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j0sephine	Posted - 2005.11.26 02:53:00 - [91] "They can produce 30 billion isk a day?" I can produce 30 billion isk a day. This must be true because i said so, and it's not like am trying to gain some sort of credibility in the eyes of clueless would-be customer by telling outrageous lies... >>;;
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.11.26 03:17:00 - [92] Originally by: Brechan Skene drivel WTS clue
Cmdr Sy	Posted - 2005.11.26 03:29:00 - [93] Originally by: Brechan Skene EvE IS A GAME. REMEMBER EvE IS A GAME. IT IS NOT A REPLACEMENT FOR THE REAL WORLD. So why do you buy your ISK for real money online?
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2005.11.26 03:54:00 - [94] Originally by: Cmdr Sy Originally by: Brechan Skene EvE IS A GAME. REMEMBER EvE IS A GAME. IT IS NOT A REPLACEMENT FOR THE REAL WORLD. So why do you buy your ISK for real money online? "Cos i dont have enough time to spare" thats the responce the ppl pocketing rl currency will want to hear.... what about this: LIFE IS WHAT YOU MAKE OF IT - THE MORE TIME INVESTED MORE OUT OF THE DEAL? SOUND FIMILIAR? Why do you get to fly round in whatever fancy ship you buy when others that have spent the time themselfs cannot - because some guy operating a handfull of PCs did it for you? come on. do something else!, ppl with no time to spare shouldnt play and corrupt others that do have the time's fun, play a ******* single player game ffs (yes thats aimed at the buyers) tossers. This is a tochy subject for me, and it gets me that that some want to cheat and others want to risk destroying a game for a few ú$ú$ú cos they think they know a bit 'bout computers. Love eve, 'too smart to spend more than ú10+ on a game for my fun'. Dr Fighter. -------------------------------------- Witty Sig required
Erik Pathfinder	Posted - 2005.11.26 04:19:00 - [95] Has anyone considered that some eBayers may be very rich veteran players who want to turn their extra ISK they don't use, into cash? Has anyone considered that some macroers (while despicable) may just be farming ISK for their veteran main? Not sure if my 2nd question has much relevance, but surely macro-miners aren't the only ones who have ever thought of selling ISK for money? ------------------------------------------------------------
Nyaari Sharenti	Posted - 2005.11.26 04:59:00 - [96] Originally by: Erik Pathfinder Has anyone considered that some eBayers may be very rich veteran players who want to turn their extra ISK they don't use, into cash? Has anyone considered that some macroers (while despicable) may just be farming ISK for their veteran main? Not sure if my 2nd question has much relevance, but surely macro-miners aren't the only ones who have ever thought of selling ISK for money? Either way, they are abusing the game and should be stopped.
Erik Pathfinder	Posted - 2005.11.26 05:01:00 - [97] Edited by: Erik Pathfinder on 26/11/2005 05:01:38 I agree totally. My point was, CCP shouldn't forget about "legitimate" players selling off their abundant ISK when looking for suspects, etc. ------------------------------------------------------------
Cmdr Sy	Posted - 2005.11.26 05:03:00 - [98] Originally by: Erik Pathfinder Has anyone considered that some eBayers may be very rich veteran players who want to turn their extra ISK they don't use, into cash? Has anyone considered that some macroers (while despicable) may just be farming ISK for their veteran main? Not sure if my 2nd question has much relevance, but surely macro-miners aren't the only ones who have ever thought of selling ISK for money? Few veterans would do that, because they have too much to lose. They have invested time and emotional energy into the game. There is no question of a bit of cash on the side. Farming games for cash is done by people with no stake to begin with.
Erik Pathfinder	Posted - 2005.11.26 05:09:00 - [99] Originally by: Cmdr Sy Farming games for cash is done by people with no stake to begin with. Good point ------------------------------------------------------------
Brechan Skene	Posted - 2005.11.26 05:23:00 - [100] Originally by: Dark Shikari The fact that: a) It ruins the game for everyone else. b) Its against the EULA. c) Its just plain wrong. A) How? It has not effected you in anyway. Could you please be a bit more specific 'cry baby'(). B) True. But can you prove that it occurred 'beyond reasonable doubt'? Especially seeing that likelyhood that CCP would have no power or rights to request EBay purchaseing info. All you would have is someone placing money into another persons account. Not much to go by. c) Its plain wrong to you(). So is using the tech II lottery of blue prints to create a monopoly on specific tech II items. I do not see you whingers complaining about that do we. Dark Shikari is it the only reason that you are whingeing about this is because you are not able to take advantage of this, more than likely this is the reason. But, however if you are indeed one of the rare types of people whom does have integrity. I congratulate you on your stand and even though I believe you are wrong,. You must still stand up for what you believe is right. Thankyou Brechan Skene
Erik Pathfinder	Posted - 2005.11.26 05:27:00 - [101] Originally by: Brechan Skene Dark Shikari is it the only reason that you are whingeing about this is because you are not able to take advantage of this, more than likely this is the reason. I think you're missing the point. They're using tools not part of the game. They are competing with something that isnt part of the rules. It's not about competition if everyone has to use out of game tools to compete. You're basically saying we should all download macros and stop whining. Macroers need changing, not the game. For a good analogy: Steroid users are kicked out of sports, other players aren't encouraged to start using them too. ------------------------------------------------------------
Cmdr Sy	Posted - 2005.11.26 05:28:00 - [102] You are really new to the forums if you say you have never seen people moan about the distribution of T2 item production. The rest of your points are just flamebait.
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.11.26 05:31:00 - [103] "A) How? It has not effected you in anyway." A character which remains logged on 23/7 and actively performs (if just mechanical and repetitive) operations during that whole time... hogs much more of hardware resources than a typical player who spends couple of hours a day playing, sometimes less, and often idles during part of that time chatting in station and whatnot. Multiply that by large number of such mechanical drones, and you can see how this can and does affect people in the same solar system and often in the same region, lagging them out and making their overall playing experience less comfortable. In other words yes, you do get affected by them.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2005.11.26 07:04:00 - [104] Originally by: Brechan Skene UNFORTUNATELY WE LIVE IN THE 'REAL WORLD'. NOT THE MAKE BELIEVE FAIRY LAND MOST OF YOU ARE IN. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE. TAKE THOSE 'ROSE PETAL' GLASSES OFF AND SEE THE REAL WORLD FOR WHAT IT IS. PEOPLE NEED JOBS TO SURVIVE. TO EAT AND TOO LIVE. I THINK THIS IS THE BETTER OF TWO EVILS. So by your definiton it's ok to sell drugs or be a ****, because that person needs food and shelter. Hell, it's ok to be a hacker too, because many of them are paid for the damage they do or the information they retrieve. Oh, and people don't need jobs to survive. Sadly, I've seen -alot- of people around here live off of welfare and panhandling. Most of them have no desire to work, and they choose that lower life. Some don't, but news flash* life isn't fair. ------------------------------------ Quote: 1 Billion isk currently sells on ebay for about $225 90 day GTC $38.95 Currently selling for 300mill Therefore 1Bill isk costs you $129.50.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2005.11.26 07:07:00 - [105] Eris, please LOCK this THREAD, racist overture in the OP.
F'nog	Posted - 2005.11.26 07:19:00 - [106] Anyone else find it interesting that Galento stopped posting after Kieron did? On another note, EA bought Westwood long before EnB came out. Yes, they are largely responsible for killing for the other reasons listed, but it was really always EA's game. It's just that Larry Probst doesn't have a clue how to design, market, and develop a MMOG. This can amply be proven by the status of Sims Online and his utter shock and disbelief that WoW did so well after it was launched. Originally by: rowbin hod Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage.
F'nog	Posted - 2005.11.26 07:20:00 - [107] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Eris, please LOCK this THREAD, racist overture in the OP. Ooo, this thread finally got the attention of CCP's newest overlord. His word is law. When he says something must be locked, no one can dispute him. Let's all bow down before Derovius' wisdom. Originally by: rowbin hod Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2005.11.26 07:26:00 - [108] Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Derovius Vaden Eris, please LOCK this THREAD, racist overture in the OP. Ooo, this thread finally got the attention of CCP's newest overlord. His word is law. When he says something must be locked, no one can dispute him. Let's all bow down before Derovius' wisdom. Names' Emperor, thanks.
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2005.11.26 08:00:00 - [109] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Eris, please LOCK this THREAD, racist overture in the OP. If you were interested in getting this thread locked, you would have e-mailed [email protected]. However, you're just interested in being a pain in the ass. --------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.11.26 08:15:00 - [110] well puming that much money into the eve economy can lead to interesting thigns ie like funding more PVP due to minerals being cheaper in high sec leading to more stuff being produced and more combat. As for the ISK farming well just keep reporting them
Mr Popov	Posted - 2005.11.26 08:39:00 - [111] Edited by: Mr Popov on 26/11/2005 08:42:52 Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Marie Sklodowska Quote: By bidding on this auction you are stating that you are in NO way affiliated with CCP, Simon and Schuster or a Viacom affiliated company. hahaha..they think this "disclaimer" legally protects them from CCP employees buying and tracking them down? This is just a re-written version of the Internet Privacy and Protection Act signed by Bill Clinton in 1995. There is no such act, and just because you write a good sounding "disclaimer" doesn't protect you, it's only a flag to show that you are doing something illegal and are trying to cover your tracks. Snopes page about it, for info. Hmm a website stating the legitmacy of claims made on the Internet. That certainly begs the question... Interesting link nontheless EDIT: Bah I just noticed the source on the bottom the page Sources: Healey, Jon. "Some Web Sites Are Posting a 'Keep Out' Sign to Law Enforcement." Los Angeles Times. 19 November 2002 (p. C1).
Pottsey	Posted - 2005.11.26 08:49:00 - [112] E&B started great but it died not only because of lack of new content and few players but also it was getting far too silly. Towards there end there where teddybears that fit into module slots that give you a big hug to boost amour hitpoints. One of the last epics to be added was speak to the redneck space faring race, do a bunch of pointless stuff like find feathers in space make a fishing rod. Go to the broken gate activate the fishing rod and you got taken to an underwater area with giant fish. Actually the underwater area with giant alien fish was pretty good and better then its sounds. E&B mixed space and ships that go planet side very well. The problem was how you got to the giant alien fish epic it was just silly. More on topic I donÆt see a problem with E-bay buying and selling. It doesnÆt seem have much of an impact on the game. More so if someone is quitting and want to sell there character as a package before they move on. What different does it make if you give it all to a friend or sell it all to a friend. Give it away and everyoneÆs ok, Sell it to the same person you would give it to and everyone says it wrong. Why? To Eve and all the other players there is no difference. What I do have a problem with are fleets of macro miners moving into a belt striping the belt, then system leaving nothing for other miners. _________________________________________________ Nominate famous people in Eve who had an impact on you.
Nuala Reece	Posted - 2005.11.26 10:37:00 - [113] Originally by: F'nog Anyone else find it interesting that Galento stopped posting after Kieron did? And that Brechan Skene quickly picked up the slack where Galento left off? Albeit from the other direction but being just as encouraging of people buying isk from the macro miners. I agree with Pottsey - individual players playing the game, putting in time and effort and then choosing to sell their items, minerals and isk on ebay I don't much mind. But the large scale macro mining operations are a different thing. The argument of helping poor asian people escape from sex slavery, Brechan (deeply flawed, widely generalized and bordering on racist stereotyping) might hold a small amount of water in a game where some continuing effort is needed to farm it. But where a single person can maintain a number of accounts running simultaneously with little or no effort or attention I don't see how this makes it particularly reasonable that isk farming Eve can be portrayed as some kind of social saviour. Small scale buying and selling may have little effect on the game, its community or its economy - potentially it may even benefit the game. But the large scale farming that's been growing over the last few months can only be damaging. It's causing discontent among the community, devaluing the rl value of isk and devaluing the ingame value of isk and low end ore. Also it draws away from the atmosphere of the game. Groups of newbs working together to mine a 1.0 belt looks right, it fits, because they're taking an active part in the game and through that become a part of it. Groups of 4 day old characters with strings of numbers for names, mechanically (and absently) farming the same belt look wrong, they contribute nothing other than to break the suspension of disbelief. It's a qualitative difference, but an important one for me. Be Free Starlancers
Ramses OverDark	Posted - 2005.11.26 11:32:00 - [114] Originally by: Dark Shikari I think he's saying that not all Chinese are farmers, not that most farmers aren't Chinese. Its extremely important to avoid stereotyping or racism when hunting down farmers and macro miners. No, it isn't, it is simply poltically correct to say so, an i would add that "racism" isn't the issue here, no one is expressing opinion based on the colour of skin, if it's any "ism" it's nationalism, and since its a statistical truth, that most sweatshop macro ops ARE chinese, as proven by numerous reports in the online and published press, there are no "ism"s going on.
Irrilian	Posted - 2005.11.26 11:33:00 - [115] Originally by: Brechan Skene To whom it concerns, What is all the big problem with macro mining and E-bayers. It is just a choice selection within the game called tactics. I remember when we were in the BETA phase that CCP was not concerned with this stuff. Remember EvE IS A GAME IT IS NOT THE 'REAL WORLD'. GET OVER IT. STOP WHINGEING. IT IS PATHETIC. (snip) As a new player whom doesnÆt buy ISK and so far has principally earned an income through mining, macro mining and ebaying/secondary market companies negatively impact upon me in a number of ways: Depression of high sec mineral prices. Macro mining produces a glut of minerals on the market, driving down prices. Not just Trit either, a month ago I was able to see Isogen in Jita fairly quickly for around 138, Im having a hard time moving it at 134. Only a few percent so far, but the trend is a concern. Thus a smaller income for me. Competition for a limited resource. I have to compete with macro miners for the same roid spawns, but while Im jet can mining on my own theyÆre snarfing up entire belts with fleets of ships. Indeed Ive pretty much given up on trying to mine Omber at the moment. The little out of the way places that I used to cultivate Omber roids have been decimated by macro miners, Ive been forced out onto mining the less profitable Kernite. Thus a smaller income for me. Inflation. Another form of competition, but this time on the market with my fellow players. With a market driven by supply and demand of the players, an influx of cash in the hands of some with drive up prices for the things they commonly purchase. E.g. if a seller places items on the market for x and theyÆre snapped up quickly, next time he may increase his price a little to earn a larger profit. This isnÆt something that will be readily observed with individual transactions, but an overall upward drift in prices, that is inflation. Thus it costs me more to purchase things. Thus as an honest player I get it from both ends thanks to macroers and isk buyers: I earn less and have to pay more. Moreover why do you think you are the only one that values their time? I only have a limited amount of time I can invest in the game. YouÆre not the only one with demands of real life, yet I and the vast majority of players donÆt cheat. - - - Eve University Capital Module Shop
Samurai Pumpkin	Posted - 2005.11.26 11:49:00 - [116] Shikari is right on the money here. I'm one of those players that used to make a living off of high sec mining. My 4 Covies are in storage for now. I used to watch the market for some really good offers but now I only feel disgust when I look at the sell prices on isk. There is no way that someone would sell thier trit for such crappy prices. Mining is boring but it pays, that's the tradeoff. Mining is supposed to pay more than solo agent missions but that is hardly the case anymore.
Boonaki	Posted - 2005.11.26 11:56:00 - [117] I'm kind of curious as to how the macroers can run 30 medium mining barges 23 hours a day 7 days a week. It just blows me away. Fear the Ibis of doom.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.11.26 12:23:00 - [118] Originally by: Brechan Skene A) How? It has not effected you in anyway. Could you please be a bit more specific 'cry baby'(). Read through some other threads and educate yourself on the matter before jumping into a debate half way thru with flames. A lot of good points have been made on how it negatively impacts other players.
LWMaverick	Posted - 2005.11.26 12:41:00 - [119] Originally by: Boonaki I'm kind of curious as to how the macroers can run 30 medium mining barges 23 hours a day 7 days a week. It just blows me away. A couple of computers, a macro program (i google'd it and found alot of different programs that could actually make me "afk" mine) Or maybe some scripts based upon choosing "random" roids/belts and so on. A friend of mine told me how they might do those scripts, something with using the data and information going in and out... Dont ask exactly how, cause i dont know. With great power, comes great responsibility.
Xannite	Posted - 2005.11.26 13:16:00 - [120] Join channel #anti-macro ingame.

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