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destiny2
Abh Academy
Abh Alliance
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Posted - 2013.06.25 00:57:00 -
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So was playing with eft, and browseing fits over the new navy battlecruisers, and they dont seem all to great,
altho other players may have different views on them, fits they use.
if any of you have fits you use for them that work please share  |
DRGaius Baltar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2013.06.25 01:17:00 -
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Fact of the troll is we are paying 300mil+ for the old hurricane..... CCP Working as intended since '03 |
Erok Careynah
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
4
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Posted - 2013.06.25 01:20:00 -
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Compared to many of the faction cruisers, the new Navy BC's are trash. I don't see many people flying them. You may aswell fly a Battleship for that kind of ISK.
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destiny2
Abh Academy
Abh Alliance
134
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Posted - 2013.06.25 01:21:00 -
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DRGaius Baltar wrote:Fact of the troll is we are paying 300mil+ for the old hurricane..... CCP Working as intended since '03
indeed and the new drake is pretty horrible. same with harbinger, only one that seem'd to show promise was the navy brutix. |
Erok Careynah
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
4
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Posted - 2013.06.25 01:23:00 -
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destiny2 wrote:DRGaius Baltar wrote:Fact of the troll is we are paying 300mil+ for the old hurricane..... CCP Working as intended since '03 indeed and the new drake is pretty horrible. same with harbinger, only one that seem'd to show promise was the navy brutix.
We shouldn't forget that the camo textures look absolutely horrible on the Drake and the Hurricane's camo is so vague you can't even really notice a difference. If they looked cooler, people might actually fly them, but I'd argue that the Navy Drake looks worse than the standard Drake and the Hurricane doesn't even have a noticeable difference.
I don't know about you but I would pay 300mil to fly a matte black Hurricane. |
Erok Careynah
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
4
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Posted - 2013.06.25 01:25:00 -
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Erok Careynah wrote:destiny2 wrote:DRGaius Baltar wrote:Fact of the troll is we are paying 300mil+ for the old hurricane..... CCP Working as intended since '03 indeed and the new drake is pretty horrible. same with harbinger, only one that seem'd to show promise was the navy brutix. We shouldn't forget that the camo textures look absolutely horrible on the Drake and the Hurricane's camo is so vague you can't even really notice a difference. If they looked cooler, people might actually fly them, but I'd argue that the Navy Drake looks worse than the standard Drake and the Hurricane doesn't even have a noticeable difference. I don't know about you but I would pay 300mil to fly a matte black Hurricane.
Harbinger looks okay, I guess, but personally I would've chosen a different color scheme. Maybe white/maroon like some of the other Amarr ships. |
destiny2
Abh Academy
Abh Alliance
134
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Posted - 2013.06.25 01:31:00 -
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their sure not worth their selling price can picture them in the 80 mill area. but not the hundreds of million. |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
888
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Posted - 2013.06.25 01:39:00 -
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destiny2 wrote:their sure not worth their selling price can picture them in the 80 mill area. but not the hundreds of million.
Even 80M it's not worth the buck.
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ACE McFACE
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve
1366
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Posted - 2013.06.25 01:54:00 -
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A nice thing about the Navy Harbinger is you can actually fit a very good shield tank (considering its an armour tanking ship) then have great dps, great damage projection and good speed.
I have to agree though, the Navy Hurricane is pretty much the pre-nerf Hurricane, the description even tells you that.
You should be notified if someone quotes your post so you can continue the argument! |
Joelleaveek
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
229
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Posted - 2013.06.25 01:56:00 -
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They all have more HP, are more agile, and are faster. The Nbrutix Ndrake and Nharbi all have bonuses for better damage application while the fcane is really just a straight upgrade and they all have an extra slot. The Nharbi can fit a near battleship tank and the ndrake has the advantage of working with any damage type (while not better at kinetic damage then the T1).
I agree the price increase doesn't seen worth it, but they are a pretty good upgrade imo.
They also all have fantastic skins. |
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Ruze
Next Stage Initiative
Trans-Stellar Industries
419
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Posted - 2013.06.25 02:15:00 -
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It's possible that CCP will adjust the price in the future, if these aren't seeing enough use.
That said, the real win on this will be when the cost of T2 starts to drift up as the ship overstock is steadily used up. I believe we'll see more and more navy ships, BC's and otherwise, being used in large scale fights.
Of course, the more the ship is used, the higher it's price will be, as this means that the LP rewards are more valuable. Shame how that works.
If you're driven to threaten others with harm or violence because of what they do in game, you can't separate fantasy from reality. That "griefer/thief" is probably more sane than you are. How screwed up is that? |
destiny2
Abh Academy
Abh Alliance
134
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Posted - 2013.06.25 02:33:00 -
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Joelleaveek wrote:They all have more HP, are more agile, and are faster. The Nbrutix Ndrake and Nharbi all have bonuses for better damage application while the fcane is really just a straight upgrade and they all have an extra slot. The Nharbi can fit a near battleship tank and the ndrake has the advantage of working with any damage type (while not better at kinetic damage then the T1).
I agree the price increase doesn't seen worth it, but they are a pretty good upgrade imo.
They also all have fantastic skins.
ahem standard drake with 6 T2 heavy missile launchers t2 light hob II's and 3 Ballistic controls out dps's the navy drake by 46 dps,
the navy drake may get 8 launchers, but the reg drake usually out dps's it. for 3 quarters the price.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4304
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Posted - 2013.06.25 03:05:00 -
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destiny2 wrote:Joelleaveek wrote:They all have more HP, are more agile, and are faster. The Nbrutix Ndrake and Nharbi all have bonuses for better damage application while the fcane is really just a straight upgrade and they all have an extra slot. The Nharbi can fit a near battleship tank and the ndrake has the advantage of working with any damage type (while not better at kinetic damage then the T1).
I agree the price increase doesn't seen worth it, but they are a pretty good upgrade imo.
They also all have fantastic skins. ahem standard drake with 6 T2 heavy missile launchers t2 light hob II's and 3 Ballistic controls out dps's the navy drake by 46 dps, the navy drake may get 8 launchers, but the reg drake usually out dps's it. for 3 quarters the price.
You gain fully selectable damage, flexibility, and speed.
Not my cup of tea, but there are a lot of people willing to sacrifice the money and the 46dps for the ability to stay out of range better and more importantly freely pick their damage type.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Gealbhan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
302
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Posted - 2013.06.25 03:21:00 -
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The Navy BC's are like putting a $3,000 stereo system in a car you paid $800 for. Just. Why.  |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
276
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Posted - 2013.06.25 03:43:00 -
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Erok Careynah wrote:We shouldn't forget that the camo textures look absolutely horrible on the Drake
Note to the art department: digital cammo on a ship that already has the appearance of 3D digital cammo does not fit.
The price and looks, to me, doesn't justify getting that ship. Regular Drake is around 50mil and almost anyone can build it with but a couple hours of mining.
It's ease to obtain, good tank, decent firepower and one of least weird looking Caldari ship designs makes the Drake popular...not some cammo or a couple extra launchers (you could have 3 regular Drakes for the price of one naval Drake...220mil more for 3 extra launchers and 3k shield? Heck, no just fly a battleship then and do more DPS and have ungodly EHP).
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Fenix Caderu
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.25 03:45:00 -
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I'll probably trade in the navy drake for a BS, but after trying it out I think I see some uses for it (pvp)...
With max skills and HAMs, maybe some rigor rigs, you can get the radius down to around 50m. 475dps with faction ammo, just launchers. This should work well against drones, or anything small...anti-drone ship?
Max skills and HMLs, maybe some range rigs, can get over 100k range and the missiles do over 9k m/s. Anti-inty, anti-stealth bomber maybe?
Less DPS, but selectable damage and more range, which helped a lot in PVE. But yeah, a bit pricey unless you have some special use for it I guess. |
Aliventi
Burning Napalm
Northern Coalition.
124
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Posted - 2013.06.25 03:46:00 -
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If you are a competent PvPer you can clearly see the draw of the Navy BCs. They provide some very attractive bonuses, especially for those that solo. And the price will lower to around 150 mil or so. Give it time. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
296
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Posted - 2013.06.25 03:48:00 -
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Quote:220mil more for 3 extra launchers and 3k shield?
But that's not what you're paying for. You're paying for almost the same number of effective turrets with any damage type, something a Drake typically struggles with.
Basically you're paying that much to be able to mission worth a damn against something besides Guristas and Serpentis.
Besides, if people can afford it, and find it worth the cost, then so what? Use what you feel is most appropriate. Time and the market will tell.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Anderson Footman
Eridanus Industries
10
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Posted - 2013.06.25 07:25:00 -
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It seems underhanded to add a new ship, and then outright state that it is the old ship, while replacing the original ship with a watered down version. Why did pre-existing hurricanes suffer a downgrade if they're the same ship? It makes no sense at all.
The Navy Issue Drake brings nothing new to the table, and only a slight change in it's capabilities, making it more suited for destroying frigates. This does not justify the price of it, though. I am not inclined whatsoever to use a Navy Issue Drake over a normal Drake. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family
The Retirement Club
15
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Posted - 2013.06.25 13:34:00 -
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The normal drake will only outdamage the navy drake in a tiny set of circumstances.
1. The target has a very large sig radius.
2. The target has kinetic as its lowest resist.
Feel free to point at all the current doctrine ships where these 2 hold.
EFT numbers and actual damage application are very different things.
This isn't even the first thread on this topic. It has been asked and answered over and over again.
The Navy versions have FAR better damage application than the standard versions especially against smaller/faster targets.
Typically they have higher EHP, velocity etc as well.
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Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices
Petition Blizzard
447
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Posted - 2013.06.25 14:43:00 -
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Ruze wrote:It's possible that CCP will adjust the price in the future, if these aren't seeing enough use.
CCP dont set the price
Tell The Others |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
5307
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Posted - 2013.06.25 14:49:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Ruze wrote:It's possible that CCP will adjust the price in the future, if these aren't seeing enough use.
CCP dont set the price
They control most of the variables, that determine the price on the market, so it seem ridiculous to pretend they can't adjust the price. |
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
181
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Posted - 2013.06.25 15:25:00 -
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Did anyone else read the subject as 'New Baby Battlecruisers'?
Or am I just having one of those days...
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destiny2
Abh Academy
Abh Alliance
136
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Posted - 2013.06.25 16:40:00 -
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Anderson Footman wrote:It seems underhanded to add a new ship, and then outright state that it is the old ship, while replacing the original ship with a watered down version. Why did pre-existing hurricanes suffer a downgrade if they're the same ship? It makes no sense at all.
The Navy Issue Drake brings nothing new to the table, and only a slight change in it's capabilities, making it more suited for destroying frigates. This does not justify the price of it, though. I am not inclined whatsoever to use a Navy Issue Drake over a normal Drake.
as far as im aware, a destroyer, does a better job at killing frigs then any Battlecruiser. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4306
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Posted - 2013.06.25 17:00:00 -
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destiny2 wrote:Anderson Footman wrote:It seems underhanded to add a new ship, and then outright state that it is the old ship, while replacing the original ship with a watered down version. Why did pre-existing hurricanes suffer a downgrade if they're the same ship? It makes no sense at all.
The Navy Issue Drake brings nothing new to the table, and only a slight change in it's capabilities, making it more suited for destroying frigates. This does not justify the price of it, though. I am not inclined whatsoever to use a Navy Issue Drake over a normal Drake. as far as im aware, a destroyer, does a better job at killing frigs then any Battlecruiser.
The old Hurricane was very, very over powered in comparison with others BC's in it's category and price range.
The Navy Hurricane, while very similar to the old, is actually an improvement over the old one in several ways.
The Navy Drake is designed to use different tactics, similar to the old Cavalry setups we used to see. It is used in a much different way than the normal Drake. Improved capabilities versus smaller/faster craft is very helpful in this regard, and bonuses towards all damage types is a long requested capability.
Lastly, comparing the capabilities of a destroyer in the mix is just a bit silly. How many destroyers do you think would die before they brought a Navy Drake down. 
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
destiny2
Abh Academy
Abh Alliance
136
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Posted - 2013.06.25 17:06:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:destiny2 wrote:Anderson Footman wrote:It seems underhanded to add a new ship, and then outright state that it is the old ship, while replacing the original ship with a watered down version. Why did pre-existing hurricanes suffer a downgrade if they're the same ship? It makes no sense at all.
The Navy Issue Drake brings nothing new to the table, and only a slight change in it's capabilities, making it more suited for destroying frigates. This does not justify the price of it, though. I am not inclined whatsoever to use a Navy Issue Drake over a normal Drake. as far as im aware, a destroyer, does a better job at killing frigs then any Battlecruiser. The old Hurricane was very, very over powered in comparison with others BC's in it's category and price range. The Navy Hurricane, while very similar to the old, is actually an improvement over the old one in several ways. The Navy Drake is designed to use different tactics, similar to the old Cavalry setups we used to see. It is used in a much different way than the normal Drake. Improved capabilities versus smaller/faster craft is very helpful in this regard, and bonuses towards all damage types is a long requested capability. Lastly, comparing the capabilities of a destroyer in the mix is just a bit silly. How many destroyers do you think would die before they brought a Navy Drake down.
it depends really it wouldnt be the first time ive seen destroyers or even frigs take down a ship 5x their size. you put a noob ina navy drake any experianced pilot could beat it.
heck ive seen purifiers kill tengu's loki's and legions before so it actually isnt hard to do so lol.
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
453
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Posted - 2013.06.25 17:06:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Lastly, comparing the capabilities of a destroyer in the mix is just a bit silly. How many destroyers do you think would die before they brought a Navy Drake down.
Don't inject logic. I was enjoying watching him embarrass himself.
Also, ITT: Many poor people who don't understand how prices work.
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Rage MorbidCloud
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.06.25 17:12:00 -
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stop buying them so the prices will go down if you think they are overpriced
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4306
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Posted - 2013.06.25 17:23:00 -
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destiny2 wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:destiny2 wrote:Anderson Footman wrote:It seems underhanded to add a new ship, and then outright state that it is the old ship, while replacing the original ship with a watered down version. Why did pre-existing hurricanes suffer a downgrade if they're the same ship? It makes no sense at all.
The Navy Issue Drake brings nothing new to the table, and only a slight change in it's capabilities, making it more suited for destroying frigates. This does not justify the price of it, though. I am not inclined whatsoever to use a Navy Issue Drake over a normal Drake. as far as im aware, a destroyer, does a better job at killing frigs then any Battlecruiser. The old Hurricane was very, very over powered in comparison with others BC's in it's category and price range. The Navy Hurricane, while very similar to the old, is actually an improvement over the old one in several ways. The Navy Drake is designed to use different tactics, similar to the old Cavalry setups we used to see. It is used in a much different way than the normal Drake. Improved capabilities versus smaller/faster craft is very helpful in this regard, and bonuses towards all damage types is a long requested capability. Lastly, comparing the capabilities of a destroyer in the mix is just a bit silly. How many destroyers do you think would die before they brought a Navy Drake down. it depends really it wouldnt be the first time ive seen destroyers or even frigs take down a ship 5x their size. you put a noob ina navy drake any experianced pilot could beat it. heck ive seen purifiers kill tengu's loki's and legions before so it actually isnt hard to do so lol.
Always a possiblity, this being EvE and all. Point taken, but I was speaking in generalities.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Anderson Footman
Eridanus Industries
10
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Posted - 2013.06.25 17:51:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Lastly, comparing the capabilities of a destroyer in the mix is just a bit silly. How many destroyers do you think would die before they brought a Navy Drake down. Don't inject logic. I was enjoying watching him embarrass himself. Also, ITT: Many poor people who don't understand how prices work.
I understand exactly how prices work. The performance offered by the Navy Issue Drake, in my opinion, simply does not match the price tag set by the free market. |
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