The second strike is a permanent ban. There was no need for a "2nd strike" as no one was botting after the first incident. That is my point of contention. They say you would be warned before you would have a permaban on transferring any accounts. But there was no 2nd botting act.
No, it's pretty clear in the rules provided that an account which has received the first strike will be banned from performing character transfers. Your warning against further botting was the first strike, next time the solution will be permanent.
You had the first Dev Blog regarding the matter provided to you, now here are the fairly recent revisions: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/begun-the-bot-war-has/
The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
1642
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Posted - 2013.06.18 02:49:00 -
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Garon Gaulle wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:[The second strike is a permanent ban. There was no need for a "2nd strike" as no one was botting after the first incident. That is my point of contention. They say you would be warned before you would have a permaban on transferring any accounts. But there was no 2nd botting act.
Quote:Specifically in this section:
"[...]characters who receive a warning such as this will have the characters locked to the account. This means that once you've received a warning for botting your character transfer privileges have been revoked in perpetuity."
The "warning" was the ban. That ban revokes character transfer privileges. As a 2nd hit is a permaban, it should start to make sense when you think about it.
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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Ajunta Pal
Grime Ink
Advanced Vector
5
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Posted - 2013.06.18 02:50:00 -
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If you are paying for your sons account, then it is your account not your sons, he was just using it. However if the accounts were on seperate payment methods/names then there is your proof that you weren't the one botting. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3180
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Posted - 2013.06.18 02:55:00 -
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Ajunta Pal wrote:If you are paying for your sons account, then it is your account not your sons, he was just using it. However if the accounts were on seperate payment methods/names then there is your proof that you weren't the one botting.
Except for the part where all of those accounts were logging in from the same location.
The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Mara Villoso
Big Box
96
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Posted - 2013.06.18 03:05:00 -
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If you were actually the parent, you wouldn't have posted. Cause you'd be embarassed that your son put one over on you. Grow a pair. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
556
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Posted - 2013.06.18 03:06:00 -
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If the story is 100% accurate, I think we all feel for you- especially if your son was doing this vile act while you were serving the saviour of high sec bumping miners.
That said, I don't think these types of threads are appropriate. You are discussing the results of a petition of something against the rules- really 2 violations here. And did you make a brand new account, posting this thread from the library, to share this story?
Perhaps though CCP will someday allow a punishment somewhere in the middle. I would suggest forfeiture of all the isk gained from bot-able activities on the accounts times three. Hey, at least you'd still have your skills.
Last but not least, I assume you son was of proper legal age to accept the EULA and no account sharing was going on.
Imagine CCP's difficulty in separating your situation from everyone else's. I don't mean to troll, so don't take it that way... but remember in The Shawshank Redemption, everyone was innocent.
See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
Jon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
6
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Posted - 2013.06.18 03:06:00 -
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Sounds like a parenting issue. I can't say I'm surprised that someone who reeks of entitlement, misguided resentment and unaccountability raised a son like that.
You should probably quit EVE and spend more time with your son so that he doesn't really screw up his life instead of just a video game. |
Elliavir
Miskatonic Mercantile
22
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Posted - 2013.06.18 03:07:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Garon Gaulle wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:[The second strike is a permanent ban. There was no need for a "2nd strike" as no one was botting after the first incident. That is my point of contention. They say you would be warned before you would have a permaban on transferring any accounts. But there was no 2nd botting act. No, it's pretty clear in the rules provided that an account which has received the first strike will be banned from performing character transfers. Your warning against further botting was the first strike, next time the solution will be permanent. You had the first Dev Blog regarding the matter provided to you, now here are the fairly recent revisions: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/begun-the-bot-war-has/
^ This. If you read the entire paragraph, instead of just a select quote that you interpret to mean "Blizzard-style warning", you would understand that the ban you received is a "CCP-style warning". They don't say you would be warned BEFORE your characters are locked to the account... they say getting that first warning will lock characters to their accounts.
The problem you are having isn't with CCP. It's much, much more local. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
558
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Posted - 2013.06.18 03:11:00 -
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One more thing...
This thread needs to be locked and deleted. If your wives find out how easy this is, they will start Eve accounts and do what the son did on purpose.
Edit* another observation: The nickname is "toon" not "tune." Though some people of class refer to it as space man.
See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
Kassion Lefeir
State War Academy
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.06.18 03:18:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:One more thing...
This thread needs to be locked and deleted. If your wives find out how easy this is, they will start Eve accounts and do what the son did on purpose.
Edit* another observation: The nickname is "toon" not "tune." Though some people of class refer to it as space man.
Maybe the music being played while getting their Eve on was banned? |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics
CODE.
344
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Posted - 2013.06.18 03:26:00 -
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This thread is now about music you play while in EVE.
Personally, I'm a fan of "Helena Beat" by Foster The People, when roaming.
Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
944
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Posted - 2013.06.18 03:28:00 -
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You know this all could have been avoided if you hadn't botted in the first place.
This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
GreenSeed
483
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Posted - 2013.06.18 03:46:00 -
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afaik, CCP bans accounts that were used for botting, or received isk from botting.
maybe he didn't use your accounts for botting, but perhaps that fathers day EVE present was paid with illicit funds... just a thought.
i guess its time to have that "talk", the one where you explain to your son that winners don't use drugs, drunk girls are assumed to be saying no even if they are unconscious, and that there are no shortcuts to success. also, please do mention a thing or two about aliens... they live among us. and unless we unite to fight them they will overthrow our governments replacing our leaders with zombies and it will all be lost, ALL OF IT I TELL YOU. |
Ghazu
600
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Posted - 2013.06.18 03:47:00 -
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oh god call child services
http://www.minerbumping.com/
lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984 |
ACE McFACE
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve
1364
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Posted - 2013.06.18 04:14:00 -
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Heh
You should be notified if someone quotes your post so you can continue the argument! |
Digital Messiah
Firesworn Incorporated
Firesworn Nation
319
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Posted - 2013.06.18 04:53:00 -
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Letting your child bot is like buying them heroine. You are giving them money for something they will use and be inactive on for a majority of the time. Botting = heroine, what kind of a role model are you trying to be here?
Something clever |
Marmaduke Hatplate
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.06.18 04:55:00 -
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It's only a game. NCSoft permabanned my 8 years of progress and 38 alts for no reason at all when they shut down City of Heroes. At least you can start over. |
xpl0de
Dissident Aggressors
Mordus Angels
24
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Posted - 2013.06.18 05:02:00 -
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" OH KNOES I SWEAR IT WASNT ME CCP! IT WAS MY SON"
Oldest excuse in the book OP fail.
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