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Alana ByrneWickey Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.06.22 17:06:00 - [1] - Quote Hey guys, i'm playing eve for about 6 months now and i feel like i'm being targeted very early, if not first, in a fight. I was wondering if this is due to alpha targeting or if it's just a coincidence? I only have one character so far and i think about getting a second one as a fighter and keep my first one as a miner (i trained both, mining and pvp, on this one but with a big focus on pvp). Do you think it's worth it? Looking forward to your replies. Fly safe! Alana
Anti-social Tendencies School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 54	Posted - 2013.06.22 17:10:00 - [2] - Quote Alana ByrneWickey wrote: Hey guys, i'm playing eve for about 6 months now and i feel like i'm being targeted very early, if not first, in a fight. I was wondering if this is due to alpha targeting or if it's just a coincidence? I only have one character so far and i think about getting a second one as a fighter and keep my first one as a miner (i trained both, mining and pvp, on this one but with a big focus on pvp). Do you think it's worth it? Looking forward to your replies. Fly safe! Alana No way to answer without knowing what you are flying and what the make up of you fleet and the fleets you are facing. Another toon that is dedicated to PvP is a good idea. "Patience: n, a minor form of despair, disguised as a virtue." - AMBROSE PIERCE
Darek Castigatus Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 385	Posted - 2013.06.22 18:01:00 - [3] - Quote Alana ByrneWickey wrote: Hey guys, i'm playing eve for about 6 months now and i feel like i'm being targeted very early, if not first, in a fight. I was wondering if this is due to alpha targeting or if it's just a coincidence? I only have one character so far and i think about getting a second one as a fighter and keep my first one as a miner (i trained both, mining and pvp, on this one but with a big focus on pvp). Do you think it's worth it? Looking forward to your replies. Fly safe! Alana Could be because your first name begins with A, quite a lot of FCs call targets alphabeticly because its easier to follow. Like antisocial said though, we cant be sure without knowing a bit more about what sort of fights you have. Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin you're welcome
Nerath Naaris Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy 474	Posted - 2013.06.22 18:15:00 - [4] - Quote Just start flying a Maller; either way it-¦s a win! Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
Alana ByrneWickey Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.06.22 19:59:00 - [5] - Quote Hi, i know what you are pointing at and i haven't been targeted a lot when i was flying rifters in bc or bs fleets. When i flew the same ship class as everyone else i usually got targeted very early. But generally speaking do you think alpha targeting is common enough for me to make a new pvp pilot although i'm gonna lose about 4 month of skill training? (i can still run missions or fly bc until my new pilot is capable of that so it's actually not completely lost...)
Thomas Builder Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 48	Posted - 2013.06.22 20:24:00 - [6] - Quote Someone is gonna be primary. If it's always you - well, you can actually use that to the advantage of the fleet by flying a more defensive fit. But, as Antisocial said, we don't know enough. There are as many reasons as to why someone is called primary as there are encounters.
Inxentas Ultramar Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition 530	Posted - 2013.06.22 20:39:00 - [7] - Quote Indeed, as corp CEO and someone capable of flying a reasonably convincing Battleship fit, I find myself primaried often too in smaller engagements. Just invest a little in things like counters to jamming and a sturdy tank. When the situation calls for a static deployment (shooting structures) it might be wise to not cycle the secondary weapon system, but use it to counter-primary things like Falcons.
Forest Archer Explorer Corps Disavowed. 53	Posted - 2013.06.23 02:46:00 - [8] - Quote Fcs called targets based on 3 categories normally. 1. Ship types 2. Range 3. Name So logi, ewar, and dps usually that order if things are in range often each ship type being called in alphabetical order or reverse alpha as some people do, comes down to FC preference. Always willing to help all you have to do is ask, though if your in the other fleet I may not help the way you want. Just a heads up.
Cameron Zero Red Federation 193	Posted - 2013.06.23 16:46:00 - [9] - Quote 1. Your name is at the top of the ALPHAbet. 2. Depending on your shiptype, or fit, you might get called primary sooner rather than later. For example, if you're flying a high-dps, no tank ship in a fleet of higher tanked ships, you're going to get called as soon as someone identifies you as a threat. 3. You might be in range of more of the enemy than your fleetmates. This is especially true of suicide tackle, btw. "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. GÇª"
Ace Menda Phoibe Enterprises 79	Posted - 2013.06.23 19:31:00 - [10] - Quote Alana ByrneWickey wrote: Hey guys, i'm playing eve for about 6 months now and i feel like i'm being targeted very early, if not first, in a fight. I was wondering if this is due to alpha targeting or if it's just a coincidence? I only have one character so far and i think about getting a second one as a fighter and keep my first one as a miner (i trained both, mining and pvp, on this one but with a big focus on pvp). Do you think it's worth it? Looking forward to your replies. Fly safe! Alana Take a look at your name. Now think that most FCs sort the overview by name. Unless there is a more high priority target to be killed (Falcon, logi etc) who do you think they start with. Edit: Keep in mind...same things happen with names that start with a Z in case the FC has the overview reversed sorted... Are you in need of some nice chat? Are you new and want some help? Look no further and join: Crazy Dutch Guy
Sabriz Adoudel Paragon Blitz 473	Posted - 2013.06.25 06:40:00 - [11] - Quote Highly recommend you fly heavily tanked ships with a name beginning with A, or ships with some tricks up their sleeves to survive. An enemy is just a friend that you stab in the front.
Colonel Sponz The Whiskers of Kurvi-Tasch 3	Posted - 2013.06.25 07:02:00 - [12] - Quote Many fleets don't even call primary but rather tell everyone to sort alphabetically and work down the list. You do the maths.
Steven Koskanaiken Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 53	Posted - 2013.06.25 07:11:00 - [13] - Quote Colonel Sponz wrote: Many fleets don't even call primary but rather tell everyone to sort alphabetically and work down the list. You do the maths. proper fleets do call primairy. But with DPS ships this is not uncommon to be just alphabetical by the FC / target caller.
Amyclas Amatin Awox Safari and Treasure Hunt 125	Posted - 2013.06.25 07:36:00 - [14] - Quote pvp overviews are sorted first by type then by alphabet. As a fellow A-lister, I can empathize with your situation. Consider flying bait fitted ships like mallers, ruptures, and anything that works well when over-tanked. Also, be nice to your logi. It's your only hope. Please help me with my survey on high-sec aggression: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1dLcM27c_qDyOIxFgE4Zan_T8j_eZDDeCUAEL4lwXGC8/viewform
Amir Rayman Estel Arador Corp Services 0	Posted - 2013.06.25 08:40:00 - [15] - Quote Damn, my name starts with A.
Alana ByrneWickey Misfits United Rough Riders. 0	Posted - 2013.06.25 21:25:00 - [16] - Quote Thank everybody for replying! If i summarize your replies it looks pretty bad for me so i guess i'll train a new pvp char
lollerwaffle Clandestine Vector The Space P0lice 60	Posted - 2013.06.26 09:02:00 - [17] - Quote Alana ByrneWickey wrote: Thank everybody for replying! If i summarize your replies it looks pretty bad for me so i guess i'll train a new pvp char It's not a big problem, but saying that, if you fly a specialized role instead of general DPS and the opposing FC calls primaries, you'll be hit first. If you fly general DPS, you'll be hit first due to alphabetical order calling. Best to create something middle of the road name wise. Or use this character in small scale PVP where target calling is more tactical

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