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Fuujin
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Posted - 2003.08.10 02:38:00 -
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Never really had a problem with gate cmaping pirates, it could be avoided. But for gods sake do something regarding the pirates who gate camp at secure sectors because of their -10.0 sec rating which prevents concord for firing upon them! Treat them as griefers or whatever.
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Xelios
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Posted - 2003.08.10 02:49:00 -
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Treat them as exploiters and ban them, it's exactly what they're doing.
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Indesin
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Posted - 2003.08.10 02:56:00 -
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Stop using the term ęgrieferĘ. I find it offensive, as does my corporation.
 
=[ =( 8(
*sniff*
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Fuujin
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Posted - 2003.08.10 03:30:00 -
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hehe i beg for your forgivness 
treat them as "bad people"
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Vacuole
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Posted - 2003.08.10 04:10:00 -
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Whoah, I'm a little slow.
How is it that -10 sec is not attracting CONCORDE? Is that some kind of known bug or something?
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Fuujin
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Posted - 2003.08.10 04:12:00 -
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from what i hear...concord responds when the person does somethign to lower their sec rating, but since -10.0 is the lowest you can go if a person attacks someone while they have-10.0 they dont lose anything since they cant go any lower.
So concord doesn't respond
or something to that extent...
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Cruise
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Posted - 2003.08.10 04:15:00 -
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A well known bug by quite a few -10 player pirates, yeah. They either camp at a gate and snipe down unsuspecting noobs or attack an AFK belt miner in a 1.0 and get away without a scratch. The fact that they're doing it fully aware that it's an exploit and subject to being banned baffles me, really.
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StealthNet
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Posted - 2003.08.10 06:58:00 -
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A well known bug by quite a few -10 player pirates, yeah. They either camp at a gate and snipe down unsuspecting noobs or attack an AFK belt miner in a 1.0 and get away without a scratch. The fact that they're doing it fully aware that it's an exploit and subject to being banned baffles me, really.
In fact, I wonder why it is taking so long. Some pirates are using this exploit for a week now. btw, there is another exploit where even if you do not have a -10.0 sec rating, you are able to attack someone without getting concord after you.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.10 07:04:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 10/08/2003 07:04:51
More than a week, StealthNet.
Go back through the General discussion forum and looking for a post by a certain female pirate about her sec rating dropping in non-empire space - in that thread she admits to taking advantage of the "no sec drop in Yulai = no CONCORD action" bug.
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.08.10 07:46:00 -
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Edited by: Molly on 10/08/2003 07:47:20
"no sec drop in Yulai = no CONCORD action" bug."
Quote me please :-).
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.10 08:15:00 -
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Molly.
I've tried finding it but I am pretty damn sure it got deleted during the last bout of spamming.
As it is, I've decided I don't really care if you're exploiting - it doesn't affect me in any real sense.
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.08.10 08:23:00 -
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No, you can't quote me, because there is nothing to quote. Infact I have never been attacking someone with -10.0 in the 1.0 hubs.
I got my -10.0 in Nonni (0.5) and logged for the night. Next day it was at -9.9 and my rating is going down now. So even I was attacking some people in 1.0, it was never with -10.0.
I wish I'd have made some picutres of the cop repsonses there, this might help you all a bit.
As far for your decision, you will have no choice but to stop with accusing people of exploiting. You know it is against the forum rules and I have mailed a formal complaint against you to the forum moderation squad.
No need to hurt people with that.
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.10 08:25:00 -
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Cool.
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Padaxes
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Posted - 2003.08.10 08:26:00 -
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What I find distressing is the mentality involved. There is a huge thread arguing about whether it is an exploit, or legal or whatever. Thats not the issue here imho - the issue is the type of player that would even want to do this. If you look back over the history of this kind of problem - M0o, the increase in CONCORD prescence to ensure the safety of newbs in 1.0 space etc its quite obvious that the GMS want to protect newbs and are willing to make (drastic!) changes to the game in order to do it.
But STILL you get people finding every little loophole to continue to do it! Who cares if its an exploit, anyone with even the tiniest bit of sense can see that 1.0 space is supposed to be safe and trying to kill people there is going to upset new players, attract the attention (and annoy) the GMS and generally **** people off. But STILL they do it.
Clearly they are not players that are constructive to the game in any way. And my apologiese to all the `constructive` pirates out there who do bring something to the game.
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Sorcerers Apprentice
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Posted - 2003.08.10 08:30:00 -
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Why isn't a -10.0 Player attacked on Sight?
Empire Space is (IIRC) protected by Guns and/or Ships at the gates. Shouldn't they fire upon seeing someone with such a bad sec rating?
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ChaosTEK
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Posted - 2003.08.10 08:35:00 -
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No, you can't quote me, because there is nothing to quote. Infact I have never been attacking someone with -10.0 in the 1.0 hubs.
I got my -10.0 in Nonni (0.5) and logged for the night. Next day it was at -9.9 and my rating is going down now. So even I was attacking some people in 1.0, it was never with -10.0.
I wish I'd have made some picutres of the cop repsonses there, this might help you all a bit.
As far for your decision, you will have no choice but to stop with accusing people of exploiting. You know it is against the forum rules and I have mailed a formal complaint against you to the forum moderation squad.
No need to hurt people with that.
Umm Didn't you admit to exploiting this bug already.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=23854
Seems like Yulai and Amarr are popular places for people to pirate 1.0 systems... wonder why 
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.10 08:37:00 -
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That's the post I was looking for!
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.08.10 10:18:00 -
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No, that's not the post.
I still want a post from you where I state that I can attack people with -10.0 over and over in a 1.0 system not being affected by police?
I was always stating that police doesn't attack people with negative security rating which travel in 1.0 highway hubs, but they do it with people who attack others. That's a big difference.
But I bet you will even say the pirates removed the sentry guns in Yulai and the passive pirate tracking there. Blame CCP for it.
Btw the police forces which do the passive tracking and sentry guns are a joke for a good outfitted battleship. The CONCORD forces which repond to attacks in 1.0 are not. They come in large force and jam your arse to hell with their instant lock.
But keep on the whining, you people will never stop the whinage. You whined at 0.4, you whine now with the 1.0 and you even whine in 0.0 outside empire space. Whatever will happen, you will never stop.
I stated why I am ingoring the security rating system in my post you are quoting. I am roleplaying it  .
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
darth solo
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Posted - 2003.08.10 10:43:00 -
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I have an idea "DONT KILL NEW PLAYERS IN 1.0 SEC SPACE"
Just dont do it.
Ppl will leave, if u have found an exploit to kill these players it doesnt mean u have to do it, you have nothing to gain by killing, no!!MURDERING these players.
They are just finding out how to pilot new ship, just finding out how to use all the various items in this game, they need the safety to do it in, the safety that we all had.
Leave them alone, you are destroying the game, and you should all be "banned". How many players that get killed this cancel their account???. and these new players are worth more than 20 of you pirate scum.
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.08.10 10:53:00 -
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Edited by: Molly on 10/08/2003 10:53:20
"you have nothing to gain by killing"
That's not true. I got 4 x Partiall Hull Conversion Expander I and 1 x CU Vapor. Sold them cheap for 9 Million ISK. The 250k Isogen I didn't take :-(. That's out of 3 or 4 Industrials I destroyed in 1.0 hubs. I even had a good conversation with one of the persons later on.
Regarding the pirate scum. Back to the kindergarten, where you can try enforce your playstyle on others and learn that's not good to do so :P.
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.10 11:05:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 10/08/2003 11:07:15
Molly,
OK, I'm man enough to concede your point. You're not exploiting, you're not cheating, and neither of us are carebears.
However, is it really necessary to prey upon the n00b areas?
I understand your views on afk miners being a sad state of affairs but you might be podkilling n00bs and that just wont do.
According to the general feeling in this game I'm surprised we're getting ANY new players and I don't think them being blasted to smithereens for afk mining in a cheap Badger mk 1 will help matters.
It breeds frustration and disgust.
Count it as an apology for the exploit accusations if you like, but you're still wrong to podkill n00bs.
P.S: On a side note, there have been relatively FEW complaints from players being shot down in Yulai/Pator etc while afk mining so perhaps you aren't podkilling n00bs.
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.08.10 11:19:00 -
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Well, I wouldn't do this.
But giving me security rating hits in a 0.0 solar system in Providence outside the empire space with no sovereignity forced me to do it. I am roleplaying only here. Nothing else. I always stated empire space should remain safe. At least the 1.0 - 0.5 systems. And I always wondered why the 1.0 hubs do not have police tracking there and no sentry guns.
CONCORD is messing with me in my area, so I will mess with them in their area. Cause - action.
If they GMs could explain this security rating hits accordingly, I wouldn't do this.
But the fact that one neighbour system of a 0.0 empire space system gives security rating hits and one neighbour system of a 0.3 empire space in the same region doesn't give any is not explainable to me :-).
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
darth solo
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Posted - 2003.08.10 11:31:00 -
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ha ha!!. i knew that would get a comment.
1. dont take things so personally, its a role playing game, you have chosen to be a pirate, so you have chosen to get called names
2. by the looks of the posts, you are the main culprit for killing new players in 1.0 sec sys, and im book that makes you the most childish person in the game.
You are a threat to the survival of eve, and should be dealt with by the developers, you are only 1 account, and are not worth anymore than these new players, if i were ccp, i would see you as a risk to my profits and just delete your account.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.10 11:34:00 -
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At the end of the day though, Molly, are these unjust security hits causing you to lose items/ships?
Innocent bystanders are being hijacked because you can't get your own way?
I think we both know CCP won't listen to that (or any other demand).
It'll be fixed when they see fit - I doubt it's as high a priority as the CTD's they're currently fixing.
Have you tried testing the sec hits on the test server?
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Kerry
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Posted - 2003.08.10 11:34:00 -
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Whoa....
Did someone get podded by Molly???
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.10 11:35:00 -
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Quote:
ha ha!!. i knew that would get a comment.
1. dont take things so personally, its a role playing game, you have chosen to be a pirate, so you have chosen to get called names
2. by the looks of the posts, you are the main culprit for killing new players in 1.0 sec sys, and im book that makes you the most childish person in the game.
You are a threat to the survival of eve, and should be dealt with by the developers, you are only 1 account, and are not worth anymore than these new players, if i were ccp, i would see you as a risk to my profits and just delete your account.
It's hard to know when people are roleplaying being dumb or they are, in fact, just dumb.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2003.08.10 11:37:00 -
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Killing new players in so called "safe 1.0 space". These people are just getting the hang of the game, they arnt even sure how to use the ship. this first few weeks are important, u decide in this time if you are going to continue playing this game, u need the safety of these systems to get the feel of the game.
And as iv seen in alot of posts you seem to be the "main culprit".
That makes you the most "childish" person in the game.
You may not be to blame, as what we read in the forums is not always the truth, if u are guilty though, you should be dealt with by the developers. given 1 warning and then being banned. imo.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2003.08.10 11:40:00 -
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Edited by: darth solo on 11/08/2003 11:14:35
killing new players in 1.0 sec starting systems is the most "childish" thing you can do.
As accordinig to the posts, you seem to be the main culprit, that makes you the most childish person in the game.
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Can i just say **SORRY** for all the posts that mean the same thing. my connection at my work is so bad that it kept cutting off, so i didnt think they got entered, SORRY again.
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Queen Claire
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Posted - 2003.08.10 11:59:00 -
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just wait until they fix that bug, oh god they will burn... and blow... and burn...
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Jiere LaFortune
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Posted - 2003.08.10 13:38:00 -
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The reason you take sec hits in 0.0 space I BELIEVE is due to the **** that was going on several weeks ago with pirates who had +9 sec ratings who were podding people like popcorn just outside empire space, and then if a fleet of people showed p to deal with them they would run one system back to empire space where they were protected by CONCORD.
If pirates didn't constantly look for underhanded ways to exploit game mechanics in their favor, we wouldn't have half of these issues.
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