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Paladin Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.20 16:43:00 -
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I would like to say something about what I think its the worse problem in eve, cheaters.
I know that at last CCP starts to do something agains cheaters, banishing bots and warp to 0. But there is still some job to do if they want to make this game free of cheaters, and they dont need to do much, just be reasonable with the rules.
What I think is an cheat, an software that interact with the game reading memory information, seting memory variables, sending keys to game interruptions ( macros ), etc. All to get advantage for who use it in detriment for who play normally.
The worse thing here is that some cheater programs are allowed buy the currently rules of ccp like softwares multiboxing ex: ISBoxer. As it is allowed peaple use it a lot making the life of honest players miserable. And the argument to allow such software and that its not cheat just because the player "needs to interact with the game" ?
So if I use an cheat just to get 1B per second mining, get my ship imortal, its allowed because I am playing the game and interacting ? This is not argument, ccp needs to revew it.
Well, my opinion :
What is Cheating : softwares that interact with the game directly to get advantage, no exception.
What is not cheating: softewares that interact with the game indirectly using apis made for it, ex: Web sites and softwares that use information extracted from eve api. Just it.
I hear from peaple that systems with lots of asteroid belts cant be explored anymore, just because multi-boxers players came everyday with 50 retrievers and mine all asteroids in an few minutes. Players that create trial accounts and using cheat get it registred buying Plex with out any enforce. Pvp players that using this softwares can camp in an gate with 50 tornados and kill everyone. And much more.
When this game will favore the honest players ??? |
Rath Kelbore
The Six-Pack Syndicate
Hashashin Cartel
385
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Posted - 2013.06.20 16:47:00 -
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Paladin Amarr wrote:I would like to say something about what I think its the worse problem in eve, cheaters.
I know that at last CCP starts to do something agains cheaters, banishing bots and warp to 0. But there is still some job to do if they want to make this game free of cheaters, and they dont need to do much, just be reasonable with the rules.
What I think is an cheat, an software that interact with the game reading memory information, seting memory variables, sending keys to game interruptions ( macros ), etc. All to get advantage for who use it in detriment for who play normally.
The worse thing here is that some cheater programs are allowed buy the currently rules of ccp like softwares multiboxing ex: ISBoxer. As it is allowed peaple use it a lot making the life of honest players miserable. And the argument to allow such software and that its not cheat just because the player "needs to interact with the game" ?
So if I use an cheat just to get 1B per second mining, get my ship imortal, its allowed because I am playing the game and interacting ? This is not argument, ccp needs to revew it.
Well, my opinion :
What is Cheating : softwares that interact with the game directly to get advantage, no exception.
What is not cheating: softewares that interact with the game indirectly using apis made for it, ex: Web sites and softwares that use information extracted from eve api. Just it.
I hear from peaple that systems with lots of asteroid belts cant be explored anymore, just because multi-boxers players came everyday with 50 retrievers and mine all asteroids in an few minutes. Players that create trial accounts and using cheat get it registred buying Plex with out any enforce. Pvp players that using this softwares can camp in an gate with 50 tornados and kill everyone. And much more.
When this game will favore the honest players ???
If you have knowledge of this "cheat", please share it with me.
I'm neutral on ISboxer. I'd probably lean towards it not being allowed, but it really doesn't affect me so w/e.
I plan on living forever.......so far, so good. |
Jimmy Morane
Aurora Novae Aetatis
Expoit This Mf's
22
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Posted - 2013.06.20 16:47:00 -
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If it is allowed then how is it cheating? Have you discovered something that ccp doesn't know about? |
Anderson Footman
Sarnova Collective
2
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Posted - 2013.06.20 16:48:00 -
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Paladin Amarr wrote:When this game will favore the honest players ???
Never. I will stop playing the day it does.
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
427
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Posted - 2013.06.20 16:50:00 -
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Jimmy Morane wrote:Have you discovered something that ccp doesn't know about?
The level of hurt in his butt because he's not making 1B per second mining like the pro elite ISBoxers?
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Transmaritanus
Sinister Elite
Black Legion.
64
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Posted - 2013.06.20 16:56:00 -
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The software isn't breaking the game or altering the code, or pulling ISK out of thin air, it's letting you multibox more efficiently.
Don't be mad you can't focus on more than one thing at a time. It takes intelligence. |
Kult Altol
Confederation Navy Research
Epsilon Fleet
458
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Posted - 2013.06.20 17:01:00 -
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Who cares?
I know I don't. I think I ran into one multi box horde in my 2 years of playing.
An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind.
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Lugia3
Pirates Incorporated
425
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Posted - 2013.06.20 17:08:00 -
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The butthurt is strong in this one.
Apparently everything he can't/didn't do is "cheating". Please, tell me more.
Yarr |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
4649
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Posted - 2013.06.20 17:30:00 -
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Multi-boxing is killing eve....
Thread#43423460978
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Jason Xado
Xado Industries
138
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Posted - 2013.06.20 17:36:00 -
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Multiboxing is valid gameplay.
I would also highly suggest you become more familiar with the functionality of ISBoxer. |
Winter Archipelago
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
31
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Posted - 2013.06.20 17:37:00 -
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Can I petition OP's name as offensive? He's bringing shame to the Paladins and all of Amarr, simply by existing.
Ransoms are accepted in Isk, Ships, Mods, and Dolls. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15042
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Posted - 2013.06.20 17:52:00 -
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Paladin Amarr wrote:What I think is an cheat GǪis utterly and completely irrelevant.
EVE does not allow cheating GÇö in fact, it's often an insta-ban offence.
Quote:When this game will favore the honest players ??? Never. Same as every other game. That's why cheating exists: because it bestows you with favours not available to the honest player. Of course, being honest means you're allowed to keep playing GÇö that's something favourable, wouldn't you say?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Lara Dantreb
Reisende des Schwarzschild Grenze
19
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Posted - 2013.06.20 17:52:00 -
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parallelization of actions = multiboxing
serialization of actions = botting
if you mine 2 hours with 12 characters and ISBoxer, it's legit
if you mine 24 hours with 1 botting character, it's forbidden.
Do you seriously see a difference ?
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GreenSeed
504
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Posted - 2013.06.20 17:56:00 -
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Paladin Amarr wrote:
What is Cheating : softwares that interact with the game directly to get advantage, no exception.
cool... so multiboxing software is still allowed. ty!
Paladin Amarr wrote:What is not cheating: softewares that interact with the game indirectly using apis made for it, ex: Web sites and softwares that use information extracted from eve api. Just it.
oh god, you mean im going to be banned for using a keyboard?
Quote:
I hear from peaple that systems with lots of asteroid belts cant be explored anymore, just because multi-boxers players came everyday with 50 retrievers and mine all asteroids in an few minutes. Players that create trial accounts and using cheat get it registred buying Plex with out any enforce.
so? if its there for the taking it belongs to whoever has the most efficient way of extracting it.
get off my eve you commie
also, activating with plex IS one of the features of PLEX.
Paladin Amarr wrote: Pvp players that using this softwares can camp in an gate with 50 tornados and kill everyone. And much more.
really? you mean somewhere in EVE a multiboxer is providing player generated content by fielding 5 billon isk in ships? that guy deserves a medal.
someone get on the batphone and get pl... oh wait they are busy.
well, get someone... anyone who wont misclick "jump" instead of "bridge" will do.
Paladin Amarr wrote:When this game will favore the honest players ???
never has, never will. |
Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
307
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Posted - 2013.06.20 18:01:00 -
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Paladin Amarr wrote:needs to interact with the game
Oh god why would you ever want to subject people to that?
Paladin Amarr wrote:What is Cheating : softwares that interact with the game directly to get advantage, no exception.
What is "the game"? Is it the client or the server? Because you're going to be mad when you find out about the EVE API.
You've no idea how much metagaming goes on in Eve. Your little mining problems are nothing... NOTHING! |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
2556
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Posted - 2013.06.20 18:04:00 -
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Oh look, it's this thread again.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
BadAssMcKill
Love Squad
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
287
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Posted - 2013.06.20 18:07:00 -
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You forgot to mention AFK cloaking OP
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Doc Spectre
State War Academy
Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.06.20 18:27:00 -
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So many whining kiddies in this game go play something else. Oh and I didn't read all that crap as soon as I realized it was another whine.... |
Paladin Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.06.20 19:09:00 -
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Transmaritanus wrote:The software isn't breaking the game or altering the code, or pulling ISK out of thin air, it's letting you multibox more efficiently.
Don't be mad you can't focus on more than one thing at a time. It takes intelligence.
Inteligence that this players dont have, since they need software to do this for they.
Maybe this softwares are altering the code, but it changes game memory the same way any peek poke memory software like cheat engine, where you can make your ship invunerabel or worse. How can it is not cheat ?
And yes, if I buy this kind of software I will make 1B mining like this "pro" players some of you like to say, for me they are realy nobs.
And if you guys think this is not cheat, so why you dont ask CCP to allow any type of things like client code changes, bots, etc ? Probably already done it. |
Paladin Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.06.20 19:11:00 -
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Anderson Footman wrote:Paladin Amarr wrote:When this game will favore the honest players ??? Never. I will stop playing the day it does.
I think you miss the point. I am talking about people using external softwares to get advantage aside the game mechanics. |
Paladin Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.06.20 19:17:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:Paladin Amarr wrote:
What is Cheating : softwares that interact with the game directly to get advantage, no exception.
cool... so multiboxing software is still allowed. ty! Paladin Amarr wrote:What is not cheating: softewares that interact with the game indirectly using apis made for it, ex: Web sites and softwares that use information extracted from eve api. Just it.
oh god, you mean im going to be banned for using a keyboard? Quote:
I hear from peaple that systems with lots of asteroid belts cant be explored anymore, just because multi-boxers players came everyday with 50 retrievers and mine all asteroids in an few minutes. Players that create trial accounts and using cheat get it registred buying Plex with out any enforce.
so? if its there for the taking it belongs to whoever has the most efficient way of extracting it. get off my eve you commie also, activating with plex IS one of the features of PLEX. Paladin Amarr wrote: Pvp players that using this softwares can camp in an gate with 50 tornados and kill everyone. And much more. really? you mean somewhere in EVE a multiboxer is providing player generated content by fielding 5 billon isk in ships? that guy deserves a medal.
Well, I guess you think bots should be allowed tooo right ?
Warp to 0 also ?
Wich more ?
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Paladin Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.06.20 19:33:00 -
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Jimmy Morane wrote:If it is allowed then how is it cheating? Have you discovered something that ccp doesn't know about?
Maybe they are not aware of this. Who knows.
I hear that bots and warp to 0 was used for long time with out any intevention from ccp.
Anyway, this IS cheating in almost every game arround. |
ShipToaster
183
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Posted - 2013.06.20 19:35:00 -
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Paladin Amarr wrote:Massive troll bull ****
Trolling, sometimes it is this easy.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15048
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Posted - 2013.06.20 19:36:00 -
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Paladin Amarr wrote:Anyway, this IS cheating in almost every game arround. 1. GǪsuch asGǪ?
2. GǪso what?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
SpoonRECKLESS
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
13
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Posted - 2013.06.20 19:39:00 -
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Why would CCP ban something that makes them alot of money. Those accounts need to be fed plexes,And I've watched vids on this program the user must be at the computer which imo I think is fine. If you want to use it and CCP allows it no big deal its the afk systems programs and bots that they are more worried about. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1091
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Posted - 2013.06.20 19:45:00 -
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Look out, creepy person with THEIR view of utopia is here.
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bloodknight2
Talledega Knights
PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
81
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Posted - 2013.06.20 19:49:00 -
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I'M using Isboxer for lv4 and...i don't see how it can be cheating if EVERYONE can do the same? |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
496
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Posted - 2013.06.20 20:08:00 -
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bloodknight2 wrote:I'M using Isboxer for lv4 and...i don't see how it can be cheating if EVERYONE can do the same?
While it's true that multiboxing is allowed in EVE, saying it is because everybody can do it is a stupid argument. Everybody can use 3rd party hacks in any games as long as they install/download them like isboxer but it's not allowed just because of that. |
Jimmy Morane
Aurora Novae Aetatis
Expoit This Mf's
25
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Posted - 2013.06.20 20:17:00 -
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Paladin Amarr wrote:Jimmy Morane wrote:If it is allowed then how is it cheating? Have you discovered something that ccp doesn't know about? Maybe they are not aware of this. Who knows. I hear that bots and warp to 0 was used for long time with out any intevention from ccp. Anyway, this IS cheating in almost every game arround.
Ok. Slowly. What is IT that you are biting your nails like a little squirrel over thinking ccp isn't aware of? Multiboxing is allowed. It's not cheating. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2511
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Posted - 2013.06.20 21:16:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Paladin Amarr wrote:Anyway, this IS cheating in almost every game arround. 1. GǪsuch asGǪ? 2. GǪso what?
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