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Skill Training Online Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 27	Posted - 2013.06.24 01:07:00 - [1] - Quote Eight percent of Males and half a percent of females in the United States are COLOR BLIND. Red/Green Color Blindness is the MOST COMMON form. A few years back CCP satisfied the 92% and added very helpful color coding to contracts to help reduce contract confusion. So what colors did CCP choose to make their contracts easy to read? Green for money gained. Red for money lost. Bummer! Seems they missed something CRITICAL and in retrospect needs to be changed. a person can't be Red/Green colorblind and also Magenta/Cyan colorblind, the two combined would result in complete blindness so an easy option.: CCP should offer the ability: to turn all green text: Cyan -and- to turn all red text: Magenta. With such a small change I am sure some of the affected population will be "magenta boxing" their fellow capsuleers in PVP, and the Color Blind industrialists will be raking in piles of cold cyan cash.
Hessian Arcturus S.W.O.R.D. Navy 175	Posted - 2013.06.24 01:16:00 - [2] - Quote Not colour blind myself but +1 for this... It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself.
Alexa Coates Federation Navy Assembly Group LLC 648	Posted - 2013.06.24 01:17:00 - [3] - Quote getting real sick of these troll threads. can all of you do everyone else a favor and kill yourselves violently. That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Skill Training Online Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 27	Posted - 2013.06.24 01:22:00 - [4] - Quote Alexa Coates wrote: getting real sick of these troll threads. can all of you do everyone else a favor and kill yourselves violently. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_blindness http://www.webmd.com/eye-health/tc/color-blindness-topic-overview http://www.toledo-bend.com/colorblind/Ishihara.asp Nothing to troll about here
MaRU2760 133 Veerhouven Ventures 47	Posted - 2013.06.24 02:18:00 - [5] - Quote Alexa Coates wrote: getting real sick of these troll threads. can all of you do everyone else a favor and kill yourselves violently. It's not a troll. It is a legitimate issue. I am red/green color blind. I don't even know what I am missing there, but I do know that it very difficult for me to tell the yellow symbol on the overview from the white ones. Consequently I have to check both the overview and the rout, in many cases to keep from getting lost. That is only one of the problems I have. Would you think it was a troll if you had the same problem?
Adunh Slavy 1036	Posted - 2013.06.24 02:25:00 - [6] - Quote Alexa Coates wrote: getting real sick of these troll threads. What makes this a troll other than your claim?
Xeraphi The Gun Runners 49	Posted - 2013.06.24 02:27:00 - [7] - Quote Hessian Arcturus wrote: Not colour blind myself but +1 for this... Same here. Have different visual issues with the game so I can definitely empathize with the OP. Target death animation flicker problem #2 Target death animation flicker problem #1 Please fix before June 21 I'd like to keep playing EVE!
Odd Jack Ryleh State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.06.24 02:45:00 - [8] - Quote I am actually quite color blind myself, runs in the family. So I definitely sympathize with the OP, just started playing again after a couple years so at the very least I know to pay attention to this now. Thanks OP!
Etteluor Debitum Naturae WHY so Seri0Us 6	Posted - 2013.06.24 03:00:00 - [9] - Quote Alexa Coates wrote: getting real sick of these troll threads. can all of you do everyone else a favor and kill yourselves violently. Did you reply to the wrong thread?
Jimmy O'Shanty The Westies 2	Posted - 2013.06.24 03:07:00 - [10] - Quote I'm completely blind and I think it's unfair that CCP has decided to make my favorite internet spaceship game without sensitivity to that. I log on (I think) and play but I don't know if I'm in space or docked most of the time. I try to play the markets but I don't know what screen I'm looking at. I think I may be in a corporation but don't actually know. These issues are hurtful. Can CCP please help?

Nyancat Audeles Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 340	Posted - 2013.06.24 03:09:00 - [11] - Quote Not color blind myself but +1
Reuben Johnson Gal-Min Industries 162	Posted - 2013.06.24 03:10:00 - [12] - Quote Im color blind and I hardly find this a problem. i don't find it the world's responsibility to cater to me because I have a deficiency, it's my obligation to adapt. In doing so, I've become someone who adapts quickly and thinks outside of the box. Their'e lots of ways to set up overviews and other such things in Eve. If you can't make a setup you can recgonize, that's you're fault. Colorblindness is like any other form of eye problems, the level to which one "see's" or doesn't "see" colors varies wildy (I'm techinacally what they call shade blind, I can see hard yellow, red, green and blue, but certain shades screw me up as they blend into each other)...you can't expect anyone to come up with every variation possible to make such a small percentage happy.
Nyancat Audeles Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 340	Posted - 2013.06.24 03:11:00 - [13] - Quote Jimmy O'Shanty wrote: I'm completely blind and I think it's unfair that CCP has decided to make my favorite internet spaceship game without sensitivity to that. I log on (I think) and play but I don't know if I'm in space or docked most of the time. I try to play the markets but I don't know what screen I'm looking at. I think I may be in a corporation but don't actually know. These issues are hurtful. Can CCP please help? Color blindness is a relatively easy thing for game devs to work around, its just a matter of swapping out a few colors. I don't see how this would harm anyone. Also, anyone who says it is a waste of dev resources is a selfish as*hole who should go kill themselves.
Joan Greywind Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 21	Posted - 2013.06.24 03:18:00 - [14] - Quote Nyancat Audeles wrote: Jimmy O'Shanty wrote: I'm completely blind and I think it's unfair that CCP has decided to make my favorite internet spaceship game without sensitivity to that. I log on (I think) and play but I don't know if I'm in space or docked most of the time. I try to play the markets but I don't know what screen I'm looking at. I think I may be in a corporation but don't actually know. These issues are hurtful. Can CCP please help? Color blindness is a relatively easy thing for game devs to work around, its just a matter of swapping out a few colors. I don't see how this would harm anyone. Also, anyone who says it is a waste of dev resources is a selfish as*hole who should go kill themselves. It is a waste of dev's time. Guess EVE is the perfect game for me.
Reuben Johnson Gal-Min Industries 163	Posted - 2013.06.24 03:30:00 - [15] - Quote Nyancat Audeles wrote: Also, anyone who says it is a waste of dev resources is a selfish ashole who should go kill themselves. So because I feel it's my responsibility to adapt I should go off myself? You are some piece of work, you are. There isn't any common color scheme the devs can configure to. I've learned to adapt baed on true colors and how I actually see them. I know grass isn't orange. even though that's how I see it..so when I see that shade, i know it's really green. You start messing with base colors and you screw up people like me who've learned to adapt what they see with what it actually is. Now, you want to make my life harder by "helping" me? go *** youreself, and then kill yourself.
Jimmy O'Shanty The Westies 2	Posted - 2013.06.24 03:42:00 - [16] - Quote Nyancat Audeles wrote: Also, anyone who says it is a waste of dev resources is a selfish as*hole who should go kill themselves. I could not myself agree further. When will CCP implement handi-capped docking stations for those of us who are hockey helmet wearing special people? How about the armless? What accessibility features does CCP use to address their peculiar needs? Or are they merely 3/5th of a man?! End the Racism! Stop the Hate!
Sentamon Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1092	Posted - 2013.06.24 03:45:00 - [17] - Quote save the puppies!! ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~
DarthNefarius Minmatar Heavy Industries 1126	Posted - 2013.06.24 03:51:00 - [18] - Quote Sentamon wrote: save the puppies!! BUT CLUB THE BABBY SEALS An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta theTerminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system'scrashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Lost True Paradise project 2346	Posted - 2013.06.24 03:56:00 - [19] - Quote I've never seen a color blind people... Well, if that's a real issue, i'd prefer the option in the ESC menu for "color blind" theme. And i'd like to use more colours because i can, so leave us, the normal people, alone. in 2007 i've thought it's a sci-fi simulator, not an "e-sports" game. I'm not a teenager, how would i like it much?

ISD Gallifreyan ISD Community Communications Liaisons 188	Posted - 2013.06.24 03:58:00 - [20] - Quote Locked for cleaning. ISD Gallifreyan Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department


Alvatore DiMarco Capricious Endeavours Ltd 500	Posted - 2013.06.24 04:29:00 - [21] - Quote I'm not sure I understand what all the outrage, trolling and general ... immaturity, I guess(?) is about, but this seems like a perfectly legitimate and reasonable thing. Color-blindness and general disability isn't what EVE's mantra of "Adapt or Die" is referring to, and being able to adapt to something doesn't mean a more accessible alternative shouldn't be provided if it's simple and reasonable to do. +1 from me. Also, to the troll who's trolling about "being blind", there is in fact at least one person who does play EVE while blind. Something to do with screen readers, as I recall. They don't get into complex gameplay, but they're still able to play.
Reuben Johnson Gal-Min Industries 163	Posted - 2013.06.24 04:38:00 - [22] - Quote Alvatore DiMarco wrote: I'm not sure I understand what all the outrage, trolling and general ... immaturity, I guess(?) is about, but this seems like a perfectly legitimate and reasonable thing. Color-blindness and general disability isn't what EVE's mantra of "Adapt or Die" is referring to, and being able to adapt to something doesn't mean a more accessible alternative shouldn't be provided if it's simple and reasonable to do. +1 from me. Also, to the troll who's trolling about "being blind", there is in fact at least one person who does play EVE while blind. Something to do with screen readers, as I recall. They don't get into complex gameplay, but they're still able to play. It's about self appointed do gooders who feel its their right to go into a blind man's house and re-arrange all his furniture and demand a thank you as he falls over everything becuase it's no longer where it used to be. It's about people like myself with certain abnormalities who've adapted to the world around them, instead of crying discrimination becuase the world won't bend to them. Don't move my damn furniture...and get off my orange lawn!
TheButcherPete The James Gang SpaceMonkey's Alliance 281	Posted - 2013.06.24 04:53:00 - [23] - Quote Why not just add a "colorblind" mode so it doesn't ruin it for the people who aren't so unfortunate THE KING OF EVE RADIO ElQuirko is my son
Alvatore DiMarco Capricious Endeavours Ltd 500	Posted - 2013.06.24 05:02:00 - [24] - Quote Nobody's "moving your damn furniture". You either ignored or missed the part where OP said it should be an option. It's about presenting the ability for someone else to move their furniture around if they want to. Excellent, you've adapted successfully to your disability. That still doesn't give you the right to say "screw you" when someone else proposes adding the option for other people to change their interface around in a way that might help them do the same. Also, nobody's declaring it's "their right" or "demanding a thank you". It's a suggestion. Try to be less oversensitive and indignant, please.
Jerick Ludhowe trolllolcorp 474	Posted - 2013.06.24 06:37:00 - [25] - Quote MaRU2760 133 wrote: It's not a troll. It is a legitimate issue. I am red/green color blind. I don't even know what I am missing there, but I do know that it very difficult for me to tell the yellow symbol on the overview from the white ones. Consequently I have to check both the overview and the rout, in many cases to keep from getting lost. That is only one of the problems I have. Would you think it was a troll if you had the same problem? When the word "discrimination" is in the thread title in regard's to some players being color blind it's most certainly a troll thread. There is 100% no discrimination going on with the choice of colors used in the ui, regardless if it's "unintentional" or not... That's like saying it's discrimination against the wheelchair bound that I don't have a ramp to my house... While the motive of the ops post is good the manner in which it was delivered came off as extremely whiny... Lack of CB support is not discrimination however it is something that should be changed.
Alara IonStorm 5175	Posted - 2013.06.24 06:54:00 - [26] - Quote TheButcherPete wrote: Why not just add a "colorblind" mode so it doesn't ruin it for the people who aren't so unfortunate That is exactly what he wants to do. He wants an options that flips certain colors that certain people have trouble seeing around. So there is EVE color standard that we would play. Then there is an option that changes colors that can be better seen by those who have trouble. I am not color blind so would simply keep my settings as is.
Caitlyn Tufy Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact 343	Posted - 2013.06.24 07:02:00 - [27] - Quote Joan Greywind wrote: It is a waste of dev's time. Guess EVE is the perfect game for me. Except it takes no time at all. Photoshop: View -> Proof Setup -> tick Color Blindness. You display now shows what the most common color blind people see, from here on out, it's easy to fix the entire UI's graphics within minutes. Alara IonStorm wrote: TheButcherPete wrote: Why not just add a "colorblind" mode so it doesn't ruin it for the people who aren't so unfortunate That is exactly what he wants to do. He wants an options that flips certain colors that certain people have trouble seeing around. So there is EVE color standard that we would play. Then there is an option that changes colors that can be better seen by those who have trouble. I am not color blind so would simply keep my settings as is. Frankly, even this is generally not required, as long as the colors are distinct enough. For instance, if one is dark and the other is light, most color blind people will see the difference, even though they won't be able to differentiate between the individual colors.
Jerick Ludhowe trolllolcorp 474	Posted - 2013.06.24 07:23:00 - [28] - Quote Caitlyn Tufy wrote: Except it takes no time at all. Photoshop: View -> Proof Setup -> tick Color Blindness. You display now shows what the most common color blind people see, from here on out, it's easy to fix the entire UI's graphics within minutes. Almost as easy as porting high res textures that already exist to the community via an optional download... What I'm getting at is that even the easiest tasks are overly complicated/drawn out by ccp. What would probably take any of us with a modest amount of graphic design know how a couple hours will end up taking ccp months. It's just how it is sadly.
imbaRabbit Suddenly rabbit 51	Posted - 2013.06.24 07:27:00 - [29] - Quote This is just one of those settings which should've been easy to change but they're probably not. Maybe you think that the change is easy, since that would be just a change of color profile but no ... The colors are probably hard-coded and they have no way to change colors as you want. One would expect that it's possible to create color templates and apply them to any text which can be colored but yeah ... Just like the other topic (~ more than 100 fits) which should be easily changeable but there's no response what-so-ever. I support the OP with this request. But in addition to it: expand the idea in a way that user can create/change color profiles. It's probably bit more complex, but whatever. Just adding a suggestion. Let the current color scheme as 'default'. I like the colors how they are now, and they should not get removed or changed.
Mark Androcius 146	Posted - 2013.06.24 08:26:00 - [30] - Quote Please CCP, also keep in mind the people without hands, people who are deaf, people who can't speak, people who are partially paralyzed, people who have down syndrome, people who....... you get the picture. The color blind, the reason why American traffic signs say walk/don't walk instead of just green and red. Yet at the same time, THEY ARE STILL GREEN AND RED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I get it, you are color blind, it is not ideal for you, you'll have to do some more reading and paying more attention to text in stead of colors. Please stop asking for stuff that works great for the majority, to change for a MIGHTILY small minority. If a man speaks his mind in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong?



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