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Miss Mina	Posted - 2005.11.25 20:42:00 - [1] After all these character sales threads directing to ebay recently, i took a look myself, i was shocked to see this http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/100-million-EVE-online-ISK-only-GBP-12-99-YeahGame_W0QQitemZ8237336989QQcategoryZ68249QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem They can produce 30 billion isk a day? I'm having a brain fit at the moment, please someone tell me how they make that much isk, and whats it going to do to our economy? :(
Katamarino	Posted - 2005.11.25 20:44:00 - [2] Maybe THEY own all the T2 BPOs
Alexi Borizkova	Posted - 2005.11.25 20:48:00 - [3] Originally by: Katamarino Maybe THEY own all the T2 BPOs That's a frightening thought. In another MMO I played the currency traders started off just "farming" but eventually after the compan y made several key changes that required skilled and knowledgeable play (as well as a lot more time) to acquire the commonly farmed rare items, they moved en masse to resource harvesting... and crafting. The thought of a large group turnign their resources to teh production market frightens me... let us prey they never get teh SP totals and knowledge and infrastructure to become a player in the production market. Let us also hope thye never get good enough at the game to be able to adequately defend themselves.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.11.25 21:03:00 - [4] Originally by: Katamarino Maybe THEY own all the T2 BPOs Doubt it. Most T2 BPOs don't make that kind of money. Its most likely macro mining/farm mining. - Proud member of the [23]. Don't get the reference in my sig? Click it.
Rasitiln	Posted - 2005.11.25 21:05:00 - [5] smells advertisement
Winterblink	Posted - 2005.11.25 21:05:00 - [6] So what to do about it? *** and moan on the forums? Report them to CCP? Won't catch them all. Maybe changing mining into a more dynamic aspect of gameplay so it's not the turn-on-lasers-then-drag-and-drop-fest that it is now. Again, the crafting of EQ2 could have been as braindead easy to macro as Dark Age of Camelot's system, but they chose a dynamic interactive system that eliminated macroing. winterblink** warp drive active.http://winterblink.com/wda nature vraie.http://winterblink.com/env
kurtz abraham	Posted - 2005.11.25 21:08:00 - [7] Notice something else about the ebayer? Check the feedback they have got, all from the same type of name, all with zero feedback and all within minutes of each others purchases. Looks as though the ebayer has got "friends" of his to make purchases from him to create feedback. I say CCP gets a bogus player to buy this stuff ( 1 purchase from each isk ebayer), that way they can trace the isk transfers. This has to stop, everywhere you go ingame these days you find these farmers, everyone you talk to ingame has seen them..... 30 billion isk a day... come on CCP, buy this isk from them... trace all related transactions and ban the lot of them.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.11.25 21:12:00 - [8] CCP should quite seriously set aside $1000 for sting operations. What they would do is simply buy 100 million ISK from each seperate seller. Then, they ban the person who transferred the money, and ban EVERYONE that they had given ISK to in obvious set amounts. You'd easily catch a few hundred eBay buyers and screw over most of the eBay sellers this way. Enough, and you'd scare them out of the business. - Proud member of the [23]. Don't get the reference in my sig? Click it.
Makhan	Posted - 2005.11.25 21:12:00 - [9] sweet table break.
Marie Sklodowska	Posted - 2005.11.25 21:13:00 - [10] Quote: By bidding on this auction you are stating that you are in NO way affiliated with CCP, Simon and Schuster or a Viacom affiliated company. hahaha..they think this "disclaimer" legally protects them from CCP employees buying and tracking them down? This is just a re-written version of the Internet Privacy and Protection Act signed by Bill Clinton in 1995. There is no such act, and just because you write a good sounding "disclaimer" doesn't protect you, it's only a flag to show that you are doing something illegal and are trying to cover your tracks. www.eve-search.com \| www.eve-files.com
Miss Mina	Posted - 2005.11.25 21:13:00 - [11] I'm not trying to advertise for them, im trying to get the problem noticed, and no not before its to bad, its way beyond bad!
Miss Mina	Posted - 2005.11.25 21:14:00 - [12] Originally by: Dark Shikari CCP should quite seriously set aside $1000 for sting operations. What they would do is simply buy 100 million ISK from each seperate seller. Then, they ban the person who transferred the money, and ban EVERYONE that they had given ISK to in obvious set amounts. You'd easily catch a few hundred eBay buyers and screw over most of the eBay sellers this way. Enough, and you'd scare them out of the business. You dont need to buy 100 mill, they sell quantities as little as 50 mill, it wouldn't cost much to get these guys banned.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.11.25 21:15:00 - [13] Originally by: Marie Sklodowska Quote: By bidding on this auction you are stating that you are in NO way affiliated with CCP, Simon and Schuster or a Viacom affiliated company. hahaha..they think this "disclaimer" legally protects them from CCP employees buying and tracking them down? This is just a re-written version of the Internet Privacy and Protection Act signed by Bill Clinton in 1995. There is no such act, and just because you write a good sounding "disclaimer" doesn't protect you, it's only a flag to show that you are doing something illegal and are trying to cover your tracks. Snopes page about it, for info. - Proud member of the [23]. Don't get the reference in my sig? Click it.
Helos Prank	Posted - 2005.11.25 21:22:00 - [14] CCP needs to change mining so that a trial character can¦t mine like a mofo... The point is that chinese labor is cheap and with a few hundred computers and all the trial accounts in the world 30 bil isks isnt that much of a prob... so long as you have the macros. Change the trial character specs. Or whatever. I will...(no thats not it) I Shall!!(crap not a good one...) Booom!(ahhh thats the one)
Armor Jack	Posted - 2005.11.25 21:23:00 - [15] Edited by: Armor Jack on 25/11/2005 21:24:18 and btw saying "The Chinese" means all Chinese, that's stereotyping... those Chinese players i know in this game are just chillin' and enjoying the game, nothing else. _________________________________________________ The only real Caldarian is born a Caldarian, dawg...
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.11.25 21:23:00 - [16] Originally by: Helos Prank CCP needs to change mining so that a trial character can¦t mine like a mofo... The point is that chinese labor is cheap and with a few hundred computers and all the trial accounts in the world 30 bil isks isnt that much of a prob... so long as you have the macros. Change the trial character specs. Or whatever. A lot of macro mining isn't done with trial accounts. Many farmers have characters 2, 3, 6 months old. - Proud member of the [23]. Don't get the reference in my sig? Click it.
Miss Mina	Posted - 2005.11.25 21:26:00 - [17] If you look at the seller info he comes from china, we all know about how selling a few mill of isk in china is a lot of money to the average chinese person, dont kid yourself, they are chinese, or asian no doubt.
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2005.11.25 21:28:00 - [18] Originally by: Dark Shikari CCP should quite seriously set aside $1000 for sting operations. What they would do is simply buy 100 million ISK from each seperate seller. Then, they ban the person who transferred the money, and ban EVERYONE that they had given ISK to in obvious set amounts. There's a major problem with that line of thinking though. BUYING ISK for real-world cash is not only permitted, but actively encouraged; it's only SELLING it that they don't like. If you want to buy ISK for IRL cash, just buy a huge whack of time-cards and then sell them for ISK. You can do that on the WTS boards right here, with CCP's enthusiastic approval.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.11.25 21:28:00 - [19] Originally by: Miss Mina If you look at the seller info he comes from china, we all know about how selling a few mill of isk in china is a lot of money to the average chinese person, dont kid yourself, they are chinese, or asian no doubt. I think he's saying that not all Chinese are farmers, not that most farmers aren't Chinese. Its extremely important to avoid stereotyping or racism when hunting down farmers and macro miners. - Proud member of the [23]. Don't get the reference in my sig? Click it.
Rivek	Posted - 2005.11.25 21:30:00 - [20] IIRC, a person can mine ~ 30mil/hour in 0.0 sucking on crokite. 30 BILLION isk then would require 1000 miner hours. If they do this every day, they have upwards of 45 accounts running with good skills 22+ hours a day. In reality, its much more likely they are in safe space with lower skilled characters and thus (if their 30bil/day claim is true) have many many more accounts. See your name in lights at TunDraGon.com
AdriaLima	Posted - 2005.11.25 21:39:00 - [21] Well i for one cant understand why this game doesnt have something like gameguardian or some other anti-cheat/macro program. Would solve it instantly...or at least for the most part.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.11.25 21:40:00 - [22] Originally by: AdriaLima Well i for one cant understand why this game doesnt have something like gameguardian or some other anti-cheat/macro program. Would solve it instantly...or at least for the most part. GameGuardian and Punkbuster protect against cheats (memory hacks), not macros. You can still farm without a macro anyways. You just need a bunch of computers, each with a number of accounts running--just go from one to the next swapping ore to a can, and have a friend warp back and forth with multiple itty 5s to haul. I would guess two people could easily handle 10-20 mining ships this way. - Proud member of the [23]. Don't get the reference in my sig? Click it.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2005.11.25 21:42:00 - [23] You would need hundreds of accounts mining in empire 24/7 in order to make 30bil a day. I bet the Deep Blue alliance, or whatever they're called, don't make 30bil isk a day selling hoardes of t2 items. ------------------------------------ Your Civilian Gatling Railgun perfectly strikes Choke Slam [CAIN], wrecking for 6.0 damage.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.11.25 21:45:00 - [24] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia You would need hundreds of accounts mining in empire 24/7 in order to make 30bil a day. I bet the Deep Blue alliance, or whatever they're called, don't make 30bil isk a day selling hoardes of t2 items. Big Blue? Of course they don't. All the cap recharger II BPOs in all of EVE don't nearly make that much (they make about 3.5 billion a day combined, 432m a day each). A good covetor strip mining belts in safe space can earn 5-6m an hour. Assuming they mine 23 hours a day, that's 250 miners. One thing I do notice is that they claim they buy the ISK cheap--what is possible is that many players are selling to them to convert their ISK to real-life cash. I still doubt the 30 billion figure though. - Proud member of the [23]. Don't get the reference in my sig? Click it.
AdriaLima	Posted - 2005.11.25 21:47:00 - [25] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: AdriaLima Well i for one cant understand why this game doesnt have something like gameguardian or some other anti-cheat/macro program. Would solve it instantly...or at least for the most part. GameGuardian and Punkbuster protect against cheats (memory hacks), not macros. You can still farm without a macro anyways. You just need a bunch of computers, each with a number of accounts running--just go from one to the next swapping ore to a can, and have a friend warp back and forth with multiple itty 5s to haul. I would guess two people could easily handle 10-20 mining ships this way. Well that sucks then lol damn. I have been petitioning alot of those macro miners but cant be sure if they were actually banned. sigh we need a better system.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.11.25 21:50:00 - [26] Originally by: AdriaLima Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: AdriaLima Well i for one cant understand why this game doesnt have something like gameguardian or some other anti-cheat/macro program. Would solve it instantly...or at least for the most part. GameGuardian and Punkbuster protect against cheats (memory hacks), not macros. You can still farm without a macro anyways. You just need a bunch of computers, each with a number of accounts running--just go from one to the next swapping ore to a can, and have a friend warp back and forth with multiple itty 5s to haul. I would guess two people could easily handle 10-20 mining ships this way. Well that sucks then lol damn. I have been petitioning alot of those macro miners but cant be sure if they were actually banned. They're usually not. Personally, I think the real issue here is that mining is simply too easy to farm. If not a macro, you can do it by alt-tabbing 10 accounts. Mining should require at least some attention, enough that one should have to spend at least 20-30 seconds out of every cycle doing something of some sort. This would make mining more interesting, and would pretty much kill the farming profession. - Proud member of the [23]. Don't get the reference in my sig? Click it.
Teri Ipeh	Posted - 2005.11.25 21:50:00 - [27] Originally by: Miss Mina After all these character sales threads directing to ebay recently, i took a look myself, i was shocked to see this http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/100-million-EVE-online-ISK-only-GBP-12-99-YeahGame_W0QQitemZ8237336989QQcategoryZ68249QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem They can produce 30 billion isk a day? I'm having a brain fit at the moment, please someone tell me how they make that much isk, and whats it going to do to our economy? :( Does look like a bit of an ad you posted here As for 30 bil a day, thats nothing comapred to the amount of isk thats currently available on all the auctions. We're talking thousands of billions. The macroing/ebaying problem is rampant in this game now, but as a short-term solution to limit its effect on the eve economy I suggest removing NPC's from the mineral market so no new isk is generated from macroed ore. This will at least stem the flood of billions of isk each week comming into the game from illegal ore.
Miss Mina	Posted - 2005.11.25 21:51:00 - [28] The fact is, even if one person is watching over those 10-20 macroing accounts, even if ccp cant ban them for macroing then what is stopping ccp from keeping an eye on this type of player and simply banning when they see them ebay isk?
Gredoh	Posted - 2005.11.25 21:53:00 - [29] Originally by: Miss Mina what is stopping ccp from keeping an eye on this type of player and simply banning when they see them ebay isk? The several hundred dollars per month in account fees CCP make from them.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.11.25 21:55:00 - [30] Originally by: Teri Ipeh The macroing/ebaying problem is rampant in this game now, but as a short-term solution to limit its effect on the eve economy I suggest removing NPC's from the mineral market so no new isk is generated from macroed ore. This will at least stem the flood of billions of isk each week comming into the game from illegal ore. Nope. Macroers aren't selling to NPCs (as that is impossible because of the player orders above them). So they aren't increasing the amount of ISK in the game. - Proud member of the [23]. Don't get the reference in my sig? Click it.

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