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Kourdus
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.02 11:11:00 -
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here's a thought from a noob.
how about all the low sec people stop f*ckin worrying so much about what the high-sec miners are doing, and start shooting at the people who are already in low sec...you know, the ones that will actually shoot back at you.
stop trolling for easy defenseless kills, and fight each other already. |
Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations
1471
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Posted - 2013.08.02 11:27:00 -
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Maybe if level 3 missions in low-sec gave the same reward as level 4 missions in high sec, it would encourage people to run missions in low sec without having to risk sacrificing an expensive ship which has no chance of surviving an encounter with other players. They could use a cheaper ship with greater PvP capabilities (like a buffer tanked BC) to run the missions for the same reward as they would receive running level 4s in high-sec. I think that kind of risk vs. reward model would be a lot more appealing for most mission runners and make the game a lot more exciting for them, and for gankers too. Oh god. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Tribal Band
768
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Posted - 2013.08.02 11:39:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Maybe if level 3 missions in low-sec gave the same reward as level 4 missions in high sec, it would encourage people to run missions in low sec without having to risk sacrificing an expensive ship which has no chance of surviving an encounter with other players. They could use a cheaper ship with greater PvP capabilities (like a buffer tanked BC) to run the missions for the same reward as they would receive running level 4s in high-sec. I think that kind of risk vs. reward model would be a lot more appealing for most mission runners and make the game a lot more exciting for them, and for gankers too.
a global change to the reward scaling for missions ?
might cause a small uproar with a certain crowd, but as possibilities go, it's not unreasonable
[edit] @ Mycool
the mineral content of asteroids has recently been altered high security space is now the least profitable place to be for mining
CCP have made mining lo-sec ores more profitable, and it hasn't worked
the people that want to be in lo-sec are there already the people that don't want to be there, aren't
you CANNOT make people go to lo-sec trying just breaks other areas of the game |
Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations
1471
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Posted - 2013.08.02 11:44:00 -
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Yeah, I'm not saying level 4s should be buffed in low-sec though because I think that could easily be abused. If anything, maybe remove level 4s from low-sec completely and jump straight from level 3s to level 5s. Oh god. |
SKINE DMZ
YouView INC
85
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Posted - 2013.08.02 11:48:00 -
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I am making more money in lowsec running anomalies and belts for rats than doing missions in highsec |
March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
730
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Posted - 2013.08.02 11:48:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:
Outside the EvE bubble and certain websites (like Massively) EvE is mentioned like a side note. Which is why the game is at 500k with all the alt accounts. Like with games like EQ/EQII you have to specifically search for them to even know their existence.
And you never understand that this is a great thing. Quality things tend to be like this. Most of us prefer quality over useless quantity. i guess you would vote against public education too? |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
400
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Posted - 2013.08.02 15:04:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:
Outside the EvE bubble and certain websites (like Massively) EvE is mentioned like a side note. Which is why the game is at 500k with all the alt accounts. Like with games like EQ/EQII you have to specifically search for them to even know their existence.
And you never understand that this is a great thing. Quality things tend to be like this. Most of us prefer quality over useless quantity. i guess you would vote against public education too?
Not really, a good education is quality after all. Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
you're welcome |
baltec1
Bat Country
7462
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Posted - 2013.08.02 15:10:00 -
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March rabbit wrote: i guess you would vote against public education too?
Only the low quality stuff. We all need more science and less art/religious education/sex education. |
Achronatar
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.08.02 15:55:00 -
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It's true all the time I can run carebear Lvl4 missions in a ship worth a fair few iskies in High Sec why would I go to Low Sec and risk my shiny chrome BS?
Not only that Lvl4 missions generate me lots more iskies with which to bling my ship with ever more shiny shiny stuffs.
Until such times as I feel like I want to risk a ship scanning down DEDs in Low Sec then running them all the while watching my back I'm not going to go there.
Likewise why would a solo miner go there? Risk is too great.
However, a well organised corp could have miners and fighters to defend the miners......but then that's what you end up doing in Null so........
There's never going to be an easy answer......
Oh and as for news:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23489293
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15876
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Posted - 2013.08.02 16:03:00 -
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HmmGǪ the largest (and, really, only) problem I saw with living in lowsec was that it was impossible to pre-emptively secure your space without incurring sec status penalties. I kind of wished that CW2.0 had fixed thatGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations
1476
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Posted - 2013.08.02 17:48:00 -
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I'm not sure what that means. Oh god. |
Cpt Arareb
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
55
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Posted - 2013.08.02 18:18:00 -
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imho lowsec pop is fine now, the overhaul of fw helped alot, now is not so rare to find a fight in lowsec, mining huh, well, I find a mining barge in lowsec belt I will atack it, if I see 100 mining barges, im gonna grab friends or even bathphone someone that own a titan or blops to drop a fleet of destruction and death and im sure im not the only one that would do that, this all to say: mining in lowsec? - sure, just dont expect to survive for long |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
636
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Posted - 2013.08.02 19:20:00 -
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Make some noise man. The wasps will leave the woodwork. Lowsec may have some problems but those aren't about population. Income levels... perhaps. In my opinion the tags helped somewhat. I get more belt fights. If you want more people in lowsec, start conquering lowsec. Not for the profit or the space, but for the principle and causuality. I don't know about you but I'm a 30m SP CEO with 2 years of experience. A small tigershark if you will. Missions bore me and so does null. Kick up and the great whites will bite down. If I can get someone so butthurt they spike my local with 40+ pilots, so can you. The incentive then becomes not getting your ISK making space stuff wrecked and warding off attacks. Enough reason for me to stick around untill evicted. I can't stand null F1 PVP and lowsec is lolsec. |
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Pixel Navigators
84
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Posted - 2013.08.03 07:26:00 -
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Mycool Jahksn wrote:Kitty Bear wrote:March rabbit wrote:Kitty Bear wrote:it's not a ccp created problem, ergo nothing is broken there is no problem to solve from a development viewpoint you know what it means don't you? Hint: players speak "if it's not broken don't fix it!" not without reason in a nutshell ...... the players that don't go to lo-sec, don't go to lo-sec because they don't want to go to lo-sec it's not complicated, it's not hard to understand CCP have implemented lots of activities for players to do in lo-sec FW offensive & Defensive Complexes FW agents Standard Mission Agents Asteroid Belts Gas Clouds Ice Mining 'clouds' Incursions L5 mission agents (totally unavailable in high-sec) NPC ships at asteroid belts Wormholes and Anomalies Moons to anchor POS's at Full Station Services Other MMO's use 'pre-scripted gameplay' .. (that means developer led, just a fyi) Eve is all about 'emergent gameplay' ... (that means player led, yes, another fyi moment) the list above, is a list of tools that players can use, or not use as they see fit, to create their own content ccp have tried to influence lo-sec activity in recent times ... such as with data-cores. an act that pretty much destroyed a pre-existing mini-career path in the game But none of those aspects that you listed are unique or lucrative enough to make it worthwhile. It has been said a thousand times already; you can get said items or services safely elsewhere. Also, I don't buy the "lowsec is fine already" talk. Sure, there might be a select few systems that are populated but I fully remember traveling through lowsec space a few days back and it was completely empty. I remember a couple of systems that had a couple of guys in them but they were all docked up safely in the station. So all you "i do all my shyte in lowsec", explain why people in lowsec spend their entire time sitting in a station? I'll explain it to you; There isn't anything out there in lowsec space worth undocking for. End of story.
And there it is. Non low sec resident travelled "through low sec space a few days back" and now he's going to save us all from ourselves.
Did you ever consider that those empty systems you passed through are probably someone's prime exploration spots where they can run sites and actually start to assess each time someone pops up in local whether its safe for them to keep running explo at that time?
Or did you ever consider that the vast tracts of empty systems actually create a few hot spots of activity as people organically flock to certain systems because that's where other players are? We moved into a quiet little faction warfare system and held it, and now we have multiple pirates living in system with us who we occasionally gank or get ganked by, and they moved here because we moved here, and we stay here because enemy militia knows we're here and come to us looking for fights. It's an interesting dynamic to see in practice and it only happens because there isn't activity in every system all the time, it allows hot spots to develop naturally and it's awesome.
Or did you ever consider that the majority of low sec systems being very quiet is what gives it it's frontier atmosphere which is why most of us live here? You can chose tons of systems that isn't heavily occupied and call it home for your corp. you can roam through empty systems and know that when someone else jumps into a system you're passing through they're sizing you up just like you're sizing them up. Low sec isn't mean to be "hi sec only you can shoot each other" chock full of faceless bads, and if you don't even live here I don't understand why you thought your insights were going to be particularly valuable.
Go visit Amamake, it's exactly the kind of place with a population problem you describe and I'm sure the one or two small corps that base out of there would be glad to welcome you.
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Moneta Curran
Lunar Industries Ltd
128
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Posted - 2013.08.03 22:04:00 -
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Achronatar wrote:It's true all the time I can run carebear Lvl4 missions in a ship worth a fair few iskies in High Sec why would I go to Low Sec and risk my shiny chrome BS?
Not only that Lvl4 missions generate me lots more iskies with which to bling my ship with ever more shiny shiny stuffs.
Until such times as I feel like I want to risk a ship scanning down DEDs in Low Sec then running them all the while watching my back I'm not going to go there.
Likewise why would a solo miner go there? Risk is too great.
If your only concern and concept of this game is limited to how much isk you can rake in without ever getting thwarted, if you only care for a predictable routine of steady progression, without any upsets or surprises, you will never understand. Stay in your bubble.
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Seraph Essael
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
72
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Posted - 2013.08.04 03:58:00 -
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Remove all the tech moons from Fountain and place them in lowsec... Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
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