Any sign of Heth-Haan?


The man has the unmistakable stink of the commoner about him but I did always like his ambition!


If you are reading this Heth dear, you've always got a place to hide out under my care!

Any sign of Heth-Haan? The man has the unmistakable stink of the commoner about him but I did always like his ambition! If you are reading this Heth dear, you've always got a place to hide out under my care!

Royalty without the common man is like a madame without lycanthropic Sebiestor bunny boys. Besides, deposed despots sulking in shadows positively smolder with sensual sangfroid... surrounded by a brooding aura of deliciously loyal nubile young followers... oh, my!

Drop it. Drop it! Drop. It. Good boy!

And if only I were born a bit earlier, I could have been one. Lamentations.

Royalty without the common man is like a madame without lycanthropic Sebiestor bunny boys. Besides, deposed despots sulking in shadows positively smolder with sensual sangfroid... surrounded by a brooding aura of deliciously loyal nubile young followers... oh, my!

Drop it. Drop it! Drop. It. Good boy!

With a little bit of necromancy - or a dash of applied protein teasing - it's never too late! Should the Executor have met an unfortunate end, I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if certain bloody databanks couldn't deliver a new model. For that matter, another State tycoon overthrown and run amok comes to mind.

The more tyrants brought into the Amarr Paradigm, the better.

Yeah... so anyway... this did make me think, though: If Heth does escape into the void to go rebuild and regroup then we could be looking at the next Sansha over the next few years. That... would suck.

I am disappointed that despite temporarily ceasing my operations in deep space so that I may be on hand in case my assistance is necessary, I was not actually called upon wile out of my pod.

I will remain vigilant for the fugitive.

Yes im sure you are disappointed Kraid. We have heard many times how you would like to put your hands around Heth's throat and murder him.

...start bombing civilian targets, probably both Gallentean...

If I were a dictator as shrewd as Heth was, then I would have a backup force ready in case my primary plan failed.

Jacus Roden and Blaque's peace table with the Caldari State is not the removal of Heth from the State Executor and the CEP, but the unconditional surrender and annexation of the Caldari State back into the Federation. That is their peace table and Heth knew it.

Heth was a hero of State. He wanted to unite the megacoporations and make the State stronger. He knew the only way to end the war was to defeat the Federation militarily.

If I were a dictator as shrewd as Heth was, then I would have a backup force ready in case my primary plan failed.

When the noose starts tightening on dangerous individuals, well, they sometimes do rash things.

Heth will be perfectly happy ending his journey towards supposed Martyrdom in a descending fireball aimed at Luminaire.

Those of you with surface-based assets on Gallente Prime might consider relocating, unless you wish to enjoy the best seats in the house for the upcoming show.

I hope Heth will head for the Amarr Empire and seek political asylum. Look to rebuild his strength and wait for an oppertunity to return. Amarr have been our allies for along time, hopefully he will have friends there who can help.

I hope Heth will head for the Amarr Empire and seek political asylum. Look to rebuild his strength and wait for an oppertunity to return. Amarr have been our allies for along time, hopefully he will have friends there who can help.

I hope Heth will head for the Amarr Empire and seek political asylum. Look to rebuild his strength and wait for an oppertunity to return. Amarr have been our allies for along time, hopefully he will have friends there who can help.

Then again, from what I gather we had a couple of Geddons neuting them into the ground.

Once again you seem willfully ignorant of political realities.

Let us set aside for a moment how massive a diplomatic slight it would be for the Empire to insulate a terrorist and revolutionary from an ally's justice, because little more than "it would be a massive diplomatic slight" really needs to be said. Because of the disastrous impact of Heth's abysmal economic and military policies, the various State corporations had to borrow a rather vast amount of money from the Amarr Empire and its various financiers. If it became publicly known that the Amarr were paying host to a terrorist and avowed enemy of the State, then the CEP and the various corporations who borrowed money from the Empire might feel that it was well within their rights to cease loan repayments. If this grant of asylum occured with the consent of the Privy Council, they would rapidly become deeply unpopular with the Empire's financiers, which, despite what the zealously religious Amarians on this board will tell you, is not something that the Privy Council can afford to do.

Contrariwise, were it to occur on the volition of a private individual without the Privy Council's assent, that individual would rapidly find themselves in so much trouble as to match, or perhaps even exceed Heth's plight in severity. At this point, Heth only really has to worry about himself - a Holder giving Heth asylum against the wishes of the Empire might easily find literally everyone he loves to be on the receiving end of the Empire's wrath.

So no, Horn, the Empire will most likely not be coming to Heth's aid. Then again, the Empire doesn't exactly have a flawless history of sound long-term planning, so I very much admit I could easily be wrong.

It's kind of ironic, really. If Heth weren't so consumed with his baseless, unfounded, irrational hatred for the Gallente Federation, he might remember that if you're on the run from the Caldari State, there's one place in the cluster that has more experience than any other with hiding Caldari fugitives from State justice. But then again, if Heth weren't so consumed with his baseless, unfounded, irrational hatred for the Gallente Federation, he'd never be in this situation to begin with. Poetic justice, really.

As an Holder of the Amarr Empire I will tell you the first thing we would do is pack him into a box and ship him back to the CEP...As you said yourself we are allies to the State, and the CEP leads the State. Not a declared Terrorist

Yes your probably right Andreus. I know there would be difficulties to overcome. Its long shot i am just hoping he has some connections that maybe able to make it possible. Obviously if he doesnt he wont go there.

While making no comment on Mr. Heth's guilt or innocence, DSTON renews our offer to provide asylum to Mr. Heth. This is in accord with our opposition to the death penalty. A small unarmed passenger vessel has been deployed to the Otsasai system for this purpose.

While making no comment on Mr. Heth's guilt or innocence, DSTON renews our offer to provide asylum to Mr. Heth. This is in accord with our opposition to the death penalty. A small unarmed passenger vessel has been deployed to the Otsasai system for this purpose.

Rant

If the situation arises, I can assure you I will personally attack any ship known to be transporting Tibus Heth for any purpose other than delivering him to the CEP. Having consulted with my CEO, I am authorised to declare that Duty will, quote, "offer support to any or all parties attempting to escort Heth to CEP custody. This service is free of charge, but will be on a request-only basis - Duty has obligations elsewhere and will not be waiting at the station for something to happen."

If you honestly believe any of that gibberish is true, you are completely ignorant of political reality.

Annex the Caldari State? Do you honestly think the Federation wants to have the added responsibility of administrating four more regions of space occupied by what would, with absolute certainty, be an uncooperative culture? Do you think the Federation wants to spread Customs and the Navy even thinner around an even larger border? Do you think the Federation wants to have to deal with becoming the Guristas' primary target, instead of a barely-considered afterthought?

The only Caldari asset the Federation has ever been interested in from a military perspective between the end of the first and the start of the second Gallente-Caldari war is Caldari Prime, and we have so little interest in owning it nowadays due to the political problems that such ownership causes that when the opportunity presented itself for us to seize control of all of it, we negotiated with a foreign power with which we were at war rather than doing so

If you want an example of why forcible annexation of foreign cultures is an awful idea, look at the Amarr Empire. In the past half-millenia it lost almost a third of its territory to the Khanid, the Minmatar and to its semi-autonomous vassal the Ammatar Mandate simply because when an empire grows too large it is literally impossible to maintain control of. We've seen this dozens of times out in the nullsec regions, and hundreds of times throughout the history of the various cultures of the four empires.

If we "annexed" the Caldari State, in addition to all the fallout such an annexation would cause, all of your problems - the Guristas, the corporate infighting, the lack of centralised government - would become our problems. We don't want your problems. We have enough of our own

If he honestly believed this, he's as politically blind as you are. The State quite simply could not defeat the Federation in an all-out war. Your miliatry just isn't equipped or purposed to do anything remotely similar to this task. The State's military is designed to be able to defend the State's interests against foreign interference - it is decidedly not suited to the invasion, occupation and conquest of foreign powers, especially not the Federation. Notice that the only time the State's military was able to win a decisive victory against the Federation without overwhelming capsuleer support is when they had intimate insider knowledge of Tripwire - and they only seized one planet.

The rest of your post is just griping about how the rest of the Caldari State wasn't willing to kowtow to Heth's lunacy. He was a tyrant, a madman, a liar, a terrorist, a racist and after all was said and done, he's also a coward, because he refuses to face the justice of the Caldari State.

Face it, Horn - you picked the wrong side in this fight. Heth's going to lose, you know this, and you're just beginning to see that you'll get dragged down with him.

Roden and Blaque would jump at the chance the rewards are far to great.

Im not totaly uptodate on their histories.

Roden and Blaque would accpet all these problems with open arms. The rewards would be just to great.

I disagree with you also Andreus. Wether they would want to invade occupy the Federation im not sure.

Do you care about gallenteans?

Heth was a hero of State. He wanted to unite the megacoporations and make the State stronger. He knew the only way to end the war was to defeat the Federation militarily. Heth was a threat to the political power of the CEO's of the megacorporations, who in the end brought him down and stopped him from fulfilling his legacy of defeating the Federation and retaking Caldari Prime.

Pilot TomHorn.

You claim that you have done 'nothing wrong'. We assume you refer to State law when stating such.
It is known that you supported a Templis Dragonaur force during conflict with the Caldari Navy. This is in direct breach of State law.

Data therefore indicates that you are incorrect in your assertion.

We Return.

When the noose starts tightening on dangerous individuals, well, they sometimes do rash things.

I'm sure the State would appreciate your assistance. Here's to hoping they acknowledge your feats with the same praise they afford the real DUTY.

So you're asking that they afford us the same praise they afford us?

Wow, you're such a compulsive kleptomaniac you even steal the meaning from words.

Goddammit , do not return Unit and try malfunctioning if that is possible as you are not helping matters.

Thanking you in advance

Hurrdurr

Fake Duty lifetime achievement record: 1120 kills totalling 53.3B ISK

Duty. lifetime achievement record: 5813 kills totalling 374.66B ISK

One of these things is over ten times older than the other.

I know you're an Ammatar, and thus neccessarily a mental defective, but do try to keep up, pilot. You're embarassing the rest of us.

I'm quite aware of the hiatus, thank-you.

You do realize that accounting for the downtime, Duty(DOT) would still be significantly older than DUTY by a number of years whilst being several times it's size, yes?

Acting inane isn't going to inflate that substandard intelligence of yours any, Andreus, so please try to stay on point.

How did we go from wishing the Caldari good luck on stabilizing their home and giving them other well wishes...to this?

How did we go from wishing the Caldari good luck on stabilizing their home and giving them other well wishes...to this?

I made the mistake of engaging with the Capsuleer equivalent of a mouth-breathing Intaki who gets his jollies from being a forum warrior living out of his mother's basement.

Oh, damn! Looks like I struck a nerve.

Stay proctologically devastated, Halete.

To be honest dude, if you really knew you were a better combat pilot or whatever, you wouldn't need to defend your abilities with words or numbers or posts. You'd just go out and prove it.

I look forward to a long and vicious rivalry between DUTY and DUTY(dot). May you blot out the IGS with your sniping.

Let's look at those kill records, shall we?

Fake Duty lifetime achievement record: 1120 kills totalling 53.3B ISK

Duty. lifetime achievement record: 5813 kills totalling 374.66B ISK

Which puts genuine-flavour Duty ahead with a kill ratio of roughly 5:1 and an ISK ratio of roughly 7:1.

Stay rectum-troubled.

What care should I have for a man of so little talent or conviction?

too long didn't read

You cared enough to reply and offer your scorn.

but in the least I can find succour in the fact that the apparent consternation it must cause you, so vehement are you to raise it any and all opportunity, gladdens my heart for in the least it means I have to do so little, such as I am here amused drinking my vodka writing this, to grant you the derision and scorn you so richly deserve.
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Just stick with the actual insults, which are first-class, really.

You must have very low standards.

You must have very low standards.

Clearly you care at least enough to continue derailing this thread.

That's assuming I had something I needed to prove (which Pyre-Falcon clearly do, because otherwise they wouldn't have interrupted a completely unrelated conversation just to grandstand). I'm just writing stuff I know will irritate them because making human refuse upset is ****ing hilarious.

I seem to recall that just last month you valued my opinion. What changed and why, Suuolo?

I look forward to a long and vicious rivalry between DUTY and DUTY(dot). May you blot out the IGS with your sniping.

Actually, reading on, you're not the only one who missed that point. YOU were the one who started throwing around the insults and making brag. I thought you'd changed sides and were now flying for the State? We don't act like this towards our own - your CEO ought to have counselled you ALREADY. I'm not sure that you're emotionally suitable to serve the State Protectorate, Andreus - and your blanket insults that include me certainly haven't impressed me.

As for you, Verin Haakatain. Now that you're done lecturing everyone on Hubris, why don't you go back to speaking for the whole Loyalist capsuleer movement and telling everyone how to be the perfect Caldari? Whilst living predominantly in the territory of a declared enemy?

Heth will be GONE soon and you are all not going to have the excuse of HIM to explain away your actions. Honestly. Sometimes you ALL disgust me.

...Veikitamo Gesakaarin - your corporation's very own bastard child of Gosakumori Noh and Jade Constantine...

So what you're saying is that she's a near perfect woman?

Along comes Veikitamo Gesakaarin - your corporation's very own bastard child of Gosakumori Noh and Jade Constantine

That aside, Ixiris, it never fails to amuse and bemuse, the way you prance around begging to be made a target. There's a kind of self-righteous rage with which you plunge into anything and everything, daring others to attack you. The whole argument is pretty damn stupid, but you're as guilty as anyone of prolonging it.

The truth is that no-one whose opinion of me I value is going to think less of me for prolonging this argument (because if they let it influence their overall opinion of me, I would cease to value it), but quite evidently various peoples' opinions of the other parties involved in this argument quite evidently have suffered.

It's karmic!

Petty, trite, and tiresome.

The truth is that no-one whose opinion of me I value is going to think less of me for prolonging this argument (because if they let it influence their overall opinion of me, I would cease to value it)

That's rather circular, don't you think?

The point of my observation was that the entire argument over who gets to call themselves "Duty" is a petty and stupid one.

No Complaints YetGäó.

THE QUALITY OF THIS THREAD IS TOO DAMN HIGH!!!

Seriously, Andy and VG should start ******* or something. You two need it.

Like, not even the basic sex.

I'm talkin' gags and gimp suits. Strapons and whips. Get it all out of your systems.

At least not any that you're willing to listen to.

Is this nonsense really necessary? This is the Intergalactic Sumit, not some trashy Galnet site.

You know...over the years I've not really noticed much of a difference. Both contain the same kind of people who would rather gain social validation through a textual medium instead of doing something valuable with their lives.

It's ok though! I stand resolute in the fact that I undock and follow my convictions. You should too.

Interesting thought. I didn't realise public statalogical humor and sexual references were so acceptable in your association in regards to this particualr feed that you'd defend it. I'l have a chat with some of your Corporation about it, as obviously, I have much to learn.

Gods dammit you people are still at turning this AAR into a live debate slinging more mud than two washed up, ad hominem clinging politicians?

I'm sure that now you're here to help, all this bad behaviour will immediately cease. Good job Captain.

I look forward to a long and vicious rivalry between DUTY and DUTY(dot). May you blot out the IGS with your sniping.

Do you care about gallenteans?

Yes, I do.

No, no, you don't need to. But you can, if you want to.
I will appreciate if you give me, say, about two days.

We do NOT waste good material, Ms Hanaya.

You have a odd view on 'good' material.

Yes well we all know rabid dogs are very good at maiming and killing people.

Yes well we all know rabid dogs are very good at maiming and killing people.

When an animal misbehaves, you blame the handler.

I agree with Makkal. I am shocked at how Patriots, Practical, and Liberals alike seem to be suggesting she not take the tea. She deserves it.

It isn't that she deserves it because she was wrong... She deserves it because she's earned an honorable death.

Let her have it.

Katrina, the last thing we need is more internal division within the State. Like it or not, you're going to have to come to terms with the rehabilitation of former Provist supporters.

As much as the desire to scream "I told you so, you fools!" must be possessing you.

Katrina, the last thing we need is more internal division within the State. Like it or not, you're going to have to come to terms with the rehabilitation of former Provist supporters.

As much as the desire to scream "I told you so, you fools!" must be possessing you.

Thanks, but I have had enough of tea for now.

All I can say in Kim-haani's defence is that if some of the State citizens I see in this communique were half the soldier she is, they would be twice the Caldari they are.

Gesakaarin-suuolo I am starting to wonder why Pyre Falcon has been so quick to defend a stalwart supporter of Heth and his personal army.

I would be very interested to see what Kim-haani has to say to all of this.

So many speaking for and against her, yet hardly a voice from her. While there will always be difference of opinions when it comes to how to deal with certain matters, let us not forget that a large part of what actually happens depends on the person themselves and what they are willing to do and/or say to defend themselves.

I do hope you are willing to open up soon, Kim-haani. There are those of us out here who, (despite believing in justice and prefers someone answers for what has happened) , are curious as to your well-being and hope for your stability overall.

And you don't get to tell Diana Kim that she ought to be committing suicide.

Vikarion-haan, I think we've -all- lost the thread, here.

It is not my duty, nor anyone else's duty, to tell Diana Kim what she should do.

However, it is beholden to us to pay mind to her actions and deeds. Not a week gone, she was calling those who opposed Heth traitors and terrorists. Now, Heth is a fugitive from the State. Now, we should be wary -- not to drive her away, nor to control her, but to ensure that the beast in our midst is hound, not wolf.

For myself, that is all I wish to see here, and all I think reasonable to discuss.

Beyond that, many, MANY of those of us who participate in the Summit have an atrocious excess of ego. It does none of us any justice. Indeed, it blinds us to what is just.




(Though I would be curious to see that mail about the Shiigeru. That was before I joined the Enforcement Directive, so...)

You too will learn to ignore Vikarion. He likes to rant about Ishukone-Raata like he knows anything of the slightest about our organization, or Ishukone.

Duly noted, Revenent-haan.

Vikarion-haan, please forward me the mails? If you are going to rail against others as the more-dutiful-than-thou, you should surely provide some documentation.

Regardless, if Kim ever changes her mind and does wish to partake in the Tea Maker ceremony, I will be more than honored to administer it to her.

The ceremony is conducted by Caldari for Caldari. To take this tea from hands of a jaijii means obscenity and dishonor.
Please, in future, stay away from Caldari affairs and know your place, jaijii !

Oh, and, by the way, you're a damn fool too. If Korsavius wishes to be Caldari, and live as Caldari, he's just as much one as you are, Achuran. Or I am.

My blood is Caldari and I have tasted the tea already.
You know what, if Mr. Korsavius thinks he is Caldari, how about we offer him a cup to let Maker decide if he is Caldari or not.

I-RED have acted against the Executor, earlier than the rest of us.

Yes, you have partaken of the tea, and it was part of what put you in a hospital, Kim, even in the minuscule dose you received. I was there to see the aftermath, much to my continued chagrin, and heard it from both of you shameful examples, if you remember correctly... I'll spare the indignity of identifying the situation or the other involved. It's disgusting enough to know about it. More so that I know what was done, and why, from start to ridiculous finish.

Caldari is a way of life, not a set of genetics. Any real Caldari learns this as a child, and honors it, as well as those who embrace the Way. If it was genes, you'd only half qualify (yes, I know you're half-Civire, since you've tried to use that as justification for stupidity like this before), since the blood of the original Caldari came from Caldari Prime. Nobody is any less Caldari by your decree, and never will be made less by it either.

You only debase yourself, as I've seen you do countless times before in long, public declarations of support for a traitor, terrorist, and coward named Tibus Heth.

Yes, I'm a simple, unremarkable pilot calling you out on your rampant idiocy. I couldn't care less what you think as of late, Kim, but I want to make it perfectly clear how FAR from an example of our ideal you are to me at times like this, regardless of your accomplishments in the name of the State... Calling out a man who chooses to live as a Caldari should, on the basis of blood alone, when yours doesn't make the mark by the same standards you so loudly put forth.

Are you a Gurista, Kim?

You too will learn to ignore Vikarion. He likes to rant about Ishukone-Raata like he knows anything of the slightest about our organization, or Ishukone.

If working for the good of my people comes at the expense of being excoriated by Vikarion, I'll take that as an indication that I'm doing good. My objective is the prosperity of the State, not the approbation of its warmongers.

I have in fact done precisely zip to strengthen the Republic. Not a jot. To the point where it's something of a sticking point with my corporation that my presence makes it harder for us to anchor highsec towers. Low standing, you see.

I don't run missions for the Republic, I don't aid them militarily. My corp does, and I don't stop them, but I'm an industrialist and a cultural ambassador. I'm in the Republic to serve Caldari interests, not Minmatar ones, and have never made any secret of the fact. It's been something of an obstacle to friendly relations with some Minmatar corporations and individuals.

If you're going to accuse me, Vikarion, accuse me of the things I really have done, whatever they may be. I won't be lectured on Heiian by somebody with such a shallow concept of it.

Like hell I've been absent. I've been there for every single one. Get your head out of your backside.

And yes, I AM neglecting my obligations to my corporation right now. I've neglected them by spending my time in the State and in Luminaire doing the exact things you're accusing me of not doing.

Like I said, if you're going to level accusations at me, level the ones I actually warrant.