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Avon	Posted - 2005.11.24 11:38:00 - [31] Two blonds walking through the country... "Look, sheep tracks" 'No, thems cow tracks' "Sheep tracks!" 'Cow tracks!' "Sheeps!" 'Cows!!!' "Shee.." They were still arguing about it when the train hit them. ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Eth eb'Veohn	Posted - 2005.11.24 12:00:00 - [32] I agree with your contention that e-bay sales involve more than macro-mining; if only for the reason that it has taken CCP so long to address the problem. There is some complexity which is forestalling the simple solutions. I only trust that the game will not be compromised.
Avon	Posted - 2005.11.24 12:07:00 - [33] Originally by: Eth eb'Veohn I agree with your contention that e-bay sales involve more than macro-mining; if only for the reason that it has taken CCP so long to address the problem. There is some complexity which is forestalling the simple solutions. I only trust that the game will not be compromised. This thread has been derailed by order of the [23] (soon to be [22]). Please do not attempt to bring it back on topic. Thank you for your co-operation. ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
hellraiser 2	Posted - 2005.11.24 13:00:00 - [34] Originally by: Kira Natel I've been reading the various posts and witch hunting going on lately. I'm against farming and macroing but it got me thinking to look at Ebay. A quick scan shows roughly 30-50 BILLION up for sale at this particular time. That's a lot of isk. One seller had 5 Billion in 1 chunk for sale. Further looking shows Sellers: US 10 China 8 Canada 4 Romania 2 Australia 1 Estonia 1 France 1 Sweden 1 Uk 4 Netherlands 2 Germany 2 Spain 1 Latvia 1 Russia 1 Iceland 1 ( A low level DEV possibly? ) Its a lot of isk, some of it from macroer's but I wonder if it also comes from unscupulous players with deep pockets who stay quiet in the background or become vocal in the forums demanding action against macroers. Or maybe its a fat corps CEO or directors skimming the corp accounts. Not like its never been done in RL is it? Another thought- Maybe that macroer you tried talking to who doesn't understand english very well and types chinese lives in London, New York or anywhere else but China and can't order a chinese fortune cookie in chinese, or maybe he does live in China. Point being- never take anything at face value especially in this game or on the internet in general. I could type in a bunch of phrases in various languages and most would assume I'm from that country Una cerveza, por favor Food for thought Ni Hao I would just like to point out that the numbers of people from each country that sell on E-bay are slighty misleading. Firstly as a UK player i can set up an account for another country purely because nothing is physically delivered. Also the Pound and the dollar are very strong currencies and are used in alot of Eastern countries as a popular substitute for the countries main currency. Therefore its highly likley people in other countries are selling isk for pounds and dollars Which isn't their main currancy. Yes i would say many eastern players make up most of the isk selling population and as CCP admit from their decision, to possible allow this to be done on the serenity server when it opens, this is a part of their game playing culture. My opinion is that CCP's reason for protecting their intillectual property will become slightly shaded if they allow it on serenity. Also the increase in time card code selling for isk ( indirect isk selling ) has suddenly increased which CCP have turned a blind eye to because at the end of the day they get the real money. The way i read the EULA is that the the trading/selling of isk for out of game money/items/services is not allowed. This is contridicted by the current time card policy. Time cards are related to the game but are not something which exists within the game. just me 2 cents
Avon	Posted - 2005.11.24 13:07:00 - [35] What sort of joke was that? It didn't even have a punchline. ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
betty spliter	Posted - 2005.11.24 13:08:00 - [36] Originally by: Ryles what's got two legs and bleeds.... half a dog Funniest joke on these boards ever.
Tonkin	Posted - 2005.11.24 13:10:00 - [37] solution to kill macrominers, cant use a barge in plus 5 space, like the dread hehehehehe
Martin Gore	Posted - 2005.11.24 13:55:00 - [38] That's a perfect solution.
Fooball	Posted - 2005.11.24 15:01:00 - [39] That's ~40 sellers. Let's say they have in average 5 clients running each. That means that constantly 200 players online are doing 24/7 mining ops. But that's just a few of the sellers. There must be more selling channels, some are using more ships to mine etc. Say, 500 "players" constantly online just farming. 24/7.
Serpensis	Posted - 2005.11.24 15:14:00 - [40] @Avon : lmao at that joke :) I dont know how much cash changes hands in a day, but every transaction is logged. If 1 guy gives out 100M ISK several times a day, to players who are not affiliated with him or his corp, that should trigger an alarm somewhere. -- "Fear accompanies the possibility of death, calm sheperds its certainty."
Taihira	Posted - 2005.11.24 15:23:00 - [41] Originally by: Serpensis If 1 guy gives out 100M ISK several times a day, to players who are not affiliated with him or his corp, that should trigger an alarm somewhere. Hopefully the alarm could be disabled for the Eve-Radio DJs, then. I can see Stora being banned as an isk seller, for her habit of giving away bilions. bless her. :)
Angry Sheep	Posted - 2005.11.24 15:24:00 - [42] SIMPLE Stop trial accounts from mining i.e. cant fit mining lasers etc (I know involves some code), then you can ban real accounts that use macro mining... Just an idea.. It's a Dog eat Dog World out there and I'm wearing Milky Bone underwear
Serpensis	Posted - 2005.11.24 15:28:00 - [43] Originally by: Angry Sheep SIMPLE Stop trial accounts from mining i.e. cant fit mining lasers etc (I know involves some code), then you can ban real accounts that use macro mining... Just an idea.. Somehow, just a hunch, I dont think this will work. You know, a lot of the macroers running around in covetors, have been playing for everything between 2-11 months. And, well, then they arent using trial-accounts, now are they? -- "Fear accompanies the possibility of death, calm sheperds its certainty."
thedragoon	Posted - 2005.11.24 16:39:00 - [44] Dont you think that it is scary that ASCN have $18600 worth of outpost's floating round their space. if you convert it from isk to $ at the current exchange rate Just a thought.
thedragoon	Posted - 2005.11.24 16:42:00 - [45] And also if CCP really wanted to ***** down on ebay i am sure they would. But the fact - Free Advertising. Also shows how close of a world CCP have created to the real world. Market trading on ebay to me is a good thing although i have never bought isk or anything off it I dont see the problem with it myself.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.11.24 16:57:00 - [46] Originally by: Angry Sheep SIMPLE Stop trial accounts from mining i.e. cant fit mining lasers etc (I know involves some code), then you can ban real accounts that use macro mining... Just an idea.. Genius! Now none of the prospective new subsribers can complete the tutorial
Dracule	Posted - 2005.11.24 16:59:00 - [47] Originally by: WeLoveYouLongTime Edited by: WeLoveYouLongTime on 24/11/2005 02:24:28 This topic has been beaten to death for the last 3 months or so and tbh a lot of people are getting sick of it yeh so what there will always be exploiters in any game, my gran dad exploits when we play monopoly, he always plays banker and steals the pink notes, but i dont whine about it I just play the game and enjoy it. Seriously guys lay the whole macromining/ebay thing to rest, its getting annoying now. SOMEOME PLZ MODERATE THIS NAME !!!! makes the threads *** !
Avon	Posted - 2005.11.24 17:14:00 - [48] Edited by: Avon on 24/11/2005 17:13:54 Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: Angry Sheep SIMPLE Stop trial accounts from mining i.e. cant fit mining lasers etc (I know involves some code), then you can ban real accounts that use macro mining... Just an idea.. Genius! Now none of the prospective new subsribers can complete the tutorial Couldn't they just steal the ore they need to complete the tutorial? ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Jerusaleman	Posted - 2005.11.24 17:17:00 - [49] im glad people sell there stuff i hope they have a great time doing it nice to think yhey get other things out of eve mostly i just dont give a rats ****e
Minmatar Citizen 128	Posted - 2005.11.24 21:26:00 - [50] DEJA is A KNOB!!!!
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2005.11.24 21:27:00 - [51] Originally by: Minmatar Citizen 128 DEJA is A KNOB!!!! And before someone claims this is me, I hate Minmatar.
Fooball	Posted - 2005.11.24 23:45:00 - [52] Originally by: Serpensis Somehow, just a hunch, I dont think this will work. You know, a lot of the macroers running around in covetors, have been playing for everything between 2-11 months. And, well, then they arent using trial-accounts, now are they? I will say this again. I will keep saying this as many times as it is required until people understand. That's because they are most likely not using macros. They are living mostly in places where you can really hire someone to play the game for 1 dollar/day or something like that. A little chinese kid is a powerful way to "macro" without triggering any "macro alerts". It's also cheap and though it plays kinda bad it does the job. And they don't react to you because what could they do? They can't understand a word of what you would be yelling anyways.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2005.11.25 05:37:00 - [53] Originally by: Caztra Tor I think that allowing the sale of isk and mods etc. actually improves the game. I believe it levels the playing field between casual and power gamers. Also, the added economic benefits to the players can make it profitable to play eve. I think they should lift the restrictions in respect to this type of activity. my 2 cents I think you're insane and as clueless as the people who think that having some extra RL to burn on timecards makes it ok to jump ahead in the game. ------------------------------------ Your Civilian Gatling Railgun perfectly strikes Choke Slam [CAIN], wrecking for 6.0 damage.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2005.11.25 05:45:00 - [54] Edited by: Malthros Zenobia on 25/11/2005 05:47:49 Damn double post ------------------------------------ Your Civilian Gatling Railgun perfectly strikes Choke Slam [CAIN], wrecking for 6.0 damage.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2005.11.25 05:48:00 - [55] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Avon This thread has been derailed by order of the [23] (soon to be [22]). Please do not attempt to bring it back on topic. Thank you for your co-operation. >< Guess what that is, it's me playing the smallest violin in the world for you. Just quit the game if you're leaving, and stop being such a troll. You've given your reasons, we all know, alot of people don't care. Is this last bit of attention that important to you? Its been rather fun tormenting him if I do say so myself, and you seem quite eager to take up the torch, so I'll step aside.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2005.11.25 05:52:00 - [56] I don't want anything to do with him, it's just so damn annoying to see how he's started acting ever since the 4S name incident. ------------------------------------ Your Civilian Gatling Railgun perfectly strikes Choke Slam [CAIN], wrecking for 6.0 damage.
Biggie Rawls	Posted - 2005.11.25 06:33:00 - [57] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Okay, seriously, stop talking about f***ing macrominers, CCP knows, we all know, so stop the madness... /signed
THE NEGRONOID	Posted - 2005.11.25 07:23:00 - [58] Originally by: Biggie Rawls Originally by: Derovius Vaden Okay, seriously, stop talking about f*ing macrominers, CCP knows, we all know, so stop the madness... /signed dnt u step on da b.i.g.s name u ***a
Saeris Tal'Urduar	Posted - 2005.11.25 07:29:00 - [59] Edited by: Saeris Tal''Urduar on 25/11/2005 07:31:59 Originally by: Avon Two blonds walking through the country... "Look, sheep tracks" 'No, thems cow tracks' "Sheep tracks!" 'Cow tracks!' "Sheeps!" 'Cows!!!' "Shee.." They were still arguing about it when the train hit them. Yeah I got a better one. A blonde is driving down the road when she see another blonde in the middle of a wheat field in a row boat and with a fishing rod, casting and reeling it back in. The first blonde yells out to the other blonde and says "What are you doing?" And the other says "Fishing, whats it look like I'm doing you stupid blonde!" The blonde by the side of the road starts fumming and pacing back and forth. She then yells, "You know its blondes like you that give blondes like me a bad name! And if I knew how to swim I'd kick your ass!"
Caztra Tor	Posted - 2005.11.25 12:03:00 - [60] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Caztra Tor I think that allowing the sale of isk and mods etc. actually improves the game. I believe it levels the playing field between casual and power gamers. Also, the added economic benefits to the players can make it profitable to play eve. I think they should lift the restrictions in respect to this type of activity. my 2 cents I think you're insane and as clueless as the people who think that having some extra RL to burn on timecards makes it ok to jump ahead in the game. I think your a moron and don't realize that Skills and actual individual skill control more than what you have in your pocket. Eve is just as forgiving as you -- i.e. not much. The depth of your analysis intrigues me -- did you come up with that before or after picking your nose?

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