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Tiber Ibis
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.23 22:54:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:They give the impression that you can actually achieve something in this game
I've finished the tutorials, carrer and sisters of eve arc with 600,000 SP yet I find myself unable to gain enough ISK to do anything. After losing a few ships in low sec I find myself unable to even aford a cruiser and am having to grind badly paying level 2 missions and mining 6 hours a day and yet barely achieving anything. Trading seems to have been designed for (and played by) actual workers in the stock market.
Mining pays about 1m isk an hour and tier 2 missions about the same. Yet a fully ensured and equibed cruiser is going to cost up to 15m.
Really the only way to achieve anything in this game seems just to buy and sell PLEX. And I'm not paying -ú15+ just to able to do things in game.
No wonder most people only play this game for a month
Why didn't you do some research or come and ask here in the forums before immediately jumping to whining? There are plenty of things you can do. From your attitude I have a feeling you wont be lasting long though, and any advice given will be simply wasted breath. |
Tiber Ibis
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.23 23:01:00 -
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Sebastian N Cain wrote:Paul Otichoda wrote:
Then explain how I saw someone with a battleship after 10 days or another with a 30m mining barge after 16 days?
Alts or Plex.
Almost certainly a noob who bought it with a PLEX. A ten day old player has no business being in a battleship, they will barely be able to fit any of the guns.
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Tiber Ibis
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.23 23:09:00 -
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Caldari Citizen 20120308 wrote:Tippia wrote:Paul Otichoda wrote:They give the impression that you can actually achieve something in this game You can. It's just that, in EVE, you are not entitled to any kind of achievement or success GÇö you have to actually make it happen yourself, and the game won't make it happen for you, or even help you along the way. This design is entirely intentional. I agree you're not entitled to achievements or success but do not agree with "the game won't make it happen for you." You pay for a service monthly which is playing an mmo and interacting with other players, and part of that service is providing players the tools necessary to become successful and the ability to obtain or furnish your own success within the confines of the game. If this wasn't the case I'm sure a ton of players would leave in mass herds elsewhere.
There is a big difference between "providing the tools for you" and "hand holding and making things happen for you". CCP leaves the tools for you at the bottom of a rusty pile of scrap in the back yard, and then makes you find them. To be fair they have done a lot though to improve the new player experience. The recent overhaul of exploration jumps to mind as being pretty much ideal for now players. |
Tiber Ibis
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.24 09:44:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Lidam wrote:Paul Otichoda wrote:They give the impression that you can actually achieve something in this game
I've finished the tutorials, carrer and sisters of eve arc with 600,000 SP yet I find myself unable to gain enough ISK to do anything. After losing a few ships in low sec I find myself unable to even aford a cruiser and am having to grind badly paying level 2 missions and mining 6 hours a day and yet barely achieving anything. Trading seems to have been designed for (and played by) actual workers in the stock market.
Mining pays about 1m isk an hour and tier 2 missions about the same. Yet a fully ensured and equibed cruiser is going to cost up to 15m.
Really the only way to achieve anything in this game seems just to buy and sell PLEX. And I'm not paying -ú15+ just to able to do things in game.
No wonder most people only play this game for a month Holy ****, the sense of entitlement coming from this post is overwhelming. If you can't achieve anything in this game, how do you explain that I'm barely 2 weeks older than you and have 1.2b from trading? I was making 40-50m a day when I was two weeks old. It's not impossible. Some other guy and I even gave you advice on the newbie forums which was pretty extensive save for telling you exactly what to buy (even there if you simply asked I could have given you a few tips). Nothing is going to come easy in this game. But if you set goals and are willing to put actual time and effort into something, then you will go far. Heres my general experience in trading Spend 3m on a buy order for minerals in a system full of asteroids, take it to Jita believing I can sell it for 40 after paying 12, find I was reading the selling section by mistake. Sell the stuff to a buyers at about 13 or so, and make about 100000 profit for half and hours work. Then give up and go back to mining.
That is because you aren't too smart. This is evident from your posting. There are plenty of suggestions in this thread for you, but you continue to ignore them and whinge. My personal advice for you would be world of warcraft. |
Tiber Ibis
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
51
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Posted - 2013.06.24 11:03:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Malcanis wrote:Paul Otichoda wrote:RubyPorto wrote:With 600k SP, you probably don't have the skills to fly a cruiser well.
Consider the following advice: Don't fly what you can't afford to lose.
You can't afford to lose cruisers, so it follows that... ?
You can put a competent frigate fit together for under 1m ISK. yeah everyone tells me that but no-one says how to make the money to recover their costs. I guess what he means is that you shouldn't be looking at cruisers yet. Stick to flying Frigates and Destroyers while your support skills (ie: electronics, engineering and mechanics Skills) improve and you have trained up your cruiser skill to 4. Trust me when I say that you still have a lot to learn about small ships, and I don't mean your character skills. 1.5M SP is probably a good threshold to start flying a cruiser, depending on exactly which kind you want. What ships and weapons are you training in at the moment? Training for mining barges (got the small one but can't afford the strip miners) and now I'm training salavaging. Actually is seems to be working.
Your listening to advice now, that is a good start. Here is a tip then for you, train up to use tractor beams alongside your salvagers, fit up a destroyer with 5 tractor beams and 3 salvagers fitted. Blitz a couple of missions in your combat ship, then dock up and refit into your salvaging destroyer, then go back and salvage and loot the missions. Remember you only have 2 hours before the loot expires.
Pretty basic way to make isk, but it will be a good start for you. |
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