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Chris Winter
Zephyr Corp
V.A.S.T.
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Posted - 2013.06.26 01:18:00 -
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More likely they just store the time of your last two jumps and compare it when you try to jump through. Far simpler than actually running a timer.
Svodola Darkfury wrote:Blodhgarm Dethahal wrote:http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Wormholes#Polarization
"If you jump the same wormhole twice within 5 minutes, you are polarised and cannot jump that wormhole any more until 5 minutes after the initial jump." 5 minutes per side as well. This means in rare cases you can be clear on one side of a wormhole but when you try to jump back you'll have a timer on the other side. Example: you jump through a B274 and wait 3 minutes. Then you jump back through the K162 (starting a new timer) and wait 2 minutes. Now your original 5 minute timer is clear, so you jump back through the B274, but you are still timered approximately 3 minutes on the K162 side. 1) -> B274 (B274 timer started) 2) 3 minutes 3) -> K162 back into the wormhole (K162 timer started) 4) 2 minutes 5) -> B274 (B274 new 5 min timer) 6) -|> try to jump K162 again, but ~3 minutes remaining. Svo.
It's not "per side." It's for the wormhole itself. In step 6, you have transited the wormhole twice in the last five minutes, so you have a timer. Your mistake was thinking you have a new timer in step 5, when it's really the same timer that "rolls." |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics
K162
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Posted - 2013.06.26 02:27:00 -
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Chris Winter wrote:More likely they just store the time of your last two jumps and compare it when you try to jump through. Far simpler than actually running a timer. Svodola Darkfury wrote:Blodhgarm Dethahal wrote:http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Wormholes#Polarization
"If you jump the same wormhole twice within 5 minutes, you are polarised and cannot jump that wormhole any more until 5 minutes after the initial jump." 5 minutes per side as well. This means in rare cases you can be clear on one side of a wormhole but when you try to jump back you'll have a timer on the other side. Example: you jump through a B274 and wait 3 minutes. Then you jump back through the K162 (starting a new timer) and wait 2 minutes. Now your original 5 minute timer is clear, so you jump back through the B274, but you are still timered approximately 3 minutes on the K162 side. 1) -> B274 (B274 timer started) 2) 3 minutes 3) -> K162 back into the wormhole (K162 timer started) 4) 2 minutes 5) -> B274 (B274 new 5 min timer) 6) -|> try to jump K162 again, but ~3 minutes remaining. Svo. It's not "per side." It's for the wormhole itself. In step 6, you have transited the wormhole twice in the last five minutes, so you have a timer. Your mistake was thinking you have a new timer in step 5, when it's really the same timer that "rolls."
im about 98.3% sure this is wrong.
will check when I get home though.
EDIT:
it actually only makes a difference if you can get into the same WH through a different entry within 5min which is fairly difficult.
If youre just jumping back and forth through a single hole your timers will be the same either way.
if you have a c2 with 2 HS exits that happen to be 1 jump apart.
jump out HSa
reenter c2 through HSb
go to jump out HSa again
do you now have a timer?
id be willing to bet you do.
but if youre right about it being a twice in 5 min per wh timer then you would not have a timer. |
Svodola Darkfury
Heaven's End
League of Infamy
203
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Posted - 2013.06.26 07:42:00 -
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Chris Winter wrote:
It's not "per side." It's for the wormhole itself. In step 6, you have transited the wormhole twice in the last five minutes, so you have a timer. Your mistake was thinking you have a new timer in step 5, when it's really the same timer that "rolls."
This is quite possibly true. It could be a conceptualization error on my part. But like Jack is talking about with Triangulation, I think I'd still have the timer on the other side. I'm not entirely sure I explained it properly in my steps either.
When i try to jump back through the K162 side, I've got a 3 minute timer. If I jump through immediately at those 3 minutes, I have a 2 minute timer on the other side. I'm PRETTY sure that's accurate, but I haven't tested it RECENTLY and now you're making me feel not confident. :p
Svo.
CEO of Heaven's End; Seller of Wormholes. |
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
Mass Overload
1378
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Posted - 2013.06.26 08:35:00 -
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The simplest way to state it is:
You cannot pass through the same wormhole connection more than two times in the same five minute period.
That's it. Every time you successfully jump a wormhole, that five minute period starts recounting from the new next-to-last jump that you made.
http://www.wormholes.info |
Chris Winter
Zephyr Corp
V.A.S.T.
150
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Posted - 2013.06.26 09:29:00 -
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Svodola Darkfury wrote:Chris Winter wrote:
It's not "per side." It's for the wormhole itself. In step 6, you have transited the wormhole twice in the last five minutes, so you have a timer. Your mistake was thinking you have a new timer in step 5, when it's really the same timer that "rolls."
This is quite possibly true. It could be a conceptualization error on my part. But like Jack is talking about with Triangulation, I think I'd still have the timer on the other side. I'm not entirely sure I explained it properly in my steps either. When i try to jump back through the K162 side, I've got a 3 minute timer. If I jump through immediately at those 3 minutes, I have a 2 minute timer on the other side. I'm PRETTY sure that's accurate, but I haven't tested it RECENTLY and now you're making me feel not confident. :p Svo.
It's not that you have a "2 minute timer on the other side," it's that you now have 2 minutes left until you won't have passed through more than twice in the last five minutes.
Basically, what Mr Jameson said. |
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
Mass Overload
1378
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Posted - 2013.06.26 10:56:00 -
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Chris Winter wrote:Basically, what Mr Jameson said.
THE GREAT AND POWERFUL OZ HAS SPOKEN
http://www.wormholes.info |
Ashimat
Clandestine Services
102
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Posted - 2013.06.26 11:10:00 -
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Nebu Retski wrote:Jack Miton wrote:your timer will be 4m30s odd. certainly more than 4min. Interesting. I haven't measured the time, but if it's around 4m30s then I supose CCP is simply using an 8-bit counter that increments by 1 every second. That gives you 256s in total or about 4m27s and automatically overflows back to 0 after 4m27s.
roflol, how old are you? 8-bit counters? jeez.
http://rnat-postmortem.blogspot.se |
Euthanasia Anneto
Embers Children
TOHA Conglomerate
11
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Posted - 2013.06.27 05:58:00 -
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It's 5 indeed to what most are telling.
When cycling a sh!thole I jump, wait timer and jump back and re-jump after 4 minutes as my times are always correct on that..
Start calculating: Add in the time you first jump (2-3'ish seconds), few secs loading, 20 secs wait timer, approach-unloak 2~5 secs, and jump 2~3 secs few secs loading and warp off and return on the wh 4 mins later you can clearly start jumping forth and back.
Don't ask me what the exact times but counting all up, you're clearly on 5 minutes and so a Orca can cycle a 2bn WH in exactly 20mins. During those 20minutes it's the most fun part of the game. Thinking who'll be tackling and dropping that Orca |
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