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Paul Otichoda State War Academy Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.06.23 20:38:00 - [1] - Quote They give the impression that you can actually achieve something in this game I've finished the tutorials, carrer and sisters of eve arc with 600,000 SP yet I find myself unable to gain enough ISK to do anything. After losing a few ships in low sec I find myself unable to even aford a cruiser and am having to grind badly paying level 2 missions and mining 6 hours a day and yet barely achieving anything. Trading seems to have been designed for (and played by) actual workers in the stock market. Mining pays about 1m isk an hour and tier 2 missions about the same. Yet a fully ensured and equibed cruiser is going to cost up to 15m. Really the only way to achieve anything in this game seems just to buy and sell PLEX. And I'm not paying -ú15+ just to able to do things in game. No wonder most people only play this game for a month
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 3555	Posted - 2013.06.23 20:47:00 - [2] - Quote With 600k SP, you probably don't have the skills to fly a cruiser well. Consider the following advice: Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. You can't afford to lose cruisers, so it follows that... ? You can put a competent frigate fit together for under 1m ISK. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon
baltec1 Bat Country 6995	Posted - 2013.06.23 20:50:00 - [3] - Quote Quote: They give the impression that you can actually achieve something in this game I set the goal of becoming the best Megathron pilot in EVE. That was three years ago and I am still learning new things but I feel I am getting there. Set a goal, work towards it and don't expect it to happen quickly.
Paul Otichoda State War Academy Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.06.23 20:56:00 - [4] - Quote RubyPorto wrote: With 600k SP, you probably don't have the skills to fly a cruiser well. Consider the following advice: Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. You can't afford to lose cruisers, so it follows that... ? You can put a competent frigate fit together for under 1m ISK. yeah everyone tells me that but no-one says how to make the money to recover their costs.
Azurae South West Trading 67	Posted - 2013.06.23 20:57:00 - [5] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: They give the impression that you can actually achieve something in this game I've finished the tutorials, carrer and sisters of eve arc with 600,000 SP yet I find myself unable to gain enough ISK to do anything. After losing a few ships in low sec I find myself unable to even aford a cruiser and am having to grind badly paying level 2 missions and mining 6 hours a day and yet barely achieving anything. Trading seems to have been designed for (and played by) actual workers in the stock market. Mining pays about 1m isk an hour and tier 2 missions about the same. Yet a fully ensured and equibed cruiser is going to cost up to 15m. Really the only way to achieve anything in this game seems just to buy and sell PLEX. And I'm not paying -ú15+ just to able to do things in game. No wonder most people only play this game for a month you are two weeks in the game. back when eve started battleships were the 'endgame' shiptype and cruisers the middleground. you weren't supposed to get to battleships within just a few weeks. actually you are supposed to need a few weeks to get your first cruiser and a lot longer to be able to lose them left and right ;-) good indication for what you should be able to afford are your skillpoints. with just 600k you can't really fly cruisers well which is also why its hard to afford them. eve is a game setup for a long playing time. dont expect the WoW style within a week lvl 80 and a month to be endgame.... be patient, get a corp and eve will be rewarding edit: if you want to know how to make money do some research, don't expect to get everything served on a silver plate in eve.... (join a corp and you will learn better ways but in the end to really make money you will have to find out yourself ;-) )
Paul Otichoda State War Academy Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.06.23 21:03:00 - [6] - Quote Azurae wrote: Paul Otichoda wrote: They give the impression that you can actually achieve something in this game I've finished the tutorials, carrer and sisters of eve arc with 600,000 SP yet I find myself unable to gain enough ISK to do anything. After losing a few ships in low sec I find myself unable to even aford a cruiser and am having to grind badly paying level 2 missions and mining 6 hours a day and yet barely achieving anything. Trading seems to have been designed for (and played by) actual workers in the stock market. Mining pays about 1m isk an hour and tier 2 missions about the same. Yet a fully ensured and equibed cruiser is going to cost up to 15m. Really the only way to achieve anything in this game seems just to buy and sell PLEX. And I'm not paying -ú15+ just to able to do things in game. No wonder most people only play this game for a month you are two weeks in the game. back when eve started battleships were the 'endgame' shiptype and cruisers the middleground. you weren't supposed to get to battleships within just a few weeks. actually you are supposed to need a few weeks to get your first cruiser and a lot longer to be able to lose them left and right ;-) good indication for what you should be able to afford are your skillpoints. with just 600k you can't really fly cruisers well which is also why its hard to afford them. eve is a game setup for a long playing time. dont expect the WoW style within a week lvl 80 and a month to be endgame.... be patient, get a corp and eve will be rewarding edit: if you want to know how to make money do some research, don't expect to get everything served on a silver plate in eve.... (join a corp and you will learn better ways but in the end to really make money you will have to find out yourself ;-) ) Then explain how I saw someone with a battleship after 10 days or another with a 30m mining barge after 16 days?
Mother Drone Transcendent Breed 10	Posted - 2013.06.23 21:08:00 - [7] - Quote That's simply not true. You can earn a lot of isk (comparatively) with very low SPs. What you DO need is an understanding/experience of the game, which a new player doesn't have, of course. There come corporations into play... Either you're clever enough to find those ways of earning ISK of your own or you simply use your social skills (if you have any) to find the proper corp, which gives you valuable advices. Hint for you: gas/ladar sites if you're a miner or sec-tags if you're combat orientated or even scamming ... needs more knowledge of human behaviour than game mechanics^^. That are just 3 fast examples ps: Since this a drunk post please excuse horribad grammar/spelling error.
Galaxy Chicken New Order Logistics CODE. 14	Posted - 2013.06.23 21:11:00 - [8] - Quote Buy a PLEX, sell it for ISK and buy 1000 Rifters. Go with the Code. www.minerbumping.com
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 3555	Posted - 2013.06.23 21:16:00 - [9] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: Then explain how I saw someone with a battleship after 10 days or another with a 30m mining barge after 16 days? Odds are they're alts. Paul Otichoda wrote: yeah everyone tells me that but no-one says how to make the money to recover their costs. Find something that you enjoy doing and figure out how to make money doing it. For example, if you like running missions, you can get running l3s in under a month, and level 4s in 3-4 months. If you like playing with the market, you can start making money your first day. It's not going to be a lot, but if you keep reinvesting you can do very well. Scams require exactly 0 SP to pull off. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 4202	Posted - 2013.06.23 21:29:00 - [10] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: They give the impression that you can actually achieve something in this game You can, but unlike most other MMOs, here you have: - to be SMART enough to deserve such "something" - to set yourself intermediate objectives to achieve and get to such final objective. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel

Steve WingYip Lumodynamics Power Control Corp Panda Cave 1103	Posted - 2013.06.23 21:46:00 - [11] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: They give the impression that you can actually achieve something in this game I've finished the tutorials, carrer and sisters of eve arc with 600,000 SP yet I find myself unable to gain enough ISK to do anything. After losing a few ships in low sec I find myself unable to even aford a cruiser and am having to grind badly paying level 2 missions and mining 6 hours a day and yet barely achieving anything. Trading seems to have been designed for (and played by) actual workers in the stock market. Mining pays about 1m isk an hour and tier 2 missions about the same. Yet a fully ensured and equibed cruiser is going to cost up to 15m. Really the only way to achieve anything in this game seems just to buy and sell PLEX. And I'm not paying -ú15+ just to able to do things in game. No wonder most people only play this game for a month You should not rush to pvp in the game without support and you should not rush a cruiser in the game with only 600k sp. And no, don't buy plex this early. Find ways to make isk. Mining, trading, exploration, ratting. Hundreds of ways to do it.
Steve WingYip Lumodynamics Power Control Corp Panda Cave 1103	Posted - 2013.06.23 21:47:00 - [12] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: They give the impression that you can actually achieve something in this game I've finished the tutorials, carrer and sisters of eve arc with 600,000 SP yet I find myself unable to gain enough ISK to do anything. After losing a few ships in low sec I find myself unable to even aford a cruiser and am having to grind badly paying level 2 missions and mining 6 hours a day and yet barely achieving anything. Trading seems to have been designed for (and played by) actual workers in the stock market. Mining pays about 1m isk an hour and tier 2 missions about the same. Yet a fully ensured and equibed cruiser is going to cost up to 15m. Really the only way to achieve anything in this game seems just to buy and sell PLEX. And I'm not paying -ú15+ just to able to do things in game. No wonder most people only play this game for a month This seems like a QQ I died and lost my stuff, rather than a critique of the tutorials.
Caldari Citizen 20120308 State War Academy Caldari State 24	Posted - 2013.06.23 21:52:00 - [13] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: They give the impression that you can actually achieve something in this game I've finished the tutorials, carrer and sisters of eve arc with 600,000 SP yet I find myself unable to gain enough ISK to do anything. After losing a few ships in low sec I find myself unable to even aford a cruiser and am having to grind badly paying level 2 missions and mining 6 hours a day and yet barely achieving anything. Trading seems to have been designed for (and played by) actual workers in the stock market. Mining pays about 1m isk an hour and tier 2 missions about the same. Yet a fully ensured and equibed cruiser is going to cost up to 15m. Really the only way to achieve anything in this game seems just to buy and sell PLEX. And I'm not paying -ú15+ just to able to do things in game. No wonder most people only play this game for a month It feels like that yes, join faction warfare and do offensive/defensive plexing (novice sites) and earn lp -- use that lp to purchase/sell faction things on the market. Good income along with some pvp action. If you don't want the pvp action, just warp off until the hostile(s) leave? 0.0 for ratting / exploration
Leper ofBacon HELP GRANDMA SMASH HER LEGS IN 21	Posted - 2013.06.23 21:55:00 - [14] - Quote THIS GAME
Paul Otichoda State War Academy Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.06.23 21:55:00 - [15] - Quote Caldari Citizen 20120308 wrote: It feels like that yes, join faction warfare and do offensive/defensive plexing (novice sites) and earn lp -- use that lp to purchase/sell faction things on the market. Good income along with some pvp action. If you don't want the pvp action, just warp off until the hostile(s) leave? 0.0 for ratting / exploration because every PvP combat I've run across the enemy have jammed my warp drive then shot me. Also doesn't faction warfare destroy your standing with other factions. I don't want to walk off even more of the map.
Mr. Orange Band of Freelancers 248	Posted - 2013.06.23 21:56:00 - [16] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: They give the impression that you can actually achieve something in this game I've finished the tutorials, carrer and sisters of eve arc with 600,000 SP yet I find myself unable to gain enough ISK to do anything. After losing a few ships in low sec I find myself unable to even aford a cruiser and am having to grind badly paying level 2 missions and mining 6 hours a day and yet barely achieving anything. Trading seems to have been designed for (and played by) actual workers in the stock market. Mining pays about 1m isk an hour and tier 2 missions about the same. Yet a fully ensured and equibed cruiser is going to cost up to 15m. Really the only way to achieve anything in this game seems just to buy and sell PLEX. And I'm not paying -ú15+ just to able to do things in game. No wonder most people only play this game for a month Hmmm... I'll help you out. - Buy yourself a T1 frigate. - Training salvaging and buy salvagers. - Go to a busy L4 mission system. - Ask in local if anyone is running missions and not bothering to salvage. - Fleet up with the player(s). - Start collecting loot/salvage. - Profit. This will earn you ISK fast...
Bill Lane Military Gamers 38	Posted - 2013.06.23 21:59:00 - [17] - Quote Look, you can't come into the game and expect to be flying the badass ships and fits and doing the best stuff in game within your first two weeks. Stay out of lowsec until you can afford to replace your stuff, because in lowsec you will die. Live in highsec for a while and get a grasp of the game. Join a corp, let them help guide you on what you need to do. They can help you with ships, fits, skills, answer your questions. Get out of the noob NPC corp. The mission grind, ya it sucks. And mining doesn't get a good payout for the time invested (this coming from a miner) If you aren't using a mining barge or a venture, you're wasting time. Figure out which path you want to go down (PVE, mining, PVP) and dedicate your training to that path. It's going to take twice as long to get anywhere if you are constantly jumping around with your training (also coming from somebody who jumped around) If you can't afford to lose it, don't fly it. Realize that there is a difference between being able to fly a ship and being able to fly a ship well. If you can't fit it right, you're gonna lose it. Plain and simple. Eve is for the players in it for the long haul, but they have made it so that even a new player can find a goal to work towards and make it happen. You aren't going to be flying around becoming a PVP god in a faction battlecruiser or T3 within the first month. Find things to do until your skills allow you to do better. And the guys flying battleships and such within a very short time. Very likely alts being sent isk by their mains. Or they have a direction they are working for and bought and sold PLEX. Myself, I rarely buy PLEX ever and I've done just fine. So keep cool, know you have a long road ahead, and always continue to learn about the game. Good luck out there! http://www.militarygamers.com/
Kahega Amielden Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 792	Posted - 2013.06.23 21:59:00 - [18] - Quote Quote: yeah everyone tells me that but no-one says how to make the money to recover their costs. Is there any particular reason why you decided to skip the two cheapest ship classes and jump into cruisers?
Tumahub Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1099	Posted - 2013.06.23 22:00:00 - [19] - Quote Posting in an entitlement thread.
Sebastian N Cain Aliastra Gallente Federation 189	Posted - 2013.06.23 22:01:00 - [20] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: Azurae wrote: Paul Otichoda wrote: They give the impression that you can actually achieve something in this game I've finished the tutorials, carrer and sisters of eve arc with 600,000 SP yet I find myself unable to gain enough ISK to do anything. After losing a few ships in low sec I find myself unable to even aford a cruiser and am having to grind badly paying level 2 missions and mining 6 hours a day and yet barely achieving anything. Trading seems to have been designed for (and played by) actual workers in the stock market. Mining pays about 1m isk an hour and tier 2 missions about the same. Yet a fully ensured and equibed cruiser is going to cost up to 15m. Really the only way to achieve anything in this game seems just to buy and sell PLEX. And I'm not paying -ú15+ just to able to do things in game. No wonder most people only play this game for a month you are two weeks in the game. back when eve started battleships were the 'endgame' shiptype and cruisers the middleground. you weren't supposed to get to battleships within just a few weeks. actually you are supposed to need a few weeks to get your first cruiser and a lot longer to be able to lose them left and right ;-) good indication for what you should be able to afford are your skillpoints. with just 600k you can't really fly cruisers well which is also why its hard to afford them. eve is a game setup for a long playing time. dont expect the WoW style within a week lvl 80 and a month to be endgame.... be patient, get a corp and eve will be rewarding edit: if you want to know how to make money do some research, don't expect to get everything served on a silver plate in eve.... (join a corp and you will learn better ways but in the end to really make money you will have to find out yourself ;-) ) Then explain how I saw someone with a battleship after 10 days or another with a 30m mining barge after 16 days? Alts or Plex. Without an outside source of money it wouldn't happen. However, doing it like ths isn't a good idea. Because being able to sit in that ship doesn't mean you can do something good with it. You don't need every skill at V, but at least your skills should be decent. Then there is the player's skill, of course. Manual piloting, how to fit your ship, ewar, tactics...there is much to learn before you are somewhat efficient in combat and until you know the ropes, you will lose many ships and learn from the training you get out of the fights. And it is preferable to let these ships be cheap stuff like T1 fitted frigates so you can use them like throwaway training equipment without hurting your wallet. Eve Uni is a good place to learn the basics, they are there for teaching new players. Red vs Blue is a good next step to learn more. Of course, if you know already a good corp that you want to join they can also teach you. Once you have learned this stuff you likely also will have the skills and the standings to take on better paid stuff so you will have the wallet to make your next step: cruisers/battlecruisers and soetime later on battleships. It's a kinda slow progression but it is a MMO with a long perspective, after all. And frankly speaking, those who use shortcuts are most likely to become the suppliers of nice killmails to those who didn't skimp on honing their capabilities. And many vets are actually quite happy to fly smaller ships, they are more fun than the slow bricks. So it's not that you can't enjoy yourself until you have more expensive options. So my suggestion in short: fly frigates, join a corp (if you don't have any you want to join then go for EvE Uni, after that RvB for training and make your choice after that) and take on larger stuff after that. "You either need less science fiction or more medication." "Or less medication and more ammo!"

Caldari Citizen 20120308 State War Academy Caldari State 24	Posted - 2013.06.23 22:05:00 - [21] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: Caldari Citizen 20120308 wrote: It feels like that yes, join faction warfare and do offensive/defensive plexing (novice sites) and earn lp -- use that lp to purchase/sell faction things on the market. Good income along with some pvp action. If you don't want the pvp action, just warp off until the hostile(s) leave? 0.0 for ratting / exploration because every PvP combat I've run across the enemy have jammed my warp drive then shot me. Also doesn't faction warfare destroy your standing with other factions. I don't want to walk off even more of the map. Reviewing the killboards this character has only lost a caracal. With 600k sp you should stay with frigs atm. And plexing in fw sites in a frig you have a good chance to warp off in novice/small/med sites. Just use your dscan when characters come into the sytem :) cheers.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 15190	Posted - 2013.06.23 22:31:00 - [22] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: They give the impression that you can actually achieve something in this game You can. It's just that, in EVE, you are not entitled to any kind of achievement or success GÇö you have to actually make it happen yourself, and the game won't make it happen for you, or even help you along the way. This design is entirely intentional. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0.
Jimmy Morane Aurora Novae Aetatis Expoit This Mf's 38	Posted - 2013.06.23 22:42:00 - [23] - Quote Steve WingYip wrote: Paul Otichoda wrote: They give the impression that you can actually achieve something in this game I've finished the tutorials, carrer and sisters of eve arc with 600,000 SP yet I find myself unable to gain enough ISK to do anything. After losing a few ships in low sec I find myself unable to even aford a cruiser and am having to grind badly paying level 2 missions and mining 6 hours a day and yet barely achieving anything. Trading seems to have been designed for (and played by) actual workers in the stock market. Mining pays about 1m isk an hour and tier 2 missions about the same. Yet a fully ensured and equibed cruiser is going to cost up to 15m. Really the only way to achieve anything in this game seems just to buy and sell PLEX. And I'm not paying -ú15+ just to able to do things in game. No wonder most people only play this game for a month This seems like a QQ I died and lost my stuff, rather than a critique of the tutorials. Yes, and there was a similar post yesterday with the guy that said you had to have all 4 and 5 levels skills to do anything in the game and that meant ccp was hamstringing him. And, also similar, that guy just kept fending off any suggestions given to him.
Tiber Ibis Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 51	Posted - 2013.06.23 22:54:00 - [24] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: They give the impression that you can actually achieve something in this game I've finished the tutorials, carrer and sisters of eve arc with 600,000 SP yet I find myself unable to gain enough ISK to do anything. After losing a few ships in low sec I find myself unable to even aford a cruiser and am having to grind badly paying level 2 missions and mining 6 hours a day and yet barely achieving anything. Trading seems to have been designed for (and played by) actual workers in the stock market. Mining pays about 1m isk an hour and tier 2 missions about the same. Yet a fully ensured and equibed cruiser is going to cost up to 15m. Really the only way to achieve anything in this game seems just to buy and sell PLEX. And I'm not paying -ú15+ just to able to do things in game. No wonder most people only play this game for a month Why didn't you do some research or come and ask here in the forums before immediately jumping to whining? There are plenty of things you can do. From your attitude I have a feeling you wont be lasting long though, and any advice given will be simply wasted breath.
Caldari Citizen 20120308 State War Academy Caldari State 25	Posted - 2013.06.23 22:59:00 - [25] - Quote Tippia wrote: Paul Otichoda wrote: They give the impression that you can actually achieve something in this game You can. It's just that, in EVE, you are not entitled to any kind of achievement or success GÇö you have to actually make it happen yourself, and the game won't make it happen for you, or even help you along the way. This design is entirely intentional. I agree you're not entitled to achievements or success but do not agree with "the game won't make it happen for you." You pay for a service monthly which is playing an mmo and interacting with other players, and part of that service is providing players the tools necessary to become successful and the ability to obtain or furnish your own success within the confines of the game. If this wasn't the case I'm sure a ton of players would leave in mass herds elsewhere.
Tiber Ibis Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 51	Posted - 2013.06.23 23:01:00 - [26] - Quote Sebastian N Cain wrote: Paul Otichoda wrote: Then explain how I saw someone with a battleship after 10 days or another with a 30m mining barge after 16 days? Alts or Plex. Almost certainly a noob who bought it with a PLEX. A ten day old player has no business being in a battleship, they will barely be able to fit any of the guns.
Jeffrey Asher Bunne 0	Posted - 2013.06.23 23:01:00 - [27] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: They give the impression that you can actually achieve something in this game I've finished the tutorials, carrer and sisters of eve arc with 600,000 SP yet I find myself unable to gain enough ISK to do anything. After losing a few ships in low sec I find myself unable to even aford a cruiser and am having to grind badly paying level 2 missions and mining 6 hours a day and yet barely achieving anything. Trading seems to have been designed for (and played by) actual workers in the stock market. Mining pays about 1m isk an hour and tier 2 missions about the same. Yet a fully ensured and equibed cruiser is going to cost up to 15m. Really the only way to achieve anything in this game seems just to buy and sell PLEX. And I'm not paying -ú15+ just to able to do things in game. No wonder most people only play this game for a month I am currently up to the stage of running T2 missions and salvaging 1.5-3 mil per mission, admittedly 3mil is a very good one and doesn't happen every time but the 1.5 does, on top of the mission payment. So I'd say start salvaging your missions straight away and you'll earn a lot more. In the one month I have played, I have bought entirely by myself a Retriever to mine with, makes much more than 1mil/hour even mining in 0.8-1 sec systems, a Vexor to lvl 2 mission and a couple of Catalysts with different fits ready to go for anything fun, plus some frigates fitted out with T1 gear. Definitely study more on how to make ISK efficiently and train salvage if you do not have it - even better, depending on race, are salvage drones as they don't take up a weapon slot. The other point I would make is you can achieve whatever you want in this game, you probably need to work out what it is that you want to achieve and start training towards it - if it's PVP then you probably need to training something else first to make the money to fund losing a lot of ships for a while, mining fits that bill if you train it up and get a barge. Good luck with it, I hope you stick with it and enjoy and hopefully I'll get to vs you one day in PVP.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 15191	Posted - 2013.06.23 23:06:00 - [28] - Quote Caldari Citizen 20120308 wrote: I agree you're not entitled to achievements or success but do not agree with "the game won't make it happen for you." You pay for a service monthly which is playing an mmo and interacting with other players, and part of that service is providing players the tools necessary to become successful and the ability to obtain or furnish your own success within the confines of the game. If this wasn't the case I'm sure a ton of players would leave in mass herds elsewhere. Oh, sure, but there's a difference between having the tools to do something spectacular and having the game perform spectacles for you. My point is EVE does the former, not the latter GÇö any spectacle that occurs will be entirely of your own (or other players') making. This is entirely intentional. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0.
Sensui-kan 0	Posted - 2013.06.23 23:07:00 - [29] - Quote Tippia wrote: Paul Otichoda wrote: They give the impression that you can actually achieve something in this game You can. It's just that, in EVE, you are not entitled to any kind of achievement or success GÇö you have to actually make it happen yourself, and the game won't make it happen for you, or even help you along the way. This design is entirely intentional. There are no winners in video games, no accomplishments, you should reflect on that.
Tiber Ibis Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 51	Posted - 2013.06.23 23:09:00 - [30] - Quote Caldari Citizen 20120308 wrote: Tippia wrote: Paul Otichoda wrote: They give the impression that you can actually achieve something in this game You can. It's just that, in EVE, you are not entitled to any kind of achievement or success GÇö you have to actually make it happen yourself, and the game won't make it happen for you, or even help you along the way. This design is entirely intentional. I agree you're not entitled to achievements or success but do not agree with "the game won't make it happen for you." You pay for a service monthly which is playing an mmo and interacting with other players, and part of that service is providing players the tools necessary to become successful and the ability to obtain or furnish your own success within the confines of the game. If this wasn't the case I'm sure a ton of players would leave in mass herds elsewhere. There is a big difference between "providing the tools for you" and "hand holding and making things happen for you". CCP leaves the tools for you at the bottom of a rusty pile of scrap in the back yard, and then makes you find them. To be fair they have done a lot though to improve the new player experience. The recent overhaul of exploration jumps to mind as being pretty much ideal for now players.



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