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Saladinae Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team 21	Posted - 2013.06.19 11:26:00 - [1] - Quote I have a 100MN AB fit and a 100MN MWD fit. Could it ever fill even the slightest niche role? Remember its BRICK turning. Afterburner: Focused Medium Pulse x 5 100MN AB Scram II Web II DCU II EANM II x2 Heat sink Overdrive II x2 Medium Burst Medium Collision Since this is an overheat fit, I'm going to include it with non-overheat side by side. 1550 m/s , 2200m/s overheat 262 dps, 301 overheat (scorch) 19k ehp. MWD fit Focused pulse x5 100MN MWD Scram II Web II DCU II EANM II x2 Overdrive x3 Medium Anc Router x3 5200 m/s, 7800 m/s overheat 170 dps (scorch), 206 overheat 18.7k ehp, big sig Winmatar > Everything else
Riot Girl Thundercats The Initiative. 1131	Posted - 2013.06.19 11:43:00 - [2] - Quote The AB fit is not useful as a 10MN MWD is more practical. The MWD fit is only good for getting into brawling range, but it has no tank so it kinda throws that idea out the window. You can't tackle anything while orbiting max speed with either fit as you will lose point and Scorch is unlikely to reach the target. Maybe if you slowed down, you could increase alignment speed, but then you're still stuck with the huge sig radius on MWD, and a speed on AB which makes it pointless to use. If you fitted it with beams, you could speed tank and snipe, but I'm pretty sure there isn't enough PG for that anyway. Oh god.
Saladinae Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team 21	Posted - 2013.06.19 12:01:00 - [3] - Quote Riot Girl wrote: The AB fit is not useful as a 10MN MWD is more practical. The MWD fit is only good for getting into brawling range, but it has no tank so it kinda throws that idea out the window. You can't tackle anything while orbiting max speed with either fit as you will lose point and Scorch is unlikely to reach the target. Maybe if you slowed down, you could increase alignment speed, but then you're still stuck with the huge sig radius on MWD, and a speed on AB which makes it pointless to use. If you fitted it with beams, you could speed tank and snipe, but I'm pretty sure there isn't enough PG for that anyway. You can 5 heavy beams with 60km range and 194dps by replacing overdrives with reactor control units, and replacing EANMS with two heat sinks. The problem is the cost of the ship. Each Medium Anc router costs 9 million. If this fit was under 20 million total, it wouldn't be that crazy to try for ***** and giggles, but it currently runs at 49 million. Winmatar > Everything else
Dato Koppla Rage of Inferno Malefic Motives 251	Posted - 2013.06.19 12:23:00 - [4] - Quote 30 second align time is just horrendous, you won't be able to get up to that max speed and even if you do, it will only be in a straight line, any sort of turn will veer you so far of course that you'll never be able to stay in scram range. If you do want to try this fit you'll have to use a long point to have a chance to keep your target pointed, also, you need to use Nanos instead of overdrives, that brings your align time down by a massive 10 seconds so you have at least a chance to use it. As for the 100mn MWD fit, you're also using a scram/web so if your opponent has a scram as well you basically gimped your fit to get into brawling range then you lose any advantage the MWD provided you and your lack of tank means you'll probably die. Additionally, your cap life on the Afterburner fit is really weak and anything with a neut will be able to shut you down, or you'll cap yourself out with excessive use of the AB. The cap on the MWD fit is abysmal (20 seconds of cap with just MWD running), it uses 30% of your total cap per cycle meaning you'll get a maximum of 3 cycles with it before you're capped out which is barely enough to get you up to your max speed. Overall, the AB fit might be somewhat useable but you can get better speed from a regular 10MN MWD which won't gimp your fit horribly. The MWD fit is just not viable at all. So yeah, I wouldn't use them but go ahead and try it and tell us how it turns out.
Jacob Holland Weyland-Vulcan Industries 167	Posted - 2013.06.19 12:30:00 - [5] - Quote Due to the mass addition of the MWD you'll probably find that you'll achieve higher speeds in practice with a 10MN MWD than with a 100MN (assuming you're not working with staged Guardians...etc). Couple that with the agility issues and you'll almost certainly find that you're better off saving the fittings and working with an appropriately sized module.
Unit757 D-I-L-L-I-G-A-F Double Tap. 67	Posted - 2013.06.19 13:28:00 - [6] - Quote You'll get a better tank, and possibly better cap life with a 10mn MWD maller, over the 100Mn AB. The 100MN MWD is completely pointless, you will never even come close to hitting 5km/s with it, and it will suck you dry of cap in 2 cycles, so more like 1100-1600m/s depending on your skills. And that doesn't include using guns or other modules.
Saladinae Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team 21	Posted - 2013.06.19 13:32:00 - [7] - Quote Are 100MN tengus still in style? It's been a while. Winmatar > Everything else
Riot Girl Thundercats The Initiative. 1131	Posted - 2013.06.19 13:55:00 - [8] - Quote I think they lost popularity with the HM nerf. Oh god.
Dato Koppla Rage of Inferno Malefic Motives 251	Posted - 2013.06.19 14:02:00 - [9] - Quote What really hurt the 100MN Tengus is not only the straight damage nerf but the explosion radius nerf which when combined with the damage nerf made it basically really hard to kill frigates with meaning 100MN Tengu is much more easily tackled now, also T1 frigates were buffed so you're much more likely to get caught and since 100MN Tengus needed quite a fair amount of pimp to be good they really fell out of grace. 100MN fits are in general gimmicky and it needs alot to get them to work. Even when Tengus were really successful with those fits they often had billions sunk into them coupled with a massive amount of offgrid links and drugs and implants. It's near impossible to make a good 100MN fit that's a reasonable price with any ship really.
Omnathious Deninard The Scope Gallente Federation 1187	Posted - 2013.06.19 16:55:00 - [10] - Quote 100mn fit cruisers are best with weapons that do not require tracking, as to achieve max velocity you have to be at least 15k away from your target. Drone ships and missile ships do it best. Ideas for Drone ImprovementTwitter Account-á @Omnathious
W0lf Crendraven The Tuskers 85	Posted - 2013.06.20 16:23:00 - [11] - Quote Dato Koppla wrote: What really hurt the 100MN Tengus is not only the straight damage nerf but the explosion radius nerf which when combined with the damage nerf made it basically really hard to kill frigates with meaning 100MN Tengu is much more easily tackled now, also T1 frigates were buffed so you're much more likely to get caught and since 100MN Tengus needed quite a fair amount of pimp to be good they really fell out of grace. . WHAT?
Tinu Moorhsum Random Events 224	Posted - 2013.06.20 17:37:00 - [12] - Quote Only application I can think off off hand is for popping wormholes that are almost mass-collapsed. Using a 100mn maller is a inexpensive ship to have to self destruct if you get caught on the wrong side. That big power grid isn't meant for the AB. its forte is that you can put a big-ass tank on it.
Andrew Indy Rage Knights Headshot Gaming 14	Posted - 2013.06.21 06:25:00 - [13] - Quote a 100MN MWD would cap out almost any non BS ship in a couple of cycles. I built a 100MN MWD stabber for dicking around stations and it lasted about 5 cycles with 3 medium cap boosters running (went until they ran out of charges)
Grandma Squirel Squirel Enterprises 14	Posted - 2013.06.21 06:37:00 - [14] - Quote If you could run the 100mn MWD long enough, you might be able to really ruin the days of some expensive frigs. Capping out after 3 cycles makes it useless. 100mn AB over 10mn MWD is primarily useful for sig tanking setups. Maller just doesn't have the tank to make that work.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Initiative 3750	Posted - 2013.06.21 07:15:00 - [15] - Quote I am not a fan of 100mn Mallers. The agility isn't that great and the damage projection is too low. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren

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