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Skeeve
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Posted - 2003.08.10 08:41:00 -
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Before you all flame me back to oblivion hear me out. Apparently they have introduced the mighty Miner II into the game. HUZZAH..HURRAH.. ok that's all good. Now the manner of the introduction... from all accounts I've been able to gather GM's selected 2.. count'em people 2 players to recieve these copies.
Instead of throwing a tech advance announcement and placing the BP's on the market they arbitrarily handed them to the player corps of their choice. Am I the only one to be truley ****ed and upset that this form of introduction of tech is biased...smacks of favouritism... and a plain old fashioned "Brain Fart" on behalf of the architect of this disaster?
The lucky corps have been reaping in profits on an unprecedented scale widening the gap between large and small corps, making a mockery of any "fair" playability to Eve.
Game content aside.. Pirate Griefers aside.. all the little bugs and minor annoyences that we've had to put up with over the past while as Eve gets to it's feet... THIS more than anything else has made me seriously consider cancelling my account. I can't believe that anyone with more than 3 functioning brain cells could think that this unfair and biased tech intro was the right way to do it.
Ok.. that's my little **** N moan session.. I hope that some of you can see my frustration and indicate to the Eve Gods that they screwed the pooch on this one...
"Your Mother was a Hamster.. and your Father smelt of Elderberries!" - traditional French Insult |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.10 08:43:00 -
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They were rewarded for no apparent reason.
It sucks.
C'est la vie.
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2003.08.10 08:43:00 -
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Life is not fair. EVE mirrors life.
Get over it.
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Indigo Seqi
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Posted - 2003.08.10 08:44:00 -
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I think I will change my pirating ways to just destroying everybody that passes by me. This community simply starts to digust me.
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Skeeve
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Posted - 2003.08.10 08:46:00 -
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Aye Nicolas life does indeed suck. but when I'm paying REAL money for an online experience.. I's like the "sucking" to be at least well thought out before I get the golden ass shaft of pain... 
"Your Mother was a Hamster.. and your Father smelt of Elderberries!" - traditional French Insult |
Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2003.08.10 08:50:00 -
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I don't see what the problem is ? I mean who cares if some guy on the otherside of the universe gets a miner II laser BP ?
I mean, so what ? I will never see or even meet them.
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Kerry
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Posted - 2003.08.10 08:52:00 -
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No way to compete with those with the favor. How on earth is there an honest competition? I understand GM's having someone "win" a million ISK but to award someone THE entire Universe Market??? Would be like America handing out 2 Microsofts to 2 people of their chosing... Clearly an unfair advantage causing nothing short of them NOT being aloud to fight with anyone in the game EVER as they have ALL the upperhand advantages not due them.
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Skeeve
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Posted - 2003.08.10 08:55:00 -
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Nico... the problem is that it was a poorly planned ..unfair introduction of tech to the community. Giving unfair advantage to 2 Corps, I don't give a rat's hindquarters what side of the universe it's on.... it will eventually filter over your/my way... but in so doing will give a HUGE artificial advantage to the corps that are the favourites of those who control events in Eve.
"Your Mother was a Hamster.. and your Father smelt of Elderberries!" - traditional French Insult |
Ruffles
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Posted - 2003.08.10 09:02:00 -
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It amazes me some people don't understand the maginitude of such a means of, as someone so compared it, picking people to be the new Microsoft.
I think there is a lot of reading people should do, and some amazingly well put together comments from others on this subject. Try the following threads:
True or Faulse Reports of Miner II
Miner II: The face of things to come?
There is a lot of information there, and when you have people like Stavros understanding the magnitude of this issue, you really should take a second look. Perhaps you have missed some of the biggies hidden below the surface.
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Ruffles
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Posted - 2003.08.10 09:04:00 -
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The comments of the best-seen answer to this at present:
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Jash Illian:
What's happening right now has nothing to do with the specific laser. It could just as well be a tech lvl 2 cruise missile bp.
What people are upset about is that an item which yields a substantial advantage to people was given and not earned. It tells them that no matter how good they are, how hard they try, that their efforts can be negated by someone having something handed to them.
If a person goes out to Great Wildlands, scans every solarsystem correctly and discovered a location that has pirate bships which drop tech lvl 2 bps, that person will feel tremendously proud of themselves. They earned that information. They've proven to themselves they have a chance at the super rewards if they put in the effort.
When reports that a player was simply given something, it's a severe blow to the morale. Especially when the reports involve one of the biggest groups in the game. Those reports only stand to further prove that the little guy cannot win. That they can work for weeks and weeks on end to earn a minor piece of fluff. While someone else simply has it handed to them on a platter. Blows to the morale like that cause people to quit.
Given the reports concerning this blueprint's entry into the game, whoever received the blueprint did not earn a reward of this magnitude. Personally I feel that bluepint rewards shouldn't be something considered at all for any event, except epic scale ones. As a reward, it's too far out of scale compared to the sheer amount of killing and risk other people go through for a 3% chance of a blueprint drop. Which, btw, I'm certain is broken horribly atm.
Giving someone 100 Miner IIs would not have the impact that giving someone the blueprint will, even if the blueprints were tossed on the market like they were at release on Thursday. From today until that day they have something people would literally kill for: A market in Eve with 0 competition and guaranteed sales. As Stavros and others pointed out, we're talking battleship blueprint original money between now and Thursday. At which time that item's price is gonna nosedive, taking all other miners with it.
P.S.:
I say Thursday just as example.
Imagine this was something like a new ship or weapon of unscaled power, handed to your enemy corp, and they decided the rest of the game weren't going to have access to this technology?
What would you think then?
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Skeeve
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Posted - 2003.08.10 09:09:00 -
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Thank you Ruffles for correctly interpreting my admittedly bombastic rant. I am quite ****ed at this turn of events.. and rightly so I believe...
"Your Mother was a Hamster.. and your Father smelt of Elderberries!" - traditional French Insult |
Jake Solnich
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Posted - 2003.08.10 09:15:00 -
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If the way the Miner II's were introduced is indeed true, it is a direct symptom of the same problems that are occuring with the bugs and execution of this game from day one. It's not just about this problem of the Miner II but the game as a whole. Don't get me wrong, it's a great game and I love it. But CCP has got some major issues on there hands right now and they really need to get it together. Come on guys I know you can do it. Make Eve what it was meant to be; a really fun game to play. As it is, it has become a pain lately and frankly too much like reality. When I play Eve I want to have fun and forget about reality. I don't want to worry about whether I gonna lose some stuff due to bugs or whether the gameplay is unfair. I can't say anymore...
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Skeeve
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Posted - 2003.08.10 11:35:00 -
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by all accounts the story of the Miner II introduction is correct. an "oopsie" by a Dev.. ok. fine and dandy.. whover thought of this solution obviously did not think thru the ramifications and community backlash. But you are right... it's becoming more like work to play Eve.. and that is a sad thing indeed.
"Your Mother was a Hamster.. and your Father smelt of Elderberries!" - traditional French Insult |
Kerry
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Posted - 2003.08.10 11:38:00 -
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Doesn't sound like very much work at all if you are the only one in the game that owns a rare BP....
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annoing
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Posted - 2003.08.10 11:45:00 -
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Edited by: annoing on 10/08/2003 11:46:40
Well ive been telling all who care to listen and watching my posts dissapear every time I tell you all:
Pann and Tomb have the tongues well and truely rooted up TTI ***. CCP are playing favourites and have done since beta with TTI.
1)The Miner II bp would have served the Eve community better by having been given to a small corp struggling to find a way in Eve.
2) Regardless wether it was a result of a loot drop or not, the fact that it has been placed to drop in TTI's alliance area is enough to guarentee that TTI get the bp.
3) The community has the RIGHT to feel aggrieved over the obvious favouritism by GM's towards these bigger corps.
Can you tell I really dont like Pann very much? This will only change when Pann and Tomb start showing that they are truely neutral towards all corps and players.
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zincol
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Posted - 2003.08.10 11:47:00 -
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i'd just like to point out that TTI also has 3 polaris members in there corp.
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Calalbran
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Posted - 2003.08.10 11:50:00 -
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1)The Miner II bp would have served the Eve community better by having been given to a small corp struggling to find a way in Eve.
2) Regardless wether it was a result of a loot drop or not, the fact that it has been placed to drop in TTI's alliance area is enough to guarentee that TTI get the bp.
If the BP was given to the smallest corp in the game - they'd still benefit, and go on to be the richest for a while.
Perhaps it should have been given to the newest player? Who then sells it to a rich corp.
Or perhaps it should have been given to me - I have no use for it, and mine only occasioanlly.
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Skeeve
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Posted - 2003.08.10 11:51:00 -
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3 Polaris Members.... Hmmmmmmmmmmm .... My My..
Thanks for that info... Imagine that.. TTI gets the goodies... and they have 3 Polaris members.. what are the odds? 
"Your Mother was a Hamster.. and your Father smelt of Elderberries!" - traditional French Insult |
Klydor
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Posted - 2003.08.10 11:52:00 -
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Don't moan, in time the bp's may become available to other corps via market etc. So long as it's not always the same two people getting the new bp's or the same corp. I for one don't care.
If the bp's just appear on the market then we end up with everyone buying originals. We end up with a game where every corp is virtually identical in ability and resources. We end up with a boring game.
This is a step in the correct direction. It makes some corps unique. So they have miner II's someone else will get other tech 2 bp's. Eventually we may see them on the market as well when tech 3 nears release.
Also bp's may start becoming available via pirate drops, agent missions etc. Although I think the chances of getting such a reward should be low at first to keep tech 2 rare. Then as we progress towards tech 3 the rarity of tech 2 can decrease and become a more common occurance maybe becoming available on the market etc.
This IMHO will make the game more fun.
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Erty
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Posted - 2003.08.10 11:53:00 -
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Aye Nicolas life does indeed suck. but when I'm paying REAL money for an online experience.. I's like the "sucking" to be at least well thought out before I get the golden ass shaft of pain...
You're paying real money to live, too  
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I don't see what the problem is ? I mean who cares if some guy on the otherside of the universe gets a miner II laser BP ?
I mean, so what ? I will never see or even meet them.
So right, so right!
Why do you people care? What's the point?
This is not a competition. You can have fun even if some guy has 1 billion isk more than you. I promise.
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Calalbran
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Posted - 2003.08.10 11:57:00 -
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Don't forget too - at the moment, plenty of people will want the miner2 because its better than most (all even?) other miners.
But any other tech lvl 2 stuff coming out will also be wanted by a lot of people.
After all, you could say that miner2s will only be wanted by people doing mining - which is probably a majority of the population.
Tech lvl 2 guns and shields however would be wanted by just about everyone.
Or how about tech lvl 2 afterburners and MWDs? Or Cap boosters and ships? (will there be tech lvl 2 ships? I hope so).
I'd be very suprised if the same people got more than 1 or 2 of the BPs unless they bought them from other people (though entirely possible that the richest corps could buy a number of rare BPs).
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Skeeve
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Posted - 2003.08.10 11:58:00 -
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Quote:
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Aye Nicolas life does indeed suck. but when I'm paying REAL money for an online experience.. I's like the "sucking" to be at least well thought out before I get the golden ass shaft of pain...
You're paying real money to live, too
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I don't see what the problem is ? I mean who cares if some guy on the otherside of the universe gets a miner II laser BP ?
I mean, so what ? I will never see or even meet them.
So right, so right!
Why do you people care? What's the point?
This is not a competition. You can have fun even if some guy has 1 billion isk more than you. I promise.
Yes you are correct in what you write.. the MAIN point of anger here is that they made a knee jerk fix to a mistake by a Dev... AND it went to corps with ties to both GM's and Polaris.... hence that evil stench of 'favouritism" that is lingering of late.
this is just one more symptom of a growing problem of confidence that many are feeling towards CCP. I still want to stay with Eve and see it develop.. but stuff like this is making it harder to justify the cost and time invested.
"Your Mother was a Hamster.. and your Father smelt of Elderberries!" - traditional French Insult |
Talur Lokarn
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Posted - 2003.08.10 12:41:00 -
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I'd like to start with:
1. I'm in TTI
2. This is not an official TTI post
I've read all the posts on this topic and nowhere do I see anybody OTHER than you guys (annoing, Joshua, skeeve and zencol) claim that TTI has the Blueprint for the Miner 2. Sure there are plenty of others that jump on to the bandwagon, but mainly it's you four that are going on about it as if it were undisputable fact, when in reality it's merely baseless rumours.
I've talked to a bunch of people in TTI and none of them have the blueprint. Yes, there are some Miner 2s circulating around in TTI that were bought for the same price you lot could buy them for (if you had the money) and I think (THINK) I saw someone say they were going to buy a blueprint, but I'm not aware of anyone been given a miner 2 nor the blueprint and I think this type of thing would be heard of pretty quickly in TTI.
Not that it matters what I, or any other TTI member say. It seems to be the popular trend to follow a small handfull that seem to hate TTI for whatever reason (most of whome have actually never delt with TTI) like a bunch of mindless lemmings rather than looking at what people are saying, staying quiet until they know the full facts and then make up their mind.
As it stands now, even after the Miner V incident was shown clearly not to be TTI's "fault" people still find a way to find a fault in how TTI delt with that situation. Of course the CCP employee was given full pardon, TTI however can never be forgiven!
Even when the full facts of how this blueprint came into the game (i've heard several "rumours" that I actually believe- none of which have anything to do with "Jovian" favourtism towards TTI/ie. exchange of Miner V for Miner 2 blueprint), no one will ever pardon TTI. After all, they bought Miner 2s...isn't that just as much as a crime as been given the blueprint? Surely it must be - if it isn't...it's TTI..they're okay to hate.
Here's the thing...
Before you start accusing people of something, how about making sure that what you're about to say is fact. And before you follow like a lemming, how about you make sure for yourself that this is fact. That way, we'll have less of this crap.
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.08.10 13:05:00 -
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It doesn't really goes about TTI. But TTI - better: a TTI employee, as one official TTI member said in a post - has one. There were two of these Nibelung Lasers, and now are 2 Miner 2 BP copies ingame.
What stands to question is ccps strange behaviour. People moaned because of the nibelung laser. Something which I cannot really understand, perhaps they though there were more of them and not that 2 individuals had only 1 each.
But CCP reacted for a change. The techlevel 5 items will be removed and the players will be given something else as compensation.
But giving a techlvl 2 BP copy of one of the most thought after items??? That is like giving someone who was awarded with a diamond accidently a means to manufactor rubys as exchange.
THAT is about what people are ****ed off.
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Entity
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Posted - 2003.08.10 13:21:00 -
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Aye, the Miner II Bps are worth a million times more than individual tech 5 miners, but by no means as much as an end-game item as those nibelungs were. Imagine if some exploit or legitimate means was found to create nibelung lasers from those 2 originals, it'd be bad, real bad.
So I agree the nibelungs had to be removed, and I agree the persons owning them should get something to compensate, but not a complete monopoly on what should be a COMMON item.
(Note: This is assuming those Miner II prints were in fact handed out in exchange for the Nibelungs)
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Skeeve
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Posted - 2003.08.10 13:58:00 -
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Talur - I'm NOT the only one who is upset... and I did not state that it was TTI who had the BP. this was pointed out by numerous different sources. Corp notwithstanding, it was a bad solution, with worse consequences. It has created harsh feelings towards CCP and the Eve experience. In short, CCP has screwed up and is not taking steps to remedy a festering situation. The suggestion that the BP's were handed out to "teachers Pets" has been forwarded by MANY people. surely they can't all be wrong? In any event, I for one have had my faith in CCP drop by an order of magnitude... many won't care... but many more feel the same way and that is not good for the gaming environment.
"Your Mother was a Hamster.. and your Father smelt of Elderberries!" - traditional French Insult |
Setec
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Posted - 2003.08.10 15:32:00 -
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What a stupid goddamn post.
First people whine endlessly that blueprints are available too easily and there's an impossible price war so that manufacturers can't make decent money.
Then blueprints are introduced to only a couple of people and everybody whines that those people are making decent money.
Drunkenmaster is right, sometimes I think of changing my pirating ways from giving people a chance to pay to simply blowing everybody up and podding them, cause the odds of them deserving it for one reason or another seem really high at times.
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Dodgy Dave
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Posted - 2003.08.10 15:38:00 -
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Just dont buy Miner II's at stupid bloody prices (5.5m FFS?)from greedy ****s making the most of their "dubiously acquired" bp given by a team with collectively less brain cells than an amoeba. |
Dominion Alaris
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Posted - 2003.08.10 15:52:00 -
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Great discoveries in RL where often made just by a single party that then earned millions and millions of their discovery. Many of you are screaming: "Monopoly" but look how the world is today... he isn't about anything else then just monopoly. And as said before... Eve mirrors real life....
Start playing the game to enjoy it instead of complaining about it... you are a part of unique universe and you are ruining your gaming experience by complaining all the time... just try to enjoy it!
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.08.10 16:01:00 -
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If it was their discovery - no problem, none at all. Problem is it wasn't...
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Dominion Alaris
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Posted - 2003.08.10 16:10:00 -
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Discoveries in RL are often made in random manner. Anybody heard the story of how the penicillin was discovered. The guy accidentaly ruined his experiment regarding a totally different matter and literaly stumbles over the thing. We don't have inventors in Eve so they roleplay things instead of inventing them to get them into play... that sounds fair to me... Nobody of you would complain if someone gave YOU a tech lvl 2 250 railgun bp just like the Miner II bp came into play. It's just an issue because you don't have the bp! 
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Outof Mysights
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Posted - 2003.08.10 16:13:00 -
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i'd just like to point out that TTI also has 3 polaris members in there corp.
You mean three Polaris players have alts in TTI? Someone cannot be member of two corps at the same time.
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Lysithea
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Posted - 2003.08.10 16:19:00 -
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The advantage is this:
They are selling the lasers for 5.5 million each, and they can build one every 30 minutes. Doing the math, they can build 48 per day multiplied by 5.5 million and that is a revenue of 264 million per day. I don't know the production costs, but I am sure they aren't anywhere near that. This is a completely unfair and unjust advantage that teh GMs pushed onto someone. That plus the changes on Chaos will force many players to leave.
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Zagum Darkfin
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Posted - 2003.08.10 16:19:00 -
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This is a classic example of not what you know but WHO you know gets you ahead. Come on guys, work those PR skills and you too can be given stuff for free. Make those contacts and Brown nose!!
I say, let them eat cake!!
If you are the dumbass who buys a Miner 2 now, then I have no sympathy for you. Please, pay the fee while I laugh my ass off. If these are the only BPs of Miner 2s in the game for 2 weeks time, then we should be ****ed at CCP.
I have to agree, this is the lamest way to add content to a game and it even was not Roleplayed or Planned. Amateurs, plain and simple
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Skeeve
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Posted - 2003.08.10 16:57:00 -
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Setec.. I'll refrain from starting a flame war here... I'm not "*****in" about a "discovered" BP or a "found" advantage... I'm talking about a hasty decision made by the powers that be to run a quick bit of "protectus anus" for giving out that tech5 laser. If the parties in question had found the bp and it was available to be "found" by others .. well Huzzah and Hurrah good for them.
I'm disappointed that this was done in a slipshod fashion. granting an unfair advantage to some well "connected" corp cronies. If you had bothered to read and understand the gist of what was being said here you would have understood that. Not ONE of us "whiners" have anything negative to say about a good loot drop or "find".. these can be found throughout the Universe.. they are NOT handed to someone because an error was made and no one else has any oppourtunity to do the same.
Stupid Post? maybe.. but I would look in the mirror if I were you before railing about "stupid posts"... N'est Pas? |
Ehxo
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Posted - 2003.08.10 17:03:00 -
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CCP shoudlnt' introduce new tech and modules that way at all. This was very bad planing and a bad decision. Favoring some players and just "giving" them the goods is purely unfair and unjustified.
There are plenty of other ways to introduce new tech that is that good in the community.
You don't have to give it to someone. Juts give everybody an equal chance of getting it by spreading roleplaying rumours saying that some system around this system has some new research going on and such and such... then leave the players figure it out and see if they will find it... or simply put the damn thing on the market in some faction speciific owned systems... or introduce the damn black market, but do something FAIR for the rest of the people... don't just go and GIVE that kind of tech to specific individuals!? This is not lottery! If it was then everybody should have had the chance to buy a ticket!
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.08.10 17:03:00 -
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setec if your sadass corp actually ever MADE any cash you might be qualified to comment, but what pathetic cash you do make comes from gate piracy etc and has nothing to do with bps.
I respected you as a pirate a lot more before u became a lapdog fanboi supporter of tit.
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Princess Akmazara
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Posted - 2003.08.10 17:11:00 -
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Skeeve my dear I would ask you this. What if these people were just allowed to keep their Miner V's? It was an admitted accident that one was released by a Developer. The fact that it was sold is simply the capitalistic exploiter at work (he should've shared its technology with us all). Still he sold it which is part of the game.
Everyone is saying the BP is much more valuable. Lets imagine for a minute they just kept the ONE Miner V they had instead. Now lets say down the road a month or two we finally see reverse engineering enter the game. Imagine they successfully reverse engineer the Miner V!!!!!!
I can only imagine the screaming then. These people did nothing wrong and CCP is doing its best to resolve the situation. I wasn't here then but I heard there was a rollback once and I heard people were all up in arms about it. Wouldn't have just "taking" the Miner V's from these people and giving them their initial money back been a rollback of sorts?
Everyone is so self-righteous about this its sick. I'm no fan of these super-rich people or corporations ingame or real life but I do not think they have done anything wrong. If CCP has made a decision thats unpopular just quit. I think we can survive this just as we've survived other problems.
BTW charging 5 million for a mining laser? Get real!
Princess Akmazara
Amarrian Empire
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.08.10 17:23:00 -
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I refrain from calling the owners of these blueprints greedy.
They are just responding to demand. And demand is very high. I would imagine that they could have sold these for 8 mill each easily.
If someone was willing to pay you 5 Million for something that cost you 20k to make, would you turn him down? I would imagine people are offering more to jump the waiting list too.
If people were unwilling to pay the 5.5 mil, the price would go down. But this will not happen. A fool and his money are soon parted. And there's one born every minute...
But you can't blame the buyers for responding to demand.
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Skeeve
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Posted - 2003.08.10 17:29:00 -
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My Lady Princess... of course you are correct.. NO one was suggesting that they be allowed to keep that item. It was an error by a Dev.. not out of malice just an error.. plain and simple. The issue is that the recompense for the item in question has caused serious issues with player confidence in the decision making power of CCP. Giving out 2 BP copies was bound to cause chaos.. and it has. An appropriate level of recompense for the high tech item? I have no idea... perhaps a one time isk renumeration? bp copies of lesser but available in game items/ships? as it stands the holders have an artificial monopoly on a unique item that NO ONE else can access save purchase. And if they want to spend 5mil.. more power to them that's their waste of money. I'm not yelling about the item Princess I thought I had made that clear.. it's the way this situation was grossly mishandled and still NO EXPLINATION OR APOLOGY from CCP.. thank you for your post my love.. be well
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Quantum Gopher
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Posted - 2003.08.10 17:38:00 -
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Imagine the fury if the two entities that owned the Tech 5 mining lasers were actually able to reverse engineer them and make them available on the market for even more than 5.5 million. We'd see complaints about that too, I'm sure. 
5.5 million...hmm...anyone give quantity discounts? 
I'm sure we'll see many more items introduced this way into EVE through events, trades or exploration. 
Q. Gopher
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MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2003.08.10 18:11:00 -
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Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 10/08/2003 18:12:30
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This is a step in the correct direction. It makes some corps unique. So they have miner II's someone else will get other tech 2 bp's. Eventually we may see them on the market as well when tech 3 nears release.
No it¦s not.
Putting those two BPs on the market in two different regions far away from each other would have been a step in the right direction. This would have given ALL corps in the game a chance to become unique, not just one.
IMO this is unfair and if this continues I¦ll stop playing. Where¦s the point in playing when you know other people get uberelite stuff for free just cause they know some dev or whatever?
If this really happened then I must ask CCP to get their stuff straight and stop this BS.
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Setec
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Posted - 2003.08.10 18:14:00 -
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setec if your sadass corp actually ever MADE any cash you might be qualified to comment, but what pathetic cash you do make comes from gate piracy etc and has nothing to do with bps.
I respected you as a pirate a lot more before u became a lapdog fanboi supporter of tit.
LOL.
We make plenty of cash. In the last several weeks I'd say gate piracy is a minority of our pirating income--most of it is in roid fields and popular planet/moon/sun spawns. Many of our heists have been a lot more complicated than any of m0o's wild west killing frenzies.
I've made quite a bit of my personal money through Moa BP copy sales, cause I bought myself a Moa original a couple months ago. However, the almighty Stavros is infinitely more qualified to speak about bps, because... um... he made a bunch of money producing Mallers? Whatever.
And as for being a lapdog fanboi supporter of TTI... sure, why not? I respect most of the TTI members that I've come to know well, and we enjoy our mutually beneficial alliance with them. As non-pirates go, they really are the cream of the crop. I started this game suspicious of TTI because I disliked all large guilds in my previous MMORPG--they were impersonal, chaotic organizations with very low standards, and I suspected TTI might be the same. But I've realized as I got to know them that they're a very organized and very well-managed group of gamers who are better at what they do than most. They're mostly intelligent, rational people who I enjoy playing with, and our alliance benefits my corporation, so you're damn right I'm a TTI supporter.
I don't really think "lapdog" is the right word, cause we're not getting any handouts from TTI. They're simply an economic boost to all corps in our alliance--they create a mineral supply on the open market, for example, so we can buy minerals at or slightly above NPC price instead of having to scurry back and forth from Lonetrek all the time in indys or having to do our own mining. We buy and sell modules, bp copies, etc, at fair prices with the convenience of trading with players based in the same region. They lend additional manpower to the region defense, but we do just as much.
So I'm a pirate who's found it beneficial to ally with a respected group of wealthy industrialists. Deal with it. I focus on profit and fun--trying to run an efficient organization whose members never need to do boring things like mining. I don't focus on impressing less intelligent hot-headed egomaniacs like Stavros. :P
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Posted - 2003.08.10 18:45:00 -
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Thank you for the commentary on TTI, Setec. I think a lot of people in EVE should spend less time getting their opinions of TTI and Venal Alliance from a forum and more from personal dealings. Most will find that TTI, scary enough, really likes to have fun. The black trenchcoats and sunglasses are really just for our "Dress like a scary, rich capitalist" Tuesdays.
And Princess, I was very happy, actually, to read your thoughts on this issue. Despite differences in philosophy and some initial misgivings on my part, I must say that I am impressed and refreshed by most of your views on this issue. If you would ever like to drop me a line for some conversation, my email address is below.
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Princess Akmazara
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Posted - 2003.08.10 19:47:00 -
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My dear Yoshukun,
Thank you so much for the invitation to write. I will do so in the near future. While I believe the wealthy have a moral obligation to help the less fortunate I do believe TTI has been misrepresented in these threads by people who seem to hate them for no reason.
That being said I do wish TTI would consider sharing some of their vast wealth with new players to give them a head start. I'm planning a new company which will provide aid and comfort to the downtrodden. The Sisters as we will be known are a religious order of the Amarrian faith.
After being tossed out of the Royal Palace by my father because I refused to look down on everyone I have dedicated my life to helping the less fortunate. Surely even you can see capitalistic people such as TTI hurt the poor and less fortunate? I call on all the wealthy of EVE to stand up and share the wealth with the poor, the tired and the hungry.
According to legend a famous statue once stood on Ancient Earth. It said "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, yearning to be free". I say to the wealthy that Gallante, Caldari and Amarrian alike need your help. Support them and give them the head start they deserve in thier quest for higher achievment. It is up to us all to nurture the future. The village community of EVE must not fail in its responsibilities.
Sincerly,
Princess Akmazara
Amarrian Empire
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Calalbran
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Posted - 2003.08.10 20:11:00 -
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Princess - sure, TTI could give some of their vast wealth to new players. But why?
Many of us have helped Noobies, and will continue to do so. Sometimes in equipment, or locations, or protecting while they mine, or even something towards the cost of a better ship.
If individuals (or corps) want to give something, they can do. But thats up to them.
However, giving too much to someone isn't good.
Any corp should have some money - and use it mainly for its own members.
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Mungis
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Posted - 2003.08.10 20:41:00 -
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From the start of Eve
this game world has been plagued by real life aspects :)
If you look at this thing from a practical point of few... it makes every bit of business sense for CCP to be spooning with TTI. Why you aską simply put, Eve is dieing and TTI is a loyal dedicated fan base that brings in revenue.
Has anyone looked at the server stats on Eve-I lately? Frankly, they are pathetic. The growth rate of this game is almost non-existent.
But take a moment to look back at the major changes (nerfs) that were put into place because of a money issue.
CCP had to axe pirating (at least in a big way) to make the game safe for noobies. You canĘt have people quitting after a few days when their ibis is gunned down by people with nothing better to do. Frankly, there really is nothing better then sitting at a gate, chatting with your friends, and making mad money off of lag and player stupidity. Would anyone argue that this beats staring at a rock for 8 hours a day?
The irony is that now on Chaos server they are testing yet another nerf to MWD that will make it even more useless. I suspect this is now an effort to give something back to the pirates, making it harder to make a run for the gate using MWD. (Something in the past that was the only way around a blockade. Now, I get to look forward to coming out of warp (lagging about 10 seconds) and then having to try and hit my MWD to get away. To lateą dead dead dead.
But who am I to complain?
Oh waitą the person that is paying for the mess. So donĘt tell me for a second that I shouldnĘt feel slightly frustrated at the blatant favoritism.
There is only one thing I hate more than liarsą and that is people who suck at it.
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Mungis
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Posted - 2003.08.10 20:43:00 -
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Quote:
Thank you for the commentary on TTI, Setec. I think a lot of people in EVE should spend less time getting their opinions of TTI and Venal Alliance from a forum and more from personal dealings. Most will find that TTI, scary enough, really likes to have fun. The black trenchcoats and sunglasses are really just for our "Dress like a scary, rich capitalist" Tuesdays.
Pathetic arrogance sickens me
And Princess, I was very happy, actually, to read your thoughts on this issue. Despite differences in philosophy and some initial misgivings on my part, I must say that I am impressed and refreshed by most of your views on this issue. If you would ever like to drop me a line for some conversation, my email address is below.
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Princess Akmazara
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Posted - 2003.08.10 20:44:00 -
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If EVE is so dead why are you here?
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Shovasta
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Posted - 2003.08.10 20:48:00 -
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Perhaps this is just a small part of a grander plan....Rogue Jove setting up home in Stain, Who's to say they plan to stay there.
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Spruance
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Posted - 2003.08.10 20:54:00 -
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Edited by: Spruance on 10/08/2003 20:54:16
Mungis,
TTI has about 300 members I think. When I log onto Tranquility in the evening I see 4500-5000 people logged on at once. So I'm going to assume they have between 20,000-40,000 subscribers?
Given these numbers the assertion they would spoon-feed any company because of 300 members is ridiculous.
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Mungis
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Posted - 2003.08.10 21:03:00 -
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shrug,
look at server stats
average users over last 3 months = 3263
so maybe your math is off... 20,000-40,000??
wow
Did I say Eve was dead? Read first, then insert witty comeback.
PS The scale of TTI is beyond a mere 300 member population. Use logic please... and a bit of deductive reasoning.
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Skeeve
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Posted - 2003.08.11 01:12:00 -
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Good people.. again it's not about who has the most UberCorp or who has a case of "mine is bigger than yours".. my origional post was a heartfelt concern about a serious situation. I think I've made my point time over time, this particular action by CCP has caused issues with player confidence. Serious issues... I doubt that they will respond, but we can only hope.
Best of luck all... I only hope this doesn't happen again.
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Calalbran
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Posted - 2003.08.11 06:25:00 -
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Average of 3263?
Sounds about right.
But averages don't mean a lot out of context.
I log on several times a day - can rarely play for more than 30 mins at a time.
I've seen users as low as 1200, as high as over 6000.
If you figure the industry's own stats for users and people with subscriptions is 4 subscriptions for every user at max, you are looking at about 25000 total subscribers.
Of course not all will be on at once - we are in different time zones, have different real lives etc.
25K isn't bad - look at the big names in the business - they had similar subscribers back in their first few months (Ultima Online and everquest, though at this point I think Eve beats Ultima for its 3/4 month fanbase).
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