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Jyotmimana Karana
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Posted - 2009.04.23 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Mitnal We are in the process of moving many of our guides to the EVE Wiki.
We encourage anyone in the RP community that want to keep this discussion going to port the information to the Wiki.
Please contact the community team, either in this thread, in the email link in my sig or via petition in Other-Forums if you are willing to take this up.
I believe this is the reason this thread is no longer sticky.
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.04.24 01:32:00 -
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For goodness sake re-sticky this. This thread NEEDS to be here not hidden away somewhere else. How are we meant to encourage RP in Eve if people can't find any info on Eve RP in the one single official place we an RP?
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Dex Nederland
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2009.04.24 04:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jyotmimana Karana
Originally by: CCP Mitnal We are in the process of moving many of our guides to the EVE Wiki.
We encourage anyone in the RP community that want to keep this discussion going to port the information to the Wiki.
Please contact the community team, either in this thread, in the email link in my sig or via petition in Other-Forums if you are willing to take this up.
I believe this is the reason this thread is no longer sticky.
Does that mean they are going to sticky a link to a Roleplay guide? Or everytime someone waltz's in talks about mythical Earth and the way things worked in the good old US of A are we going to have to link to it?
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Grr
Amarr Epitoth Guard Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.24 04:16:00 -
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Originally by: Heartstone For goodness sake re-sticky this. This thread NEEDS to be here not hidden away somewhere else. How are we meant to encourage RP in Eve if people can't find any info on Eve RP in the one single official place we an RP?
Very rare when this happens but 100% in support of this statement from Heartsone ;) Please resticky. |
Dame Death
Minmatar The Black Rabbits Academy The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.04.24 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Grr
Originally by: Heartstone For goodness sake re-sticky this. This thread NEEDS to be here not hidden away somewhere else. How are we meant to encourage RP in Eve if people can't find any info on Eve RP in the one single official place we an RP?
Very rare when this happens but 100% in support of this statement from Heartsone ;) Please resticky.
Even rarer is me agreeing with Grr ffs resticky
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Kathryn Dougans
Amarr Imperial Crusade Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.04.24 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu unstickied
i think patches have a tendency to unsticky threads for some reason.
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Melichor Duraldi
Gallente Fourth Circle Total Comfort
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Posted - 2009.04.25 00:38:00 -
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Bumping for great justice
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Yishal
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2009.04.25 12:37:00 -
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Ceiling Ghost demands resticky!
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Anabella Rella
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.04.26 02:13:00 -
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So that others may know the truth and bask in the glow of enlightenment....bumped. |
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CCP Mitnal
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Posted - 2009.04.26 19:57:00 -
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The thread will not be restickied, as stated we are actively looking to move all long term stickies onto the wiki where they are better catered for.
Once the new guide is available, I will link to it in the resources thread.
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.04.26 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Mitnal The thread will not be restickied, as stated we are actively looking to move all long term stickies onto the wiki where they are better catered for.
Once the new guide is available, I will link to it in the resources thread.
What utter rubbish. Better catered for by being in a completely separate place disconnecting it from the main body? Some people.
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Evanda Char
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.04.26 21:56:00 -
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What if we were to distil out the key points of this thread into a set of "rules" for RP ("Rules" is a horrible word for anything to do with RP; maybe I mean "guidelines" or "sensible suggestions") that could be a single sticky post, so we don't get a pile of posts we really can't RP with?
This would be my attempt at such a thing, picking up on some of the most awkward things I've dealt with, RP-wise, in my time:
- In Character - All posts in this section are made "in character" (IC) i.e. they are written as if you actually are the character that you play. Anything about your real life is "out of character" (OOC) and belongs elsewhere.
- Posts To The IGS Are Posts To The IGS - This is the Intergalactic Summit. This is where people post about stuff that has happened in game. Stuff does not actually happen here.
- One Person Is Not Two People - Your alt is not you. They are someone else. Same goes for everyone's alts.
- Be Human - Your main character is a "pod pilot" or "capsuleer" - a human equipped with implants and equipment that make it possible to fly a spaceship controlled from within a "pod" or "capsule." While you may claim to be something else, chances of anyone believing you are slim.
- What Earth? - Prime Fiction (the definitive statement from CCP of "what is" in the Eve universe) states that Earth was a long time ago and mostly remembered as a myth if at all. Avoid references to earth, history and the present day; keep the focus on sci-fi RP in the Eve setting.
- You Have A Crew - Prime Fiction says so. When anything bigger than a frigate blows up, they die. You can claim otherwise, but it isn't true.
- What Happens In-Game, Happens - You can't do something in game OOC, though you could do it for OOC reasons (e.g. to have fun) that are quite different to your IC reasons (e.g. because it is a dirty job but somebody has to do it). But if your character does something in game, people can see them and it becomes part of their RP and out of your hands.
- Play Your Own Character Only - You can't tell someone else what their character thinks, does, did or did not do before-hand, either explicitly or by omission. If you want to do something to someone else through RP that isn't covered by Eve game mechanics, you will have to agree what is or is not possible. You can throw a punch, but only the other player can agree to be hit.
- Keep OOC and IC Separate - What a character feels is not necessarily what the player feels. Don't react OOC to what is said IC. Likewise, do not disrupt RP with OOC information - people come here to roleplay and it is unfair to drop your real life on them. Put OOC in OOC forum sections and you'll save a lot of grief.
Anyone else want to have a try either at editing mine, or creating their own? -Eva-
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CCP Mitnal
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Posted - 2009.04.27 04:39:00 -
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Sure, if you come up with a list of rules, I'll add that to the resource list too.
Stickies should be a temporary measure only, if it is going to be long term, it should be moved to the EVElopedia and it will be linked to on the forums.
We notified the forum in February about the changes, since then no one has come forward to take on the responsibility of moving this to the wiki.
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Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari Stillwater Corporation
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Posted - 2009.04.27 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Mitnal Stickies should be a temporary measure only, if it is going to be long term, it should be moved to the EVElopedia and it will be linked to on the forums.
We notified the forum in February about the changes, since then no one has come forward to take on the responsibility of moving this to the wiki.
This is all well and good, but what exactly is needed on the wiki from this? A lot of what has been said here can be distilled into a nice little stub article, but will that really add anything to the forum?
What of this thread itself? Will it be buried with no one to read it, linked to the wiki with the last few pages reading "bump for a righteous cause" and the like? Yeah, it was mentioned that this would be "moved to the wiki" in whatever form, but some direction and guidance as to what should be there would be nice.
I'm not saying this is a bad thing, but to let this linger around on the IC forum without being IC or stickied seems kind of odd to me. At least moving this to another forum (say, EVE Fiction) would keep it from breaking whatever immersion there is on this forum, as well as keeping it "within reach" to be linked to in the interim between now and a page (or three or four) on the wiki can be set up.
Sure, it might be a bit of a task to get this moved, to write a little about what CCP (or at leas the community team) would like to see, but compared to what's being asked (wading through a topic and a few other forums to get an article about "How Not to Sound Like a Madman", or more appropriately "Role Playing in EVE (Guide)" for a wiki article), I don't think it's that much.
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.04.27 11:22:00 -
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To add to what Nikilaiki has put here I think the problem mainly lies in the perception of this document. Unlike many sticky subjects in many of the forums this topic is not easily broken down into a list of right and wrong. Whilst there are certainly areas in which we can all agree as guided by the Prime Fiction the thrust of this document is effectively an evolving philosophical discussion on Roleplaying in Eve.
The question is really whether or not this ongoing discussion "deserves" a sticky. For those of us who have been around the roleplaying scene in Eve for a while I guess the answer would probably be "It's nice but we don't NEED it". For those who are new to Roleplaying in Eve and MMORPGs in general I believe having easy access to this discussion would be not only useful but almost essential to avoid the pitfalls that people have identified and dealt with before.
It is no exaggeration to say that the Roleplaying community in Eve can, occasionally, be quite hostile and having this document in place at the top of the page I think makes things much easier for the newer player.
I would ask that this document be considered in the light of what it is rather than an arbitrary rule which, in my opinion, doesn't take into account the occasional nature of document like this which is so dissimilar to the topic I believe the idea of the Wiki benefits.
Heartstone (RP Noob and in a better mood than yesterday)
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Invelious
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.04.27 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 23/04/2009 16:42:33 What idiot unstickied this. Do you have any idea what you've just done?
I'm sorry, I didnt mean too. I'll try to fix it, I promise
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CCP Mitnal
C C P
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Posted - 2009.04.27 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Originally by: CCP Mitnal Stickies should be a temporary measure only, if it is going to be long term, it should be moved to the EVElopedia and it will be linked to on the forums.
We notified the forum in February about the changes, since then no one has come forward to take on the responsibility of moving this to the wiki.
This is all well and good, but what exactly is needed on the wiki from this? A lot of what has been said here can be distilled into a nice little stub article, but will that really add anything to the forum?
What of this thread itself? Will it be buried with no one to read it, linked to the wiki with the last few pages reading "bump for a righteous cause" and the like? Yeah, it was mentioned that this would be "moved to the wiki" in whatever form, but some direction and guidance as to what should be there would be nice.
I'm not saying this is a bad thing, but to let this linger around on the IC forum without being IC or stickied seems kind of odd to me. At least moving this to another forum (say, EVE Fiction) would keep it from breaking whatever immersion there is on this forum, as well as keeping it "within reach" to be linked to in the interim between now and a page (or three or four) on the wiki can be set up.
Sure, it might be a bit of a task to get this moved, to write a little about what CCP (or at leas the community team) would like to see, but compared to what's being asked (wading through a topic and a few other forums to get an article about "How Not to Sound Like a Madman", or more appropriately "Role Playing in EVE (Guide)" for a wiki article), I don't think it's that much.
There are pages here where players discuss their views on ooc/character development. This is all well and good but could be done so privately - in game chats or EVE mails. I'd suggest scanning the thread for "rules" of conduct that have been agreed on such as Evanda Char's post.
This would make a nice stub as pointed out and can be added to with character discussion on a more personal level at the wiki.
The topic will be written by players, the expert RPers. The thread will then be removed as it will be superceded by the wiki. The wiki article will be linked to in the resource thread so new players will have two click access to it.
This is a resource for the players by the players.
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Evanda Char
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.04.27 19:27:00 -
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Edited by: Evanda Char on 27/04/2009 19:30:03
Okies, I've had a go at creating a wiki page at: http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Roleplay. Please everyone go and attack it with your most succinct and creative sticks.
As for the discussion in this thread, could we use the Talk page for that page to preserve the evolving discussion and continue it?
-Eva-
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.04.27 21:01:00 -
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Leaving my thoughts on the appropriateness of this idea aside and how much it would suck to loose this wonderful thread it looks good Evanda apart from one small issue:
Quote: You Have A Crew - Prime Fiction says so. When anything bigger than a frigate blows up, they die. You can claim otherwise, but it isn't true.
Latest Chron says otherwise: linky
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CCP Mitnal
C C P
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Posted - 2009.04.27 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Evanda Char Edited by: Evanda Char on 27/04/2009 19:30:03
Okies, I've had a go at creating a wiki page at: http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Roleplay. Please everyone go and attack it with your most succinct and creative sticks.
As for the discussion in this thread, could we use the Talk page for that page to preserve the evolving discussion and continue it?
Thank you for taking the initiative on this project.
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Evanda Char
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.04.27 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Heartstone Leaving my thoughts on the appropriateness of this idea aside and how much it would suck to loose this wonderful thread it looks good Evanda apart from one small issue:
Quote: You Have A Crew - Prime Fiction says so. When anything bigger than a frigate blows up, they die. You can claim otherwise, but it isn't true.
Latest Chron says otherwise: linky
Am I missing something? The chronicle appears to be a capsuleer punishing a traitor member of his crew for causing the deaths of all the other members, which ties in with "You Have A Crew." (also covered in Hands of a Killer, for reference)
-Eva-
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.04.27 21:41:00 -
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Edited by: Heartstone on 27/04/2009 21:41:35
Originally by: Evanda Char
Am I missing something? The chronicle appears to be a capsuleer punishing a traitor member of his crew for causing the deaths of all the other members, which ties in with "You Have A Crew." (also covered in Hands of a Killer, for reference)
Escape Pods =D.
You have Crew but they don't necessarily die.
Quote: Parien closed his eyes and leaned back on his cool, soft pillow, letting it swallow him. "The escape pods."
"The escape pods," Silat repeated after him, as if they'd had a minor epiphany. "Not my own capsule, Parien, not right away, though some people with a grudge against me took care of that two systems later. But for the ones on that ship - those six thousand people who worked with you, Parien - those pods didn't even last that long. Do you know how long they lasted, Parien?"
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Evanda Char
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.04.27 21:43:00 -
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Edited by: Evanda Char on 27/04/2009 21:45:26
Oh! You mean that they don't all necessarily die!
Yes, over-generalized, because I have the point in there in reaction to the largish number of people who I've heard say "Well, there's no crew on my ships so I can lose as many as I like and I don't have to feel guilty or sad. I am a 100% pure good guy with no blood on my hands and no grey areas."
Eve, to me, is a game of grey areas and the blood of your crews and the crews of others is one way to add a meaning to combat and to keep those hard choices hard. I shall clarify that point though.
Edit: Wiki now says: "You Have A Crew - Prime Fiction says so. When anything bigger than a frigate blows up, there's a risk some or all of them will die. You can claim otherwise, but it isn't true." -Eva-
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Evanda Char
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.04.27 22:24:00 -
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Awesome work on the Talk page Heartstone :) I'll help out with it tomorrow -Eva-
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Dame Death
Minmatar M. S. Radioactive Sheep Farm
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Posted - 2009.04.28 14:52:00 -
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Im stuck carebearing for a bit so ill copy from page 3 until i get bored and dont worry I'll spell check
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Amira Silvermist
The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2009.04.28 17:05:00 -
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Nicely done Evanda! ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Melichor Duraldi
Gallente Fourth Circle Total Comfort
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Posted - 2009.05.01 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Amira Silvermist Nicely done Evanda!
I agree, Great work!
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Retromash
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.05.02 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Amira Silvermist Nicely done Evanda!
Proof yet again that the right man for the job is a Minmatar woman!
PMS - It's not just for THAT time of the month Menopause - It doesn't mean THAT time of the month goes away
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