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RAW23
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Posted - 2013.06.25 10:34:00 -
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sounds like fun
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RAW23
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Posted - 2013.06.25 11:45:00 -
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I'll be quite surprised if CCP let this stand. I've seen no evidence to suggest that character transfer scams are only forbidden in the character bazaar. Indeed the FAQ in account management suggests that they treat it very seriously in all cases. I'm also not at all convinced that CCP will buy the line that this was not actually a character sale because the OP only asked for enough isk for the transfer. He still required isk in exchange for the character and I don't think CCP are stupid enough to fall for the claim that saying 'this isk is only to facilitate the transfer' is any different from selling the character for 1.1bil.
There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
RAW23
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Posted - 2013.06.25 11:51:00 -
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Az Tek wrote:RAW23 wrote:I'll be quite surprised if CCP let this stand. I've seen no evidence to suggest that character transfer scams are only forbidden in the character bazaar. Indeed the FAQ in account management suggests that they treat it very seriously in all cases. I'm also not at all convinced that CCP will buy the line that this was not actually a character sale because the OP only asked for enough isk for the transfer. He still required isk in exchange for the character and I don't think CCP are stupid enough to fall for the claim that saying 'this isk is only to facilitate the transfer' is any different from selling the character for 1.1bil. This is the 4th time i've done this..
Interesting. Has anyone petitioned it before? The statement that "Character scamming in any form is not allowed" seems pretty definitive.
There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
RAW23
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Posted - 2013.06.25 11:52:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:RAW23 wrote:I'll be quite surprised if CCP let this stand. I've seen no evidence to suggest that character transfer scams are only forbidden in the character bazaar. Indeed the FAQ in account management suggests that they treat it very seriously in all cases. I'm also not at all convinced that CCP will buy the line that this was not actually a character sale because the OP only asked for enough isk for the transfer. He still required isk in exchange for the character and I don't think CCP are stupid enough to fall for the claim that saying 'this isk is only to facilitate the transfer' is any different from selling the character for 1.1bil. Quote:There are new Rules for trading characters for isk.
*** Character scamming in any form is not allowed. *** http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=552381 But he wasn't selling the character. He was giving it away and thus, it is not a considered a scam as such.
He asked for isk in exchange for the character. Claiming that it was not really a trade of a character for isk seems pretty implausible.
There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
RAW23
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Posted - 2013.06.25 11:58:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:
No, he asked for donations so he "could perform the transfer":
do-+na-+tion
/d+ì-ên-üSH+Ön/
Making the transfer conditional on a "donation" doesn't seem any different to making it conditional on paying a price. It's a nice attempt and, knowing CCP's inconsistencies, he might get away with it but it's the kind of logic that doesn't really stand up to scrutiny.
There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
RAW23
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Posted - 2013.06.25 12:20:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:RAW23 wrote:Alpheias wrote:
No, he asked for donations so he "could perform the transfer":
do-+na-+tion
/d+ì-ên-üSH+Ön/
Making the transfer conditional on a "donation" doesn't seem any different to making it conditional on paying a price. It's a nice attempt and, knowing CCP's inconsistencies, he might get away with it but it's the kind of logic that doesn't really stand up to scrutiny. He specifically said he did not have the isk for the transfer, which implied that he had given it away. That people bought into it because of greed (HEY! FREE CHARACTER!) and donated isk to cover for the transfer.. well, yeah. Just proves that people go full stupid. Whose scrutiny are we talking about? That you are trying to project your morality and ethics in this thread is obvious.
It has nothing to do with morality or ethics. Scamming is allowed in eve but character transfer scams are not. It's a rules thing not an ethics thing. And the scrutiny I'm talking about is simple logical scrutiny. What you are doing is identifying a distinction without a difference. He didn't *ask* for a donation, he made it a mandatory condition of the transfer. Saying 'I will only transfer this character to you if you give me x isk' is functionally identical whether you label the isk transfer a purchase or a donation. You could label it a Gruffalo and it wouldn't change what it actually is - a transaction involving the trade of isk for the character. Obviously, the label thing is not something that any authority would buy in real life (you can't avoid sales tax by calling the mandatory transfer of cash a donation instead of a purchase). CCP, on the other hand, may buy it but they would be rather silly to be persuaded by this kind of rhetorical move.
There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
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Posted - 2013.06.25 12:26:00 -
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Az Tek wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:How much did she give you, Az? only 2 plexs to the rest of it READ my posts. I said all fes are considered donations.
How you consider them isn't really the issue though.
There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
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Posted - 2013.06.25 12:27:00 -
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Az Tek wrote:Can you not just enjoy this man? Do you have to question the eve gods plan?
This is my enjoyment 
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Posted - 2013.06.25 12:35:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:people basically handed him free isk, thinking that they would get something in return
If you think you are getting something in return, that's not a free donation of isk. It is a transaction.
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Posted - 2013.06.25 12:55:00 -
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Az Tek wrote:RAW23 wrote:Alpheias wrote:people basically handed him free isk, thinking that they would get something in return If you think you are getting something in return, that's not a free donation of isk. It is a transaction. Let me fix this. I was sure to watch NOT to put it all in the same messge. I am giving away my toon for free you will pay for transfer (THIS IS ASSUMING YOU 'WIN' IT) however any transfer fee is a donation.
You may have said this but:
a) according to CCP's character transfer rules only the person who owns the character can pay the transfer fee. Whether or not you say that the other person will is irrelevant; CCP's rules are clear that it is YOU who will pay the fee.
b) asking for isk so that YOU can afford to pay YOUR fee is asking for isk FOR YOU.
c) whether you say the isk you receive is a donation, a loan, or a purchase really makes no difference. These are just the words you choose to describe it and your descriptions do not determine reality. It's up to CCP to determine what those words actually mean. They, apparently, have good reasons for banning character transfer scams. I would be somewhat surprised if those good reasons do not apply in any case where the seller says the character is free but requires a fixed donation (i.e. is not actually free at all).
There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
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