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Q 5
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.18 06:21:00 -
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I can see I'm getting filthy rich...not.
I'm sure I could get a bit more out of the ore but I just spent ~8 hours mining out a mission total ~take home pay, 44 million isk.
8 hours, spent mining in a covetor fully fitted for yield and mining drones, after reprocess I could sell outright for ~47+
Granted I let cycles run out but had an alt running ore to station so it was very much hands on.
The point, those that say hi sec is getting rich with the push of an easy button needs their diapers changed cause they are beyond full of it.
Average hourly take 5.2 on average, my skills are very good, T-2 strips with T-2 mining crystals, T-1 mining upgrade, T-1 mining drones. No implants.
And missions pay better but not like that's awesome awesome, it's a living wage.
So no, no nerfs should be considered what I get and many others here in hi is not WOW but ok bordering meh for many activities it's just knowledge on where to obtain isk'es that's makes you an above average earner in hi sec. that and skills.
I'm not even gonna answer any trolls my numbers are as they are, I know cause I'm looking at the dam n thing in my hanger. |

Kult Altol
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
426
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Posted - 2013.06.18 06:31:00 -
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When I solo mine in my Mack that's tank fitted with mining upgrades and t2 strippers. I pull an average of 5 mil in I think 30 minutes. Not very much. An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind.
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Q 5
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
70
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Posted - 2013.06.18 06:40:00 -
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Yeah as I said I was running an alt, letting cycles run out, keeping kids in line, and watching a movie (but still jumping back to eve when "the asteroid has been depleted" sounded), had I constantly been fussing and no family no movie I'm sure I could have done better but atleast I stayed awake and didn't fall into coma from all the excitement counting all the big big profits I was getting. |

Riot Girl
Thundercats The Initiative.
1101
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Posted - 2013.06.18 06:40:00 -
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Maybe you should quit mining and find a more rewarding career. Oh god. |

Yummy Chocolate
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.06.18 06:42:00 -
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OP needs his diaper changed. |

Prince Sanguine
Hull Breach Inc. Double Tap.
21
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Posted - 2013.06.18 06:44:00 -
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What a waste of two toons. One should mine while you use the other to kill things. U w0t mate?! fight me IRL.! do you even lift?! |

Q 5
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
70
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Posted - 2013.06.18 06:45:00 -
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Sometimes I'm not in the "mood" to crawl around eve hi sec scratching for an isk, but I do have things to build so grinding passively is the best I can do. |

Lina Miaoke
The Ostrogoths Curatores Veritatis Alliance
88
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Posted - 2013.06.18 06:46:00 -
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It adds up when you are:
Highly / fully upgraded for mining Excellent / perfect refining skills Refining at station with minimal or no tax Getting support from mining foreman booster Don't let your cycle go to waste Mining the high end ore/ice Using the ore to produce your own stuff and sell them etc etc
Profits adds up.
Straight up mining with poor skills/improper fitting etc etc will yield poor isk. Those that say they are getting rich... either have never seen profit bigger than high sec mining or have multiple account with barge / exhumer with orca support. |

Dave Stark
3182
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Posted - 2013.06.18 08:05:00 -
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was there a question here or are you just posting about you realised mining is the lowest isk/hour activity and not as afkable as people think so even the low income isn't even worth how "easy" and "effortless" it is? |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
3747
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Posted - 2013.06.18 08:12:00 -
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Put the hauler all in a second retriever. Watch your profits rise.
Train the hauler alt into Mining Director 5, use the Mining Foreman Mindlink. Watch the profits rise.
Or GǪ buddy up with a perfect orca booster. Build the community. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |

Charlie Jacobson
212
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Posted - 2013.06.18 08:20:00 -
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If mining sucks so much (it does), then just go shoot stuff instead. |

Dave Stark
3182
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Posted - 2013.06.18 08:42:00 -
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Charlie Jacobson wrote:If mining sucks so much (it does), then just go shoot stuff instead.
wise words. |

Klymer
Hedion University Amarr Empire
278
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Posted - 2013.06.18 08:48:00 -
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When your kids get out of line sit them in front of the computer and make them mine as punishment. They aren't allowed to do anything else until they have filled the hauler 'x' number of times, 'x' to be determined by the severity of their misbehavior. |

Dave Stark
3182
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Posted - 2013.06.18 08:52:00 -
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Klymer wrote:When your kids get out of line sit them in front of the computer and make them mine as punishment. They aren't allowed to do anything else until they have filled the hauler 'x' number of times, 'x' to be determined by the severity of their misbehavior.
i like this.
also, if they enjoy this form of punishment, you know it's perfectly fine to sell them to the circus because they're clearly a freak. |

Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
87
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Posted - 2013.06.18 09:16:00 -
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I saw job, living wage .... WHAT
Regardless of what you do in Eve it should never be a job. It is a game based around people, fun and relaxation not what it seems you use it for if that is your feedback. My only suggestion is that if you NEED to get a good ROI from a game, choose one that allows you to sell virtual items for RL money - Eve is not your game. I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking |

Thelonious Blake
79
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Posted - 2013.06.18 09:45:00 -
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Q 5 wrote:hi sec mining as a solo miner with hauling alt
If you're solo when you have an alt, what would you be if you didn't have that alt? |

Ioci
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
428
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Posted - 2013.06.18 09:50:00 -
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This has been a problem with EVE for as long as I can remember.
Information portals like the forums are full of claims about the tens of billions to be made doing mundane things and they never really happen.
Be it missions, mining or whatever. The truth is, we gave up the level grind for an ISK grind and there is no easy button. Pretty much everything you read here is smack talk. R.I.P. Vile Rat |

I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
518
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Posted - 2013.06.18 10:34:00 -
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Just fly around EVE now and find those yummy higher end ore anomalies. Your profits should go up. Also, get your refine yield and standings up too, makes a difference. *removed inappropriate signature* - CCP Eterne |

Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
1520
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Posted - 2013.06.18 10:52:00 -
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Low risk, low reward. What more can I say?
You could get yourself into a nullsec alliance and mine for very slightly higher risk, high reward if you'd prefer... I have heard (although not confirmed) that WH mining is quite profitable. If your going to mine afk, then your going to get a lower profit, and that's pretty much a given. I am not against afk mining like those idiots from the new order, but profit or afk is a choice you make. You can't get both unless your a bot.
I would actually like it if there was some mechanism to reward people who stayed at their keyboard more, like having to manually adjust your mining lazer position for optimal yield on an asteroid (bit like how you scan planets for highest resource density before putting down drills). So that afk miners would earn the same as before, but attentive players could boost their yield a little. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |

Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team
992
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Posted - 2013.06.18 11:18:00 -
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When I gank miners, I pay close attention to Barges with an industrial ship parked beside it.
It's like a 2 for 1 deal, I can (and have before) gank both Barge and Industrial and snag both PODs.
Please........keep it up! I'm not entirely clear on the point of this, but I do have a sudden urge to jump in a catalyst and blow up a miner. Twitter! - @AzamiNevinyrall I'm half expecting a ban for this post. |

Q 5
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
70
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Posted - 2013.06.18 13:17:00 -
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Klymer wrote:When your kids get out of line sit them in front of the computer and make them mine as punishment. They aren't allowed to do anything else until they have filled the hauler 'x' number of times, 'x' to be determined by the severity of their misbehavior.
This sounds like a great ideal....but theres that EULA, ehm, I would never break the sacred code. |

Q 5
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
70
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Posted - 2013.06.18 13:30:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:When I gank miners, I pay close attention to Barges with an industrial ship parked beside it.
It's like a 2 for 1 deal, I can (and have before) gank both Barge and Industrial and snag both PODs.
Please........keep it up!
That's cool, if you can't afford to fly it....that's why I fly cheap, sure I won't be getting maximum isk'es per hour but neither will any gankers, yes that's why I fly cheap.
There are more profitable things to do here in eve I just wanted to grind for a BS build and and at the end of eight hours mining marathon was quite surprised how meh the amounts we're. |

Ghazu
600
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Posted - 2013.06.18 13:51:00 -
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lol 8 hours out of your life you ain't getting back http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984 |

Q 5
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
70
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Posted - 2013.06.18 14:06:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:lol 8 hours out of your life you ain't getting back
Well, 8 hours in traffic, 8 hours in a job you may not like, 8 hours spent in a waiting room for Dr. services.
There are alot of ways spent being useless I can think of worse ways to spend it.
But yeah, I am gonna sell the barge and focus more on combat instead, if ever I need to grind a bit I will keep a procurer parked in the hanger collecting dust, excuse me I'm off to buy a mission boat. |

Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard
385
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Posted - 2013.06.18 14:20:00 -
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Q 5 wrote:Ghazu wrote:lol 8 hours out of your life you ain't getting back Well, 8 hours in traffic, 8 hours in a job you may not like, 8 hours spent in a waiting room for Dr. services. There are alot of ways spent being useless I can think of worse ways to spend it. But yeah, I am gonna sell the barge and focus more on combat instead, if ever I need to grind a bit I will keep a procurer parked in the hanger collecting dust, excuse me I'm off to buy a mission boat. 
Disappoint
When you said combat, I thought you meant real combat
Get yourself 10 Drifter-class Rifters and throw yourself into low/null
Tell The Others |

Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team
992
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Posted - 2013.06.18 14:41:00 -
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Q 5 wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:When I gank miners, I pay close attention to Barges with an industrial ship parked beside it.
It's like a 2 for 1 deal, I can (and have before) gank both Barge and Industrial and snag both PODs.
Please........keep it up! That's cool, if you can't afford to fly it....that's why I fly cheap, sure I won't be getting maximum isk'es per hour but neither will any gankers, yes that's why I fly cheap. There are more profitable things to do here in eve I just wanted to grind for a BS build and and at the end of eight hours mining marathon was quite surprised how meh the amounts we're. OR you could have both characters sit in Retrievers and mine instead of having one mine and one fly a box.
PROTIP: Retrievers have a bigger ORE bay then Industrials cargo hold.
Thus increasing your ISK/hour ratio. I'm not entirely clear on the point of this, but I do have a sudden urge to jump in a catalyst and blow up a miner. Twitter! - @AzamiNevinyrall I'm half expecting a ban for this post. |

Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
174
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Posted - 2013.06.18 16:35:00 -
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Q 5 wrote:
This sounds like a great ideal....but theres that EULA, ehm, I would never break the sacred code.
Citizen,
You are breaking it every time you are mining and not sitting there watching local.
www.minerbumping.com
Highsec is worth fighting for
Bing Bangboom Agent of the New Order of Highsec Belligerent Undesirable
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2772
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Posted - 2013.06.18 16:51:00 -
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Q 5 wrote:I can see I'm getting filthy rich...not.
I'm sure I could get a bit more out of the ore but I just spent ~8 hours mining out a mission total ~take home pay, 44 million isk.
8 hours, spent mining in a covetor fully fitted for yield and mining drones, after reprocess I could sell outright for ~47+
Granted I let cycles run out but had an alt running ore to station so it was very much hands on.
The point, those that say hi sec is getting rich with the push of an easy button needs their diapers changed cause they are beyond full of it.
Average hourly take 5.2 on average, my skills are very good, T-2 strips with T-2 mining crystals, T-1 mining upgrade, T-1 mining drones. No implants.
And missions pay better but not like that's awesome awesome, it's a living wage.
So no, no nerfs should be considered what I get and many others here in hi is not WOW but ok bordering meh for many activities it's just knowledge on where to obtain isk'es that's makes you an above average earner in hi sec. that and skills.
I'm not even gonna answer any trolls my numbers are as they are, I know cause I'm looking at the dam n thing in my hanger. Mining is the next best thing to passive income. Especially in a Mack.
So retrain your hauler alt into something fun and just let the miner drone on all day minimized while you are having fun with your newly retrained character.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |

Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
19
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Posted - 2013.06.18 17:05:00 -
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Hisec Mining is gone, bro. You may try trading or hauling as semi-afk activity now, but hisec mining is gone. - Me, pre-odyssey mining foreman, post-odyssey logi pilot. |

Q 5
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
70
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Posted - 2013.06.18 17:07:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Q 5 wrote:Ghazu wrote:lol 8 hours out of your life you ain't getting back Well, 8 hours in traffic, 8 hours in a job you may not like, 8 hours spent in a waiting room for Dr. services. There are alot of ways spent being useless I can think of worse ways to spend it. But yeah, I am gonna sell the barge and focus more on combat instead, if ever I need to grind a bit I will keep a procurer parked in the hanger collecting dust, excuse me I'm off to buy a mission boat.  Disappoint When you said combat, I thought you meant real combat Get yourself 10 Drifter-class Rifters and throw yourself into low/null
Nah, 1 on 1000 blob warfare stinks, 1 vs 1 or 2 in a brawl no jamming now that would be cool, just wonder why people are sooo addicted to KM horsing I really don't care about any KB, people who have to win all the time is not a fun opponent reminds me of this guy who would knock over the table everytime he lost at poker, first it's funny after that it's stewpid. |

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
269
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Posted - 2013.06.18 18:46:00 -
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Q 5 wrote:I can see I'm getting filthy rich...not.
I'm sure I could get a bit more out of the ore but I just spent ~8 hours mining out a mission total ~take home pay, 44 million isk.
8 hours, spent mining in a covetor fully fitted for yield and mining drones, after reprocess I could sell outright for ~47+
The other day I mined with my alt for about 400mil in about the same time....ore price. Reckon it'll be worth a fair chunk of change when I process it all.
Retriever bay of about 25k = 4.7m per load. 50x2 loads = 470mil. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Q 5
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
70
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Posted - 2013.06.18 18:50:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Q 5 wrote:I can see I'm getting filthy rich...not.
I'm sure I could get a bit more out of the ore but I just spent ~8 hours mining out a mission total ~take home pay, 44 million isk.
8 hours, spent mining in a covetor fully fitted for yield and mining drones, after reprocess I could sell outright for ~47+ The other day I mined with my alt for about 400mil in about the same time....ore price. Reckon it'll be worth a fair chunk of change when I process it all. Retriever bay of about 25k = 4.7m per load. 50x2 loads = 470mil.
Then sir I tip my hat, still went out and bought a new mission boat with the isk I got from the sale of my barge. |

Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
277
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Posted - 2013.06.18 20:09:00 -
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So watching Hulu while NOT playing a game doesn't make much money?....nerf it more. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4279
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Posted - 2013.06.18 20:55:00 -
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Q 5 wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Q 5 wrote:Ghazu wrote:lol 8 hours out of your life you ain't getting back Well, 8 hours in traffic, 8 hours in a job you may not like, 8 hours spent in a waiting room for Dr. services. There are alot of ways spent being useless I can think of worse ways to spend it. But yeah, I am gonna sell the barge and focus more on combat instead, if ever I need to grind a bit I will keep a procurer parked in the hanger collecting dust, excuse me I'm off to buy a mission boat.  Disappoint When you said combat, I thought you meant real combat Get yourself 10 Drifter-class Rifters and throw yourself into low/null Nah, 1 on 1000 blob warfare stinks, 1 vs 1 or 2 in a brawl no jamming now that would be cool, just wonder why people are sooo addicted to KM horsing I really don't care about any KB, people who have to win all the time is not a fun opponent reminds me of this guy who would knock over the table everytime he lost at poker, first it's funny after that it's stewpid. You might also consider giving Red vs Blue a whirl if you'd care to try your hand in evenly matched combat against other players. It doesn't cost much unless you really want it too. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

MaRU2760 133
Veerhouven Ventures
47
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Posted - 2013.06.20 23:22:00 -
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Lina Miaoke wrote:It adds up when you are:
Highly / fully upgraded for mining Excellent / perfect refining skills Refining at station with minimal or no tax Getting support from mining foreman booster Don't let your cycle go to waste Mining the high end ore/ice Using the ore to produce your own stuff and sell them etc etc
Profits adds up.
Straight up mining with poor skills/improper fitting etc etc will yield poor isk. Those that say they are getting rich... either have never seen profit bigger than high sec mining or have multiple account with barge / exhumer with orca support.
This . . . kind of.
I've been mining since July of 2009. My current team is one Orca and one Hulk. I make about 55 million a day, and it is usually less than 8 hours.
But two things: 1. I mine because I enjoy it 2. It builds up surprisingly fast.
The last time I came back from Null I had a little more than a Billion left. That was about a year ago. Since then I was up to 11 Billion at one time, until I bought two CNRs and fitted them out with Caldari Navy launchers and BCSs.
You just need to be patient. You'll get there.
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Q 5
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
73
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Posted - 2013.06.21 03:36:00 -
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Well, I've mostly given up on mining for profit just for needs, but on the positive side I bought a nice mission boat and am loving it. |

Kewso
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2013.06.21 04:12:00 -
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pfft retriever
use a mackinaw for semi afk mindless mining it has the largest ore hold of 35,000 m3
I fit 2 t2 strips and use t2 crystals and watch a movie while mining that I downloaded off kat or something |

Charlie Jacobson
214
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Posted - 2013.06.21 08:36:00 -
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Kewso wrote:use a mackinaw for semi afk mindless mining it has the largest ore hold of 35,000 m3
If you do, make sure to buy a new order mining permit 
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Gallowmere Rorschach
Alpha Strategy The Unthinkables
213
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Posted - 2013.06.21 08:46:00 -
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MaRU2760 133 wrote: I've been mining since July of 2009. My current team is one Orca and one Hulk. I make about 55 million a day, and it is usually less than 8 hours.
Why do people still do this? It's been shown time and again that and Orca is only worth it when there are at least 4 barges on field. Park the Hulk and Orca, grab two Macks, and watch your ISK/hr ratio go up. |

Vipre Morte
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.06.21 18:10:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:When I gank miners, I pay close attention to Barges with an industrial ship parked beside it.
It's like a 2 for 1 deal, I can (and have before) gank both Barge and Industrial and snag both PODs.
Please........keep it up!
B-b-but.... That's not nice! |

Dave Stark
3210
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Posted - 2013.06.21 18:12:00 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:MaRU2760 133 wrote: I've been mining since July of 2009. My current team is one Orca and one Hulk. I make about 55 million a day, and it is usually less than 8 hours.
Why do people still do this? It's been shown time and again that and Orca is only worth it when there are at least 4 barges on field. Park the Hulk and Orca, grab two Macks, and watch your ISK/hr ratio go up.
actually it has been shown time and time again it's when there are 2 barges already on grid that the third ship should be an orca rather than an additional barge.
also, one hulk one orca is easier on the sanity than mack/mack. |

tikiana
Golden Eagle Research Corp
1
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Posted - 2013.06.21 21:58:00 -
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my usual team is 2 covetors and an orca. 22km range and cycle time of 141 seems to work pretty good, i rarely have to move. only use t1 strips though so i don't have to keep changing cystals. Do a full orca of about 182km3 in about an hour or more depends on the size of the roids.
just empire mining with a duel monitor set up 1 eve always up to watch local and the second monitor so i can read eve forum or play facebook games |
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