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Lillith Blackheart	Posted - 2006.04.26 17:41:00 - [181] Someone owes me isk. And I'm willing to double or nothing that they will again. Me.
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.04.27 04:39:00 - [182] Edited by: Nyphur on 27/04/2006 04:51:04 Originally by: Strikeclone Originally by: Nyphur Flexability is one thing but if the PF or game mechanics directly say that things work one way and you, in character, say it works another, the bottom line is that you're wrong. in what way does the game mechanic or the PF differ from what i have said? At no point does it say that a ship can NOT be flown without pod technology It's pretty simple. When you get blown up, there's a pod there. As I've said repeatedly, you cannot claim that you don't use a pod because as soon as you explode, there the damn thing is. The game mechanics don't allow for anything else, meaning you're contradicting game mechanics. Anything else you or I could say on this matter would be dancing around the point, as skill for which, I must say, you have a particular knack. What would happen if you made a post saying "I don't use a pod. I fly my ship from the command deck." and I post a killmail for your ship and pod and footage of me destroying your ship and then destroying your pod and scooping your corpse? If you were aboard that ship without a pod, first of all, you'd have to delete your character to preserve the truth of your claim since you died. And then the killmail proof of being in a pod and the footage of blowing it up, as well as the fact I now have your frozen corpse sitting in my cargo hold.. that's pretty irrefutable. What it would come down to is that, to remain in character, you'd need to abandon your claim of not flying a pod if you ever get blown up as there is evidence to the contrary. Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Strikeclone	Posted - 2006.04.27 05:01:00 - [183] Originally by: Nyphur It's pretty simple. When you get blown up, there's a pod there. As I've said repeatedly, you cannot claim that you don't use a pod because as soon as you explode, there the damn thing is. The game mechanics don't allow for anything else, meaning you're contradicting game mechanics. Anything else you or I could say on this matter would be dancing around the point, as skill for which, I must say, you have a particular knack. What would happen if you made a post saying "I don't use a pod. I fly my ship from the command deck." and I post a killmail for your ship and pod and footage of me destroying your ship and then destroying your pod and scooping your corpse? If you were aboard that ship without a pod, first of all, you'd have to delete your character to preserve the truth of your claim since you died. And then the killmail proof of being in a pod and the footage of blowing it up, as well as the fact I now have your frozen corpse sitting in my cargo hold.. that's pretty irrefutable. What it would come down to is that, to remain in character, you'd need to abandon your claim of not flying a pod if you ever get blown up as there is evidence to the contrary. You really are special aren't you? Read the wet grave story, and try to tell me that it is not possible within the game PF to pilot a ship with out a pod.... BUT UNDERSTAND THIS POINT I HAVE AT NO POINT SAID THAT I AM NOT A POD PILOT ONLY THAT I SOMETIMES COME OUT OF THE POD SOMETHING WHICH IS ACCEPTED WITHIN THE PF AS DOCUMENTED IN THE JOVIAN WET GRAVE STORY I really don't get why you have difficulty with this very simple concept. The argument is dead and this thread has been spammed enough. And infact this post of your is not even relevent to the argument so stop trolling and let it go. Squadron Leader Strikeclone XV Squadron HQ Hoist Battle Ensigns
Eris Davion	Posted - 2006.04.27 05:42:00 - [184] Originally by: Strikeclone Originally by: Nyphur You really are special aren't you? Read the wet grave story, and try to tell me that it is not possible within the game PF to pilot a ship with out a pod.... I'm only responding because you (inadvertantly?) begged me to... but the implications of the Wetgrave story that you are referring to are rendered irrelevant by other implications. It is highly implausible for a player character to be piloting any of the ships outside of the pod without some serious 'gimping.' Quote: And infact this post of your is not even relevent to the argument so stop trolling and let it go. Show us how, or admit you can't let it go either.
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.04.27 06:16:00 - [185] Originally by: Strikeclone snip Read the wet grave story, and try to tell me that it is not possible within the game PF to pilot a ship with out a pod.... BUT UNDERSTAND THIS POINT I HAVE AT NO POINT SAID THAT I AM NOT A POD PILOT ONLY THAT I SOMETIMES COME OUT OF THE POD SOMETHING WHICH IS ACCEPTED WITHIN THE PF AS DOCUMENTED IN THE JOVIAN WET GRAVE STORY No need to shout. If you want to say that you sometimes get out of your pod, that agrees with the prime fiction just fine. If you want to, however, say you fly your ship from the bridge without using a pod, as the original argument you put forward was actually about, that contradicts the game mechanics. You've changed your point from flying a ship without a pod to sometimes leaving your pod, which are two completely different things, the former being impossible to justify due to its contradiction being a provable condition (i.e. if you get podded, it proves you wrong) and the latter being perfectly acceptable and even in the prime fiction itself. I have never once said that a pilot cannot leave the pod and I also make note of the chronicle "Anima Obscura" from EON issue 2 where a young lady gets out of her pod and walks the hallways of her ship. To prove that your initial argument was about flying a ship from the bridge without a pod and not, in fact, about getting out of the pod sometimes, I quote you this passage from one of your earlier posts in the thread where you put the situation across initially. Originally by: you Nyphur, so if a character says that sometimes he likes to fly his ship outside of the pod (ie sitting on the bridge), and that he likes to interact face to face with his ships crew as this does not contradict the PF would this be acceptable to you? If you thought I was arguing the latter point, that you can't ever leave the pod, then we appear to have gotten our wires crossed. Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Strikeclone	Posted - 2006.04.27 09:17:00 - [186] Nyphur and Eris Davion, First of it is clear that you do not actually know what this argument/debate is about as it is clear that you never read the initial small statement that triggered the troll brigade to make a personal flame war against me. You have simply decided to jump on the band wagon and like all the rest you are not interested in learning the truth of the matter and nothing I say will ever satisfy you so further discussion is pointless. The matter had been close till you decided to re-hash an already wasted subject. Just let it lie it didnt matter months ago, it did matter when the matter was again brought up here, it still doesnt matter. The facts are that you and me are simply going to have to agree to disagree, neither of us is empowered to lay down the law to the other, i think we have filled this thread with enough posts now that those capable of mature thought and open minded ness to be objective and look past the trolling and flame have enough to make their own decisions. I ask now that we let it lie, let it end. End of story. Squadron Leader Strikeclone XV Squadron HQ Hoist Battle Ensigns
Halunoto Vankaalen	Posted - 2006.04.27 11:05:00 - [187] Originally by: Strikeclone First of it is clear that you do not actually know what this argument/debate is about as it is clear that you never read the initial small statement that triggered the troll brigade to make a personal flame war against me. I'm sorry? You are the only one here that has been warned by moderators for flaming. You also got into caps, in anger apparently. If anyone's a troll, it's you. And, judging by their posts they're clearly on-topic with the debate, still contributing and debating in a thoughtful manner. If you want to stop this, then in theory it's simple enough. Don't reply. ----- Disembarkation Room
Strikeclone	Posted - 2006.04.27 15:37:00 - [188] Edited by: Strikeclone on 27/04/2006 15:39:12 Halunoto Vankaalen I would like to point out that this argument has been going on, and going no where for over six months. Its time to call it a day, its all a matter of opinion, of interpritation, and of what people want from Eve. Lets just agree to disagree and be mature about it and leave it at that. Going back to the topic of the thread I really must advise new players and potential new players to take all that has been said here as just high passions that this game can inspire. Theres no real right or wrong in it just that some people will disagree with you so much that nothing you say will ever sit well with them. Personally I have no problem with paying players of the game making up nice plausable stories and personal fiction that sits within the spirit of the game back ground. As has been mentioned before the game fiction material is a series of stories themselves and are open to interpritation. Furthermore if you do not like a persons story or interpritation of the game back ground you are not bound to reply to them. And it is better to either ignore it or contact them ingame, trust me six months of pointless arguments does nothing for the game, the community or anyone except that you will always have a some players of any game with a certain rules lawyer mentality. Who derives much joy from trying to spoil others enjoyment of the game, whilst trying to impose thier will on other players. Unfortunately they exsist in all games and communities. It is unfortunate that for some this turns into a personal matter to be carried over from thread to thread, topic to topic, so that eventually the argument is all that is associated with you. Bottom line. As paying customers this is your game as much as it is anyones elses, so show common respect to your fellow players, and treat them as you find them. But do not be afraid to stand up to the rules lawyers. Squadron Leader Strikeclone XV Squadron HQ Hoist Battle Ensigns
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.04.27 20:11:00 - [189] Edited by: Nyphur on 27/04/2006 20:14:21 Originally by: Strikeclone Nyphur and Eris Davion, First of it is clear that you do not actually know what this argument/debate is about Originally by: Strikeclone Nyphur, so if a character says that sometimes he likes to fly his ship outside of the pod (ie sitting on the bridge), and that he likes to interact face to face with his ships crew as this does not contradict the PF would this be acceptable to you? Originally by: StrikeClone BUT UNDERSTAND THIS POINT I HAVE AT NO POINT SAID THAT I AM NOT A POD PILOT ONLY THAT I SOMETIMES COME OUT OF THE POD SOMETHING WHICH IS ACCEPTED WITHIN THE PF AS DOCUMENTED IN THE JOVIAN WET GRAVE STORY Two contradictory statements. You asked about one situation and then started arguing another. That's the point I made. Complaining that people won't stop arguing with you doesn't work. I'll be more than happy to drop the issue as long as you aren't going to force the last word in to make yourself seem correct. We will apparantly never agree. Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Strikeclone	Posted - 2006.04.27 22:23:00 - [190] Edited by: Strikeclone on 27/04/2006 22:26:39 Nyphur, the matter had been dropped some posts ago you restarted the "debate" I have said several times now the matter should be let rest as its gone way past reasonable debate. I have at no point tried to manipulate or quote or mis-quote anyone to make it seem as if i am correct. This is not a matter that will ever be resolved, as it is simply your opinion against mine their is no "evidence" to categorically prove either right or wrong. And in anycase the argument is no longer (and hasnt been for several months re: my comment about you not understanding the issue) about to pod or not to pod pilot, its been about certains players presumption that they are empowered to be a mod/dev and tell people how to play eve and how to interpret the background materiel. I have argued that its not your place, my place or anyone elses place to tell people how to play eve. I have further argued that if you really must comment on something someone writes or says then as you should contact the individual privately vie evemail or ingame convo (with hind sight i wish this is how it had been delt with over SIX months ago) Its not a matter to spam all over the in-character forums, prehaps an open discussion in general discussion woudl have been approriate, which infact i did try. But the thread got insta trolled, burned to death and ultimately the mods did their job. So lets just agree to disagree, and end the matter as un-resolved. I hope this is the end and that no further replies on the matter are required. edit: spelling Squadron Leader Strikeclone XV Squadron HQ Hoist Battle Ensigns
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.04.27 22:32:00 - [191] Alright, I'll be the better person and stop posting since it's clear you won't. Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Strikeclone	Posted - 2006.04.27 22:39:00 - [192] Originally by: Nyphur Alright, I'll be the better person and stop posting since it's clear you won't. lol at the cheap hit Squadron Leader Strikeclone XV Squadron HQ Hoist Battle Ensigns
Eris Davion	Posted - 2006.04.28 03:02:00 - [193] Edited by: Eris Davion on 28/04/2006 03:03:03 Originally by: Strikeclone Nyphur and Eris Davion, First of it is clear that you do not actually know what this argument/debate is about as it is clear that you never read the initial small statement that triggered the troll brigade to make a personal flame war against me. You have simply decided to jump on the band wagon and like all the rest you are not interested in learning the truth of the matter Close. I'm not interested in learning the truth of the matter, because both sides have admitted that everything which would corroborate the truth has been deleted. I'm not interested in joining the bandwagon either, though. Nothing I said pertains to the past flamage, unless you count asking you to take your own advice about letting it go. The meat of my post pertained to the challenge you made regarding the Wetgrave story. I'll repeat this part: It had nothing to do with the past. It was only about what you brought up in the present. Quote: The matter had been close till you decided to re-hash an already wasted subject. Like I said, you asked for a response with your last post. Your own words: Originally by: Strikeclone Read the wet grave story, and try to tell me that it is not possible within the game PF to pilot a ship with out a pod.... I'll admit, I'm easily trolled by a challenge like that. Quote: Just let it lie Like I also said: Show Us How. If you really want it dropped, you need to let it go as much as anyone else. Stop fighting for the last word. Stop feeding those who are trolling you. Stop challenging the rest of us to disagree with you. Every one of those actions prevents the issue from being dropped.
Halunoto Vankaalen	Posted - 2006.04.28 04:26:00 - [194] Well said. ----- Disembarkation Room
Strikeclone	Posted - 2006.04.28 08:31:00 - [195] Originally by: Eris Davion I'm not interested in learning the truth of the matter Just about the most accurate thing any of you have said in any of your posts Originally by: Eris Davion I'm not interested in joining the bandwagon Yet your posts prove other wise. Originally by: Eris Davion Stop fighting for the last word. So that you can have it? Originally by: Eris Davion Stop feeding those who are trolling you. Stop challenging the rest of us to disagree with you. Every one of those actions prevents the issue from being dropped. I would point out to you that in this instance of the "debate" I first called for it to be let lie and left at that nearly forty posts ago,....forty. And if you can find it in yourself to be a little more reasonable although I doubt it considering that you are not interested in the truth,...your own words, you will see that after my every attempt to just agree to disgree and leave it, one or more of the same band wagon crowd carries on the with either flamebait, trolling, accusations or out right lies. And then has the gall to expect me not to reply and defend myself. So once again for the record, as you have stated you are not interested in the truth and it is clear to me that the others share your lack of interest in the truth. So lets agree to disagree, no more arguements and no more posts on this topic on this thread. I think we have all spammed it enough. As a final point you will please note that yet again I am not trying to "win" my point i wasnt before and I am not now. But fifty or more posts is enough I think. Squadron Leader Strikeclone XV Squadron HQ Hoist Battle Ensigns
Strikeclone	Posted - 2006.04.28 08:32:00 - [196] Originally by: Halunoto Vankaalen Well said. Thank you Hal I am pleased that you have decided to show some maturity and agree that we should end the arguments and just agree to disagree. I shall consider the matter closed finally after six months of arguments. (unless anyone wishes to go on and on and on....) Squadron Leader Strikeclone XV Squadron HQ Hoist Battle Ensigns
Lillith Blackheart	Posted - 2006.04.28 12:50:00 - [197] Anyone got double or nothing again? :\| Me.
Areah Mar'khet	Posted - 2006.04.29 05:48:00 - [198] Originally by: Strikeclone stuff That isn't dropping it, that's getting the last word again.
Halunoto Vankaalen	Posted - 2006.04.29 05:59:00 - [199] Originally by: Areah Mar'khet Originally by: Strikeclone stuff That isn't dropping it, that's getting the last word again. Exactly ----- Disembarkation Room
Strikeclone	Posted - 2006.04.29 06:05:00 - [200] Originally by: Halunoto Vankaalen Originally by: Areah Mar'khet Originally by: Strikeclone stuff That isn't dropping it, that's getting the last word again. Exactly lol @ troll quoting troll Squadron Leader Strikeclone XV Squadron HQ Hoist Battle Ensigns
Strikeclone	Posted - 2006.04.29 06:05:00 - [201] Originally by: Areah Mar'khet Originally by: Strikeclone stuff That isn't dropping it, that's getting the last word again. lol @ troll Squadron Leader Strikeclone XV Squadron HQ Hoist Battle Ensigns
Halunoto Vankaalen	Posted - 2006.04.29 06:12:00 - [202] Originally by: Strikeclone lol @ troll quoting troll Grow up. ----- Disembarkation Room
Teblin	Posted - 2006.04.29 06:30:00 - [203] Whatever happened here, please end it now. This thread is for the discussion of now not to sound like a madman when role playing and right now you all look a little mad to me . If you feel there are posts which are trolling or in some other way in violation of the forum rules, please contact [email protected] with a link and your character name and someone will check it out when they have time. The same goes for reporting OOC comments. We can't be everywhere at once and a little direction from the playerbase helps us pinpoint problematic threads. Teblin's advice for roleplayers is to please read the special forum rules stickied at the top of the forum. I've noticed a lot of people using out of character comments and they are not allowed. OOC comments are an immersion breaker for those who want to stay in character and might have trouble doing so with a thread full of people talking in brackets. We aren't all born actors but we should all have the right to role play. My other advice would be to familiarise yourself vaguely with the backstory and always ask yourself "What would my character think?". The beauty of the forum is that you don't need to react straight away. You can sit down and think for a minute about how your character might react and what they might have to say on an issue. Happy roleplaying (nutcases ). forum rules \| [email protected]
Halunoto Vankaalen	Posted - 2006.04.29 06:33:00 - [204] Thank you, very much for ending this. Originally by: Teblin Happy roleplaying (nutcases ). It's a lifestyle. ----- Disembarkation Room
Teblin	Posted - 2006.04.29 06:40:00 - [205] Originally by: Halunoto Vankaalen Thank you, very much for ending this. If you ever genuinely feel you are being trolled, please email [email protected] about it and refrain from responding to the troll. Things can get out of hand fast if you respond. forum rules \| [email protected]
Strikeclone	Posted - 2006.04.29 08:36:00 - [206] Edited by: Strikeclone on 29/04/2006 08:36:34 Edited by: Strikeclone on 29/04/2006 08:35:51 Originally by: Teblin Strikeclone (or anyone else for that matter), if you ever genuinely feel you are being trolled, please email [email protected] about it and refrain from responding to the troll. Things can get out of hand fast if you respond. Following private talks I will say no more than I have already said. But wish to say that the mods email is in my address book Squadron Leader Strikeclone XV Squadron HQ Hoist Battle Ensigns
Mebrithiel Ju'wien	Posted - 2006.04.29 12:33:00 - [207] Just wondering Teblin, is it in your power or someone elses to remove the arguement in this topic to a seperate topic perhaps in the Library. Afterall, this topic is meant to be for new RP-ers to come in and get a bit of advice. I'm sure they a) Don't want to face 7 pages of a topic where 3-4 of them are not going to help them, or b) have to face this arguement in the hopes that someone said something useful in it all. And the rest of you should know better... misquoting moderators -eris Your ego is too large, please read the forum rules - Ductoris
Lillith Blackheart	Posted - 2006.04.29 14:31:00 - [208] Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien Just wondering Teblin, is it in your power or someone elses to remove the arguement in this topic to a seperate topic perhaps in the Library. Afterall, this topic is meant to be for new RP-ers to come in and get a bit of advice. I'm sure they a) Don't want to face 7 pages of a topic where 3-4 of them are not going to help them, or b) have to face this arguement in the hopes that someone said something useful in it all. And the rest of you should know better... Just wanted to second Meb's motion here. Me.
Halunoto Vankaalen	Posted - 2006.04.29 21:28:00 - [209] Third-ed? ----- Disembarkation Room
Shemar	Posted - 2006.04.29 21:34:00 - [210] errrmm... whatever 4th is ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision

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