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Ferrer	Posted - 2005.11.21 13:23:00 - [1] Greetings all , I've been amazed at the amount of helpful information about EVE there is on the net, but I've also been dissapointed by how hard it sometimes is to find the right piece of knowledge! So I've started an open-source wiki for EVE fans at wiki.thewalledcity.us to help this problem. Go check it out and play around with it! Cool stuff: Any user can modify content without registration. Add your bio, your corp, you neat EVE spreadsheet, whatever! Get recognized and help other people while doing it. All entries in the webpage are entered automatically into a SEARCHABLE database Private site so no lag or ads Quickly growing community of wiki editors If you are a fan of the idea and site, give this a bump so it gets a sticky.
Ferrer	Posted - 2005.11.21 23:17:00 - [2] Callistus: Thanks for the heads up to the other existing EVEwiki. I see that we both have common goals and I'll contact Luance to see if he's interested in some kind of cooperative effort or hosting solution. Winterblink: I agree and think that the more functional and accessible a resource like this is - the better. I'm new to this whole wiki/webpage thing but I'm more than willing to look into any resources I can find. If you have any resource you wish to share, I'd appreciate them very much. EVEnews: If you are interested in a cooperative effort for an EVEwiki send me an in-game mail. I'd be more than willing to help out, share resources etc etc. MarkX: Thanks for the interest mate. Anyone can be an editor, the extent of their particpation depends on the user. All users have the ability to upload images and files as well as create new content. Basically, anything to do with the wiki can be done by any user, registered or not. All the root-level administrative functions rely on the server admins for security purposes.
Ferrer	Posted - 2005.11.21 23:59:00 - [3] Tom: The sub-domain that I use to route traffic is http://wiki.thewalledcity.us because it's easier to remember than the direct address. Sub-domain redirects may not work on some older browsers. You can also try: http://www.thewalledcity.us/wiki/index.htm (a redirect page) http://www.thewalledcity.us/Root/Wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page (Direct link to EVEwiki:Main) Wiki's are also know to be a little slower than normal webpages because of their increased functionality. If this continues to surface in the future there is some freeware I could install on the server to speed things up.
Ferrer	Posted - 2005.11.22 03:28:00 - [4] Dahin: I didn't notice that when I visited, that's a little funny and sad at the same time.
Ferrer	Posted - 2005.11.22 07:01:00 - [5] I'm taking the EVEwiki offline for a bit of maintainence. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Ferrer	Posted - 2005.11.22 08:57:00 - [6] After a bit of maintenance, the EVEwiki is back up. I accidentally nuked a few photos in the images section I was able to replace all the images except for the cormorant pics laocoon uploaded. Sorry mate, I've got automatic backups of the uploads now.
Ferrer	Posted - 2005.11.23 08:31:00 - [7] Thanks for link JP, I'll definately be looking towards grismar's wiki as an inspiration when it comes to a IGB functionality, but the breath of content (current or otherwise) and the ease of usability leave much to be desired.
Ferrer	Posted - 2005.11.28 17:55:00 - [8] The EVEwiki is now hosted at eve-extra.com. The address has changed to wiki.eve-extra.com Or you can connect directly at: http://www.eve-extra.com/wiki/wiki/index.php/Main_Page I'd just like to thank everyone for their help on the site. If you haven't given it a visit, go check it out now!
Ferrer	Posted - 2005.11.28 18:59:00 - [9] Thanks for the suggestion winterblink. As to the content, the site's still young and trust me, I'm working on it. Do you have any expert advice you wish to contribute? Like you said, the site needs it.
Ferrer	Posted - 2005.11.29 01:56:00 - [10] Originally by: Vol Jbolaz I just think that a very clear, very present policy of objectiveness may help. What a good idea! I've created a little objectivity guideline link in the house rules section of the wiki for just this purpose.
Ferrer	Posted - 2005.11.29 17:28:00 - [11] Whoa! Hold your flaming wrath in check one second and consider a few things. 1. A wiki is incredibly complicated, starting one from scratch is not within the scope of a layman (myself). 2. Seeing this difficulty, the geniusi of the world convened in secret and developed an installation package that would revolutionize the internet. 3. This package is meant to be distributed for the purposes of users creating their own wiki. All intellectual property contained in said package is protected by the GNU General Public License which states often: ".. the GNU General Public License is intended to guarantee your freedom to share and change free software." 3.5 Free software like the wikimedia installer package perhaps? 4. Wiki is a noun, and not a proper one at that. It describes an open source encyclopedia. How can a definition be protected by copyright law, esp. as it is part of the domain of public knowledge? 5.As for cookie cutter looks, if you would have cared to register, you obviously would have noticed there are several interesting themes to choose from. 6. As for blah content, excerise your freedom of expression and turn it to action.
Ferrer Bring Out Your Ships	Posted - 2005.11.29 17:28:00 - [12] Edited by: Ferrer on 29/11/2005 17:45:48 Such grandstanding never deserves to be on the forums. The wiki has a feedback mechanism built into it. Derovius Vaden, if you have a legitimate greivance/criticism/concern feel free to add it to the discussion page of the user Ferrer or email it to root@thewalledcity and we'll continue this discussion there.
Ferrer	Posted - 2005.12.03 06:19:00 - [13] Thanks Seraphin and Luance for the comments, mebbe I should give you a little background then on why I am doing this. Originally by: Seraphin DeAngeluotti 1. And yes, they have ads but they need to live somehow, too... 2.So if Ferrer can make a commitment that he will be around like forever ;) 3.I think it would not be good to split the few editors there are across several wikis though.... In the beginning... I was naive and thinking that by creating a wiki I was doing something both new and helpful for the EVE community. Finding out that there were already established wikis on the subject has not been as bad news as one might expect. Indeed, it has given me direction and fodder for things to do and improve upon. 2. The first and most important (to me) thing I decided to improve upon was to never host the EVEwiki@eve-extra through ad-support. The site is currently hosted add free courtesy of PreTender @ eve-extra.com (thanks a lot!). I think the liklihood of such an established fan site closing shop is not likely, but as EVE-I has shown, it is entirely possible. Regular database dumps are made in case EVE-extra meets with catastrophe. The database dumps can then be imported into any existing wiki framework. With an active community of technologically savvy members, I don't think finding a new host will be a problem. 1.The reason why I refused to support the site through ads was twofold. One, eve-sellers ruin the game's mechanics by allowing non-game assets to be exchanged for ingame ones. Two, advertising isk sellers in association with eve is against the EULA (I know CCP doesn't really prosecute this, but it's because the can't due to staffing-not because they don't want to). 3. I agree and think that the editor community of EVE should not be split. But on what site do we unite? We two wikis are not the only biz in town. I think that the site at the eve-extra address has the best chances of incorporating the features of all the wikis out there and cosolidating them into one. For example, export functions and additional wiki framework will be installed at the eve-extra wiki for IGB functionality. Grismar's wiki is aimed at the IGB functionality and I think losses a lot of it's power because of it. The wiki at eve-extra will focus both on IGB and out of game browser functionality. The wiki at wiki cities is ad-supported and the sysops do not have complete control over their database and html files. This limits customization options to a certain extent, but more seriously hampers functionality beyond your basic wiki setup. I admit, migrating to a new wiki when older ones with more content exist seems fairly ridiculous, but I hope you can see that the growth and impact of the older wikis are limited by their inherent characteristics. Characteristics that the wiki at eve-extra has the ability to overcome and soon will have the means. That turned out longer than expected. Sorry for those of you that made it all the way through. Any constructive comments are always welcome! --Ferrer
Ferrer Bring Out Your Ships	Posted - 2005.12.03 06:19:00 - [14] Thanks Seraphin and Luance for the comments, mebbe I should give you a little background then on why I am doing this. Originally by: Seraphin DeAngeluotti 1. And yes, they have ads but they need to live somehow, too... 2.So if Ferrer can make a commitment that he will be around like forever ;) 3.I think it would not be good to split the few editors there are across several wikis though.... In the beginning... I was naive and thinking that by creating a wiki I was doing something both new and helpful for the EVE community. Finding out that there were already established wikis on the subject has not been as bad news as one might expect. Indeed, it has given me direction and fodder for things to do and improve upon. 2. The first and most important (to me) thing I decided to improve upon was to never host the EVEwiki@eve-extra through ad-support. The site is currently hosted add free courtesy of PreTender @ eve-extra.com (thanks a lot!). I think the liklihood of such an established fan site closing shop is not likely, but as EVE-I has shown, it is entirely possible. Regular database dumps are made in case EVE-extra meets with catastrophe. The database dumps can then be imported into any existing wiki framework. With an active community of technologically savvy members, I don't think finding a new host will be a problem. 1.The reason why I refused to support the site through ads was twofold. One, eve-sellers ruin the game's mechanics by allowing non-game assets to be exchanged for ingame ones. Two, advertising isk sellers in association with eve is against the EULA (I know CCP doesn't really prosecute this, but it's because the can't due to staffing-not because they don't want to). 3. I agree and think that the editor community of EVE should not be split. But on what site do we unite? We two wikis are not the only biz in town. I think that the site at the eve-extra address has the best chances of incorporating the features of all the wikis out there and cosolidating them into one. For example, export functions and additional wiki framework will be installed at the eve-extra wiki for IGB functionality. Grismar's wiki is aimed at the IGB functionality and I think losses a lot of it's power because of it. The wiki at eve-extra will focus both on IGB and out of game browser functionality. The wiki at wiki cities is ad-supported and the sysops do not have complete control over their database and html files. This limits customization options to a certain extent, but more seriously hampers functionality beyond your basic wiki setup. I admit, migrating to a new wiki when older ones with more content exist seems fairly ridiculous, but I hope you can see that the growth and impact of the older wikis are limited by their inherent characteristics. Characteristics that the wiki at eve-extra has the ability to overcome and soon will have the means. That turned out longer than expected. Sorry for those of you that made it all the way through. Any constructive comments are always welcome! --Ferrer
Ferrer	Posted - 2005.12.06 16:14:00 - [15] Originally by: Skyscorcher Quote: Any user can modify content without registration. Add your bio, your corp, you neat EVE spreadsheet, whatever! Get recognized and help other people while doing it. That is just asking for trouble. Although it might be asking for trouble, it is also very encouraging of open participation. The wiki has built in page histories, so if any malicious changes were made a sysop or beaurocrat would be able to revert them easily. I can also change the rights of unregistered users if it becomes a problem.
Ferrer Bring Out Your Ships	Posted - 2005.12.06 16:14:00 - [16] Originally by: Skyscorcher Quote: Any user can modify content without registration. Add your bio, your corp, you neat EVE spreadsheet, whatever! Get recognized and help other people while doing it. That is just asking for trouble. Although it might be asking for trouble, it is also very encouraging of open participation. The wiki has built in page histories, so if any malicious changes were made a sysop or beaurocrat would be able to revert them easily. I can also change the rights of unregistered users if it becomes a problem.
Ferrer	Posted - 2005.12.06 17:17:00 - [17] Originally by: Seraphin DeAngeluotti Edited by: Seraphin DeAngeluotti on 04/12/2005 03:16:28 Originally by: Ferrer I admit, migrating to a new wiki when older ones with more content exist seems fairly ridiculous, but I hope you can see that the growth and impact of the older wikis are limited by their inherent characteristics. Characteristics that the wiki at eve-extra has the ability to overcome and soon will have the means. Well if you are that dedicated why don't you give me an e-mail address where I can send you the dump of the data I received to. In the wikicities not many changes were made so if you import the dump into your wiki you can go be the next torchholder :) And I would appreciate regular dumps back so if you or the wiki should vanish once again I can take the torch back... Sounds good Seraphin, I've sent you and Luance an evemail with an email contact of mine.
Ferrer Bring Out Your Ships	Posted - 2005.12.06 17:17:00 - [18] Originally by: Seraphin DeAngeluotti Edited by: Seraphin DeAngeluotti on 04/12/2005 03:16:28 Originally by: Ferrer I admit, migrating to a new wiki when older ones with more content exist seems fairly ridiculous, but I hope you can see that the growth and impact of the older wikis are limited by their inherent characteristics. Characteristics that the wiki at eve-extra has the ability to overcome and soon will have the means. Well if you are that dedicated why don't you give me an e-mail address where I can send you the dump of the data I received to. In the wikicities not many changes were made so if you import the dump into your wiki you can go be the next torchholder :) And I would appreciate regular dumps back so if you or the wiki should vanish once again I can take the torch back... Sounds good Seraphin, I've sent you and Luance an evemail with an email contact of mine.
Ferrer	Posted - 2005.12.11 06:20:00 - [19] Thanks again Seraphin and King. -Seraphin- I checked out the DB dump but it looks like I'll either have to create a seperate wiki or overwrite the one already there. There doesn't seem like a good way to integrate the two. So I've just done a lot of copying and pasting from the wikicities "all pages" page to a copy hosted on eve-extra. It's now finished and I've got all the old content up on eve-extra and it just needs to be sorted and integrated into the existing framework. -King: Checked out the site and the tool, very cool work mate.
Ferrer Bring Out Your Ships	Posted - 2005.12.11 06:20:00 - [20] Thanks again Seraphin and King. -Seraphin- I checked out the DB dump but it looks like I'll either have to create a seperate wiki or overwrite the one already there. There doesn't seem like a good way to integrate the two. So I've just done a lot of copying and pasting from the wikicities "all pages" page to a copy hosted on eve-extra. It's now finished and I've got all the old content up on eve-extra and it just needs to be sorted and integrated into the existing framework. -King: Checked out the site and the tool, very cool work mate.

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