No ammo in wh.

Thats it it doesnt need ammo? Lets try from different angle. What can it do well....enough

Name one thing, other than not using much ammo...and another t3 can do it better.

I fly pretty much all Amarr at the moment...and fitting a legion makes me sad.

The people saying that it doesn't use ammo actually is probably one of it's strongest points sadly...it is the worst out of all the t3 ships at everything. Name one thing, other than not using much ammo...and another t3 can do it better.

Makes me sad :(

(this isn't saying that it sucks...it can do pretty good dps, or a godly tank if fit correctly...but still, both of those can be outdone by other t3s)

Keep reading this on these forums... our Legion pilots remind me not to listen to the posts on here. There are at least 3 viable fits we use on every PVP op we run. I would say the Legion is second only to the Proteus (might even be equal) in our fleets.

PVE... completely different beast. Loki and Tengu all the way (C5/6 sites).

AFK'ing missions.


Replace the CCCs with two nano accelerators and a nano pump to get a nearly 60% increase in tank for a minor increase in grid cost on the repper. So long as you take out the webbing ships first you should be able to tank pretty much everything with a 233-370 DPS "omni" tank and a 700m/s speed. Light drones will push 250 rDPS for hobs which is enough to eventually get most missions done, and once all the things that'll attack mediums are dead you can just deploy them for up to nearly 400 rDPS.

Tengu'll be better. Hell, laser and HAM legion will probably be better. They still require that you be AK while the drone build lets you be AFK.

curse or pilgrim does it better.

That's exactly what t3's are about. Curse and Pilgrim are specialists. They should perform better in this role. T3s bring all this features (tank, damage, ewar) in one package but less effective.

For instance, I read about very tanky, pure neut Legions. Something a Curse or Pilgrim cannot do. Same for the damage role. Zealot is very cool for damage projection. The Legion does it equally well but with much better tank or with a token neut or drones on top.

That's just it, even after all the T2/T3 ships get rebalanced the legion shouldn't be the best ship in any role. T3 ships are supposed to be "jack of all, master of none" when it comes to ship design. It should be a good HAM boat, but not better than the sacrilege. It should be a good disruption boat, but not better than the curse or pilgrim. It should be a good laser boat, but not better than the zealot. It should do good work with gang links, but not be better than the damnation.

If the legion does get a boost don't expect it to be a major boost. If you really want to take advantage of the legion's strengths then pack a covert ops/bubble-proof fit, move it and some stuff to support it to no/low-sec, and then constantly change up your fittings to keep the "enemy" guessing as to what you'll bring to the party. You won't always be flying the "best" ship for a given job, but if you get people dancing to your tune they'll be fitting to counter something that you aren't flying and they'll be less likely to kill you.

Yes but it comes at double or more the pricetag where in most situations the extra tank will not matter.

Currently the tengu is used excessively because its so good.

Were almost on the 2nd page of this topic and except for one guy its all been about how legion cant do anything even remotely competantly its just that bad.

Do u guys seriously believe this imbalance will continue after the 're' balance? I need to plan my skills and i can see far enough into the future to know that the legion will be buffed and the tengu will be nerfed. I like the look of the legion and im taking the gamble that it will be worth flying.

So, if we pretend that the legion doesnt suck how would u fit it? Id post my fit but with no pvp exp i just get laughed at. So lets skip that step.

curse or pilgrim does it better.

I'd say that Neut Legion >>>>> Neut Pilgrim and Neut Ashimmu.

-Liang

This basically.
Even though Blood Raiders and Sansha are weak to EM, the neuts and TD makes the Tengu preferable for some since neither affects missiles.

Were almost on the 2nd page of this topic and except for one guy its all been about how legion cant do anything even remotely competantly its just that bad.

Do u guys seriously believe this imbalance will continue after the 're' balance?

So, if we pretend that the legion doesnt suck how would u fit it? Id post my fit but with no pvp exp i just get laughed at. So lets skip that step.

my bad, I should have only said curse does it better.

What is its next best function? Even if there are better ships for the task what else do people use the legion for? I ask because its gonna take me a while to train for the legion and t3s are gonna be rebalanced so im predicting that my training into the legion will prove to be worthwhile

The answer is armor fleet incursions.

It is the ship of choice to the point where you will see entire fleets of them with only other ship being logi.

What is its next best function? Even if there are better ships for the task what else do people use the legion for? I ask because its gonna take me a while to train for the legion and t3s are gonna be rebalanced so im predicting that my training into the legion will prove to be worthwhile

cough ham legion cough

Armor boosting.

Somewhat niche, but it definitely does it better than any other T3.

Keep reading this on these forums... our Legion pilots remind me not to listen to the posts on here. There are at least 3 viable fits we use on every PVP op we run. I would say the Legion is second only to the Proteus (might even be equal) in our fleets.

PVE... completely different beast. Loki and Tengu all the way (C5/6 sites).

Ive gotten that legion is worse at every task than some other ship out there. Im doing market speculation if u will. Im gambling that legion will get buffed when t3s get balanced. Since its going to take me months to get into the legion. By the time i can fly it it will probably be pretty good.

So if we ignore how ship 'x' can do it better. What is the legion supposed to do well? What build almost doesnt suck?

curse or pilgrim does it better.

LOL no, it's pretty easy to permarun 6 medium neuts in a Legion, while actually having enough EHP no not be swatted in the first seconds of a fight.



You just got a taste of the awfulness of those forums (people that know what they are talking about tend to do it elsewhere, and many of them are banned here anyway). Legions are the backbone of some of the most successful fleet format (e.g. Verge of Collapse).

That's just it, even after all the T2/T3 ships get rebalanced the legion shouldn't be the best ship in any role. T3 ships are supposed to be "jack of all, master of none" when it comes to ship design. It should be a good HAM boat, but not better than the sacrilege. It should be a good disruption boat, but not better than the curse or pilgrim. It should be a good laser boat, but not better than the zealot. It should do good work with gang links, but not be better than the damnation.

It can even do some nano silliness like the zealot for some of the truly weird out there.

There's one good thing about the Legion, and that's an immense amount of powergrid with the Power Core Multiplier. With just faction items, no deadspace, in PvP you have enough grid to fit a 100mn AB and a 1600mm plate, or a 10mn MWD and two 1600mm plates, without grid mods.

The first option gives 750 DPS, 130,000 EHP, and 2,000 m/sec speed before gang mods/implants with the sig radius of a cruiser. The second gives 646 DPS, 200,000 EHP, and 1,800 m/sec speed before gang mods/implants. None of these fits need any kind of cap mods/booster so you have 3 mids to play with. You can fit web/scram/ECCM and be almost impossible to jam, or just fit dual web to really lock stuff down.

Tengu can't get anywhere close to this because of the gimped fitting stats, you can't fit 6 launchers and a MWD on a Tengu without running out of PG, let alone any shield extenders.

In PvE, nothing beats shield tanked ships, but that's not a problem with the Legion or Tengu, it's a problem with the absurdly overpowered nature of the Gist line of shield boosters. A Gistum A-type MSB and Pith X-type SBA on a Tengu results in an almost 10:1 ratio of shield boost:cap spent. No armor tanked ship can beat a 4:1 ratio on armor repaired:cap spent no matter how much isk you spend on them.

I have no idea whatsoever why they made the Gist boosters so good compared to every other shield booster and every armor repairer. The best faction MAR has a base of 360 repair for 180 cap. The best faction MSB has a base of 90 shield boosted for 60 cap. The best deadspace MAR has a base of 468 repaired for 180 cap. The best deadspace MSB has a base of 170 shield boosted for 38 cap. Going from a faction to a deadspace armor tank is a 30% increase in efficiency, going from a faction to a deadspace shield tank is a 298% increase in efficiency.....