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Fiery Taint
Distraction Techniques
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Posted - 2013.06.19 21:54:00 -
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Hello all.
I have noticed many times and yet never known the reason for the number of separate downloads involved with each patch.
For example, first I open eve and there is a 6mb "new build" download.
http://clip2net.com/s/5g3YaB
Then the update window opens and downloads the patch, in this example 23mb.
http://clip2net.com/s/5g3Z1n
Then we have the launcher download, though no size is given.
http://clip2net.com/s/5g3Zlz
And finally the launcher initiates another download, this time 12mb.
http://clip2net.com/s/5g3ZWf
I wondered what the new build was if it wasn't the launcher, and also why it is always exactly 6mb? And likewise I was curious why the launcher seemed to download part of itself and then the rest later?
An inquisitive mind would like to be educated. As an ignoramus it doesn't seem... smooth is maybe the word. I wouldn't like to say inefficient as I imagine there must be some method to the madness. |
Termin Aurilo
EVE Engineering Corporation
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Posted - 2013.06.19 22:00:00 -
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Don't forget to add in the repair.exe step, I have to run that every time there is a 6mb download. oh well. |
Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
2425
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Posted - 2013.06.19 22:04:00 -
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See I only ever see the last step once cause I use the launcher from the get go so I haven't a clue what you're talking about xD
The Drake is a Lie |
Fiery Taint
Distraction Techniques
14
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Posted - 2013.06.20 02:35:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:See I only ever see the last step once cause I use the launcher from the get go so I haven't a clue what you're talking about xD
Are you saying it only appears like the last step but still has staggered downloads, or that it only appears to download once? It would seem peculiar to be downloading 29mb or more (to stick with the above example) simply because of starting the client a different way so I would imagine the same data is getting to you somehow.
Termin Aurilo wrote:Don't forget to add in the repair.exe step, I have to run that every time there is a 6mb download. oh well.
I can't say I have had any problems with a corrupt client since the initial problems when the new launcher appeared. With the binary it's all been sweet. I'm simply curious to understand the process of the split downloads. |
CompleteFailure
Polaris Rising
Gentlemen's Agreement
49
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Posted - 2013.06.20 16:02:00 -
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Pure guess here, but to me it seems that you get multiple downloads by just running the eve executable because it also has to verify/update the launcher before applying the actual patch. By using the launcher to begin with, that step is probably skipped or just runs in the background? Again, just guessing.
I typically use the executable myself, the main reason being that my account list keeps getting wiped out whenever the launcher gets updated, which is a pain. But, I do close out of the client and use the launcher when I get the new build message. Then I use the executable again :) |
Fiery Taint
Distraction Techniques
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Posted - 2013.06.20 20:15:00 -
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CompleteFailure wrote:But, I do close out of the client and use the launcher when I get the new build message. Then I use the executable again :)
I'll try that next time and see how it goes, thank you. I'll keep an eye on the network traffic if the launcher doesn't show the separate downloads. If there is only one you may well be right. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
4665
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Posted - 2013.06.20 20:18:00 -
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Ive been using the launcher with multiple accounts since its release with absolutely no problems.
Im obviously doing something wrong.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Schmata Bastanold
Keep It Burning Stupid
842
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Posted - 2013.06.20 20:28:00 -
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After initial launcher derp on release day I never had any problems with updates. But I also never had any problems with updates since the day I started to play (2011) while every expansion and patch caused forums bleeding from rage and tears.
Try using launcher as it is intended and see if things get better. It may be derpy but whole client side is based on that derpiness now so getting around it may cause derp-incompatibility problems for you. And there is always support ticket if anything else fails.
I am not my skills but...
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CCP Atropos
C C P
C C P Alliance
312
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Posted - 2013.06.24 14:36:00 -
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Fiery Taint wrote:Hello all. I have noticed many times and yet never known the reason for the number of separate downloads involved with each patch. For example, first I open eve and there is a 6mb "new build" download. http://clip2net.com/s/5g3YaBThen the update window opens and downloads the patch, in this example 23mb. http://clip2net.com/s/5g3Z1nThen we have the launcher download, though no size is given. http://clip2net.com/s/5g3ZlzAnd finally the launcher initiates another download, this time 12mb. http://clip2net.com/s/5g3ZWfI wondered what the new build was if it wasn't the launcher, and also why it is always exactly 6mb? And likewise I was curious why the launcher seemed to download part of itself and then the rest later? An inquisitive mind would like to be educated. As an ignoramus it doesn't seem... smooth is maybe the word. I wouldn't like to say inefficient as I imagine there must be some method to the madness.
Well documented! This behaviour is actually a disconnect between my team, which handles the EVE Launcher and another which handles the continuous integration system for the EVE Client.
When you start up the ExeFile.exe and it notes it's out of date, it will download an installer for the old version of the EVE Launcher. This version of the EVE Launcher then proceeds to update itself new version, which then detects that an update needs to be applied.
If you didn't access the game via the ExeFile.exe you would find that you wouldn't need to continue to do this download/downgrade/upgrade loop continuously.
I'll sort out the downgrade/upgrade loop if you can tell me why you login via the ExeFile.exe method.
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DJWiggles
Eve Radio Corporation
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Posted - 2013.06.24 15:12:00 -
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CCP Atropos wrote:
I'll sort out the downgrade/upgrade loop if you can tell me why you login via the ExeFile.exe method.
Not sure if a troll reply or ....
But to add my two pence to the fire I have never had an issue with using the launcher and don't see an issue with it
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RaTTuS
BIG
Insidious Empire
288
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Posted - 2013.06.24 15:42:00 -
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CCP Atropos wrote:...
I'll sort out the downgrade/upgrade loop if you can tell me why you login via the ExeFile.exe method.
I login Via the exefile method because
I use junctions and using junctions I have several separate icons on my desktop
one for each character [well some have more than 2 icons]
but
they all have separate settings and have the character set for me to load
so I double click the icon and enter password and then I just enter for that character - all my settings are right for that login [empire / 0.0 / market etc]
http://eveboard.com/ub/419190933-134.png
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
5298
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Posted - 2013.06.24 15:52:00 -
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CCP Atropos wrote:...
I'll sort out the downgrade/upgrade loop if you can tell me why you login via the ExeFile.exe method.
The login screen remembers all usernames used on this computer. The launcher remembers one. I still launch the launcher initially for potential updating, so I have no complaints about how updates are delivered. Just saying besides updates the launcher is currently an inferior system for actually accessing the game, so I avoid it as much as possible. |
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CCP Atropos
C C P
C C P Alliance
326
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Posted - 2013.06.24 15:53:00 -
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RaTTuS wrote:CCP Atropos wrote:...
I'll sort out the downgrade/upgrade loop if you can tell me why you login via the ExeFile.exe method. I login Via the exefile method because I use junctions and using junctions I have several separate icons on my desktop one for each character [well some have more than 2 icons] but they all have separate settings and have the character set for me to load so I double click the icon and enter password and then I just enter for that character - all my settings are right for that login [empire / 0.0 / market etc]
That's pretty much what I guessed, since it's the most common reason people tell me, so thank you for letting me know 
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CCP Atropos
C C P
C C P Alliance
326
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Posted - 2013.06.24 15:55:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:CCP Atropos wrote:...
I'll sort out the downgrade/upgrade loop if you can tell me why you login via the ExeFile.exe method. The login screen remembers all usernames used on this computer. The launcher remembers one. I still launch the launcher initially for potential updating, so I have no complaints about how updates are delivered. Just saying besides updates the launcher is currently an inferior system for actually accessing the game, so I avoid it as much as possible.
Do you have 'quit after logging in' set for the Launcher?
Product Owner, EVE Launcher | Team Special Circumstances |
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Tixam Quri
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2013.06.24 15:57:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Ive been using the launcher with multiple accounts since its release with absolutely no problems.
Im obviously doing something wrong.
this^^^
I toggle in and out of my and my wife's account with no issue. I don't even notice patches.
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
Aegis Solaris
1984
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Posted - 2013.06.24 16:04:00 -
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CCP Atropos wrote:RaTTuS wrote:CCP Atropos wrote:...
I'll sort out the downgrade/upgrade loop if you can tell me why you login via the ExeFile.exe method. I login Via the exefile method because I use junctions and using junctions I have several separate icons on my desktop one for each character [well some have more than 2 icons] but they all have separate settings and have the character set for me to load so I double click the icon and enter password and then I just enter for that character - all my settings are right for that login [empire / 0.0 / market etc] That's pretty much what I guessed, since it's the most common reason people tell me, so thank you for letting me know
I do something similar for my Mac installation. The clones, as we call them on the Mac, bypass the launcher. But when an update is pushed out and I run a clone I get them message "A new build is available, do you want to download it?". That is my cue to quit and run the main install, the one I made the clones from. That runs the launcher which downloads the update. After that I just go back to running the clones, no need to even log in with the main install. All the clones reference the files of the main install which just got updated, so they all work.
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Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
Amarrian Commandos
1156
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Posted - 2013.06.24 16:06:00 -
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Tixam Quri wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Ive been using the launcher with multiple accounts since its release with absolutely no problems.
Im obviously doing something wrong. this^^^ I toggle in and out of my and my wife's account with no issue. I don't even notice patches. I feel naughty
you log into some one elses account?!?!
yes, you are naughty!!!
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Azurae
South West Trading
73
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Posted - 2013.06.24 16:11:00 -
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CCP Atropos wrote:Fiery Taint wrote:Hello all. I have noticed many times and yet never known the reason for the number of separate downloads involved with each patch. For example, first I open eve and there is a 6mb "new build" download. http://clip2net.com/s/5g3YaBThen the update window opens and downloads the patch, in this example 23mb. http://clip2net.com/s/5g3Z1nThen we have the launcher download, though no size is given. http://clip2net.com/s/5g3ZlzAnd finally the launcher initiates another download, this time 12mb. http://clip2net.com/s/5g3ZWfI wondered what the new build was if it wasn't the launcher, and also why it is always exactly 6mb? And likewise I was curious why the launcher seemed to download part of itself and then the rest later? An inquisitive mind would like to be educated. As an ignoramus it doesn't seem... smooth is maybe the word. I wouldn't like to say inefficient as I imagine there must be some method to the madness. Well documented! This behaviour is actually a disconnect between my team, which handles the EVE Launcher and another which handles the continuous integration system for the EVE Client. When you start up the ExeFile.exe and it notes it's out of date, it will download an installer for the old version of the EVE Launcher. This version of the EVE Launcher then proceeds to update itself new version, which then detects that an update needs to be applied. If you didn't access the game via the ExeFile.exe you would find that you wouldn't need to continue to do this download/downgrade/upgrade loop continuously. I'll sort out the downgrade/upgrade loop if you can tell me why you login via the ExeFile.exe method.
how about the .exe login screen is much much prettier than all the ads in the launcher?
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destiny2
Abh Academy
Abh Alliance
131
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Posted - 2013.06.24 16:29:00 -
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i find the validation usually takes the longest, especially on my laptop.
laptop not built for game. with already a problem i cant figure out. hrm yeah oh well. |
brinelan
The Flying Dead
Insidious Empire
47
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Posted - 2013.06.24 16:35:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:CCP Atropos wrote:...
I'll sort out the downgrade/upgrade loop if you can tell me why you login via the ExeFile.exe method. The login screen remembers all usernames used on this computer. The launcher remembers one. I still launch the launcher initially for potential updating, so I have no complaints about how updates are delivered. Just saying besides updates the launcher is currently an inferior system for actually accessing the game, so I avoid it as much as possible.
The launcher remembers all of my various account user names, so not sure why yours wouldn't be. |
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Cosmic Tangerine
Citrus Solutions
0
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Posted - 2013.06.25 11:39:00 -
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CCP Atropos wrote:I'll sort out the downgrade/upgrade loop if you can tell me why you login via the ExeFile.exe method.
I use ExeFile because the Steam Overlay doesn't work with the launcher and has less advertising in my face all the time.
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Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust
Mercurialis Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
53
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Posted - 2013.06.25 13:40:00 -
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CCP Atropos wrote:I'll sort out the downgrade/upgrade loop if you can tell me why you login via the ExeFile.exe method.
There is ONE major reason why I don't use the launcher, aside the fact that it doesn't remember usernames.
I manage some kinda crowded family of accounts and most of the times I log 4-5 of them in, but not always they are all undocked doing stuff. If I had to use the launcher, I'd have one single icon in the toolbar at the bottom of mu desktop. A sort of pop up window will appear hovering the mouse on that single icon with all the instances of the game I launched in the order I launched them, and then I can click on the one I want to put on the foreground, if I understand which one is the one I'm looking for (imagine 1 active toon and 7 docked and you'll see that the 7 docked could have pretty similar look side by side)
With the ExeFile instead I have one single icon in the toolbar for each instance of the clinet I launched, meaning I can move them left and right and see immediately which one I need to click on to make it active. Add to that the fact I have customized icons for each of my toons, and you'll see even better why the one-single-fixed-icon I get from the launcher really looks like a downgrade to me.
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Xolve
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
1538
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Posted - 2013.06.25 14:08:00 -
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CCP Atropos wrote:I'll sort out the downgrade/upgrade loop if you can tell me why you login via the ExeFile.exe method.
Typically, because the launcher takes about 3 times longer to launch the game than EVE does, and you some of us have to respond to pings pretty quickly; Using the launcher, Miss the fleet; Use ExeFile.exe, Make the fleet.
This is a pretty common scenario for most of the people I fly with, and is complained about universally by everyone.
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
895
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Posted - 2013.06.25 14:55:00 -
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Cosmic Tangerine wrote:CCP Atropos wrote:I'll sort out the downgrade/upgrade loop if you can tell me why you login via the ExeFile.exe method. I use ExeFile because the Steam Overlay doesn't work with the launcher and has less advertising in my face all the time.
Steam is Evil and you should wipe yourself for using it 
(you know you're exponentially increasing chances of getting PW and personal information hack because of it?)
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