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Marlz
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Posted - 2005.11.19 10:32:00 -
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More specifically im wondering about a taranis vs AF (though any and all info is appreciated)
How does a battle like this play out? I figure i can get in close with my blasters, but will his resistances/durability out do me?
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Soros
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Posted - 2005.11.19 10:40:00 -
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An AF wont tank your blasters.....
It's just a case of if he can hit you
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Mesasone
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Posted - 2005.11.19 10:48:00 -
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Depends greatly on the ship and setup you are going against. I can only comment on gallente AF, but I would say that an Enyo with 150mm railguns would be in some trouble if you could get in close (and he didnt have a webber) - although an Enyo set to full gank could quite possibly 1 volley a non-plated taranis with 150s, so you would have to be very careful on approach. With 125's it starts to tilt to his advantage. If he has blasters fitted, you're toast but blasters are pretty uncommon on the Enyo.
The Ishkur would almost certainly haver a hay day with ya, between a swarm of light drones, and the likely scenerio that they'll have either 125mm railguns, 75mm railguns, or ion blasters fitted, as well as nos.
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twit brent
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Posted - 2005.11.19 11:14:00 -
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I had a claw get my enyo down to 75% structure before i killed it once. Other than that I wont hesitate to take on an inty in my enyo.
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2005.11.19 11:23:00 -
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Dont go near a retribution... It can kill a taranis in seconds
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Snake Jankins
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Posted - 2005.11.19 11:29:00 -
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Edited by: Snake Jankins on 19/11/2005 11:34:32
Reminds me of my first stiletto setup after purchasing one. I had two 250mm prototype artillery, a missile launcher and 2x webber, scrambler and mwd.
My first fight was a 1-on-1 against a t2 blaster taranis. Although he got a better start after webbing me, I was still able to fly with 330m/s or so out of his blaster range, while he stood there double webbed to almost zero speed. I made the mistake to fly out of webrange, so he escaped with half armor.
But guess this setup was of no use at all except for annoying blaster taranis pilots. 
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Kabalevsky
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Posted - 2005.11.19 12:29:00 -
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I have killed many Assault Frigs solo in my Taranis... Many Assault Frig pilots dont think they need a webber :p
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.11.19 12:34:00 -
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 Originally by: LWMaverick
Dont go near a retribution... It can kill a taranis in seconds
/Mav
learned a lesson? Retri is only af worth flying atm. Gankaretribution and intys wanting to keep you there 4tw.
But i'm better and i did it:
i'm too uber :)
But guy didn't have web, and he had some serious faction stuff there and also nosf, but i learned that i can keep up if i turn mwd offline.
It mainly depends on your opponent's setup. If he has web you will probably die. Also harpy's tank won't give up easy with taranis (plated crusaders or claws are better for them, obviously)
Thing is:
AF + short range guns => dead inty or inty runs, you cannot really break AF's tank with long range guns... not b4 he warps or whatever, i'd also not recommand attacking AF with long range guns, because if AF has long range guns, you are in its optimal and if it is ganka setup you will know it in station. But be careful with wolfs and jaguars, they often pack acs.
AF + long range guns + webby => usually dead inty, but depends on starting range and most surprising, quality of web on af and AF pilot's skills
AF + long range guns and no webby... go figure.
Now if you setup AF with plate, repper and blasters you have reasonable chances that you can kill badly set af, but i guess ppl learned something in past few months.
Be back in a year or so :/
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Pre-patch: Scorpion + Gankageddon.
Post-patch: Scorpion + Raven, maybe.
Missiles sux, doesn't they?
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.11.19 12:36:00 -
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own experience btw:
jaguars and, with some luck (big one if you ask), wolfs, go down easy to short range intys that can deal any sort of explosive/kinetic damage. all you need to do is survive to the aproach, once you're at 5km, they are toasted.
it's all about luck tho.
Enyo can down intys if he has a web, but not at short/extreme short range.
ishkur can pwn all (plated vampkur setup).
...as for the rest, never used them for pvp, xcept the hawk, wich, besides its good shields, it sucks.
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Meeko Gloom
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Posted - 2005.11.19 14:55:00 -
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Ive seen ppl go though complex in intys but its rare the inty is pretty much pvp only. if u want an all alround fighter go with the af... gl
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.11.19 14:56:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 19/11/2005 14:56:22
If an AF fits a fleeting web, you are screwed, no matter what happens, unless the AF is an idiot.
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Chinsor
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Posted - 2005.11.19 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
own experience btw:
jaguars and, with some luck (big one if you ask), wolfs, go down easy to short range intys that can deal any sort of explosive/kinetic damage.
an explosive/kinetic tanked wolf with autocannons and decent web will not go down "easy" to a short ranged inty
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Kilpelainen
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Posted - 2005.11.19 15:05:00 -
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I wouldn't pick a 1on1 fight against AF in a ceptor without specific fitting ie. tracking disrupter and such. It's all about fittings.
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Xen0phobiak
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Posted - 2005.11.19 22:54:00 -
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Don't take on a caldari or gallente AF which will be well tanked vs your damage types, but if you can get in close safely, you should bring down a wolf or enyo because they're likely to have ranged weapons on. If you take a direct approach to them though, they wont need to fire twice...
The jaguar and vengeance are more likely to fit nos and webbers, so I'd steer clear of those aswell. A plated claw is the best inty for fighting AF's with.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.11.20 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Chinsor
Originally by: Grimpak
own experience btw:
jaguars and, with some luck (big one if you ask), wolfs, go down easy to short range intys that can deal any sort of explosive/kinetic damage.
an explosive/kinetic tanked wolf with autocannons and decent web will not go down "easy" to a short ranged inty
true there...
...but most of the people nowadays goes with the cookie-cutter T2 280mm howie setup on those ships.
...I myself prefer the AC approach btw.
..prob is that the wolf is such a slowpoke, compared with his lighter brother, the jaguar.
...anyways, I forgot to add that bit to my post:
wolf might (note the bold on might) go down if you get into close range of it and simply pound him to pieces, when using long range setups.
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TheKiller8
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Posted - 2005.11.20 01:14:00 -
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In general the only situation an inty can take out an AF is up close and personal where the AF will (most likely) not be able to hit you. The main problem with this is getting close in the first place. AFs generally have a 100+ damage per second output and have no problem hitting inties at any range but close so they'll quickly shred your ship to pieces. Also if they fit a webber you're screwed by default.
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Nikita Fontaine
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Posted - 2005.11.20 16:51:00 -
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even tracking disruptors will not save an inty going up against a harpy with a web.
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Kyle Caldrel
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Posted - 2005.11.20 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 19/11/2005 14:56:22
If an AF fits a fleeting web, you are screwed, no matter what happens, unless the AF is an idiot.
Remember the Jaegerbomb?
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Linavin
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Posted - 2005.11.20 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kyle Caldrel
Remember the Jaegerbomb?
The Jaegerbomb was basically a really fast AF how drunk fitted and used it 
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Angelus X
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Posted - 2005.11.20 19:28:00 -
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Edited by: Angelus X on 20/11/2005 19:28:39
Originally by: Linavin
Originally by: Kyle Caldrel
Remember the Jaegerbomb?
The Jaegerbomb was basically a really fast AF how drunk fitted and used it
um... the whole idea why the Jaegerbomb was so effective was because it could tank very well and had an awesome damage output. It could do this because it sacrificed it's MWD. So speed really has nothing to do with why it powned...
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.11.20 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 19/11/2005 14:56:22
If an AF fits a fleeting web, you are screwed, no matter what happens, unless the AF is an idiot.
This is untrue. From experience.
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2005.11.21 10:21:00 -
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Edited by: Ras Blumin on 21/11/2005 10:20:58
Originally by: Maya Rkell
This is untrue...
...if you're flying an AB Inty, right?
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Reto
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Posted - 2005.11.21 11:52:00 -
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just a word of warning. in my experience (which is crap since im not a fulltime pvp pilot) AF pilots arent dumb if they fly a 20+ mil frig and 10+ of equipment tru space. i encountered a enyo twice in a taranis and the results were me warpin out in ship and the other time in pod. point is AF are designed to withstand damage for longer periods of time and deal good and nasty damage especially to small targets of their size or even bigger. i use AF for ceptor hunting and for heavy combat situations to kill off supportships such as cruisers and ceptors. ppl often use med range guns (125mm rails for instance) on AF and webbers to increase their chance of hitting smaller targets but remain being able to destroy cruisers, etc. i would recomend to fly in a group of at least 2 ceptors to take them out or avoid encounters at 10km with em. only chance to kill em is imo warp in get as close as u can turn off mwd if webbed and do as much dmg as u can. a good idea is to use a small nos and small rep or a 200mm or better plate to survive long enuff in order to outlast ur opponent.
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Lauriers
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Posted - 2005.11.21 12:02:00 -
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an enyo user is almost certain to have a webber on there and quite likely to be using 125IIs, you would be in a pod quite quickly
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2005.11.21 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: TheKiller8
In general the only situation an inty can take out an AF is up close and personal where the AF will (most likely) not be able to hit you. The main problem with this is getting close in the first place. AFs generally have a 100+ damage per second output and have no problem hitting inties at any range but close so they'll quickly shred your ship to pieces. Also if they fit a webber you're screwed by default.
If the AF is fitted for range, yes. If on the other hand your shields disappear on the first volley, it's time to give up that plan and run away.
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