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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2303
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Posted - 2013.06.27 17:31:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Khira Kitamatsu wrote: What I have learned is - this is just like WoW...no it is worse than WOW - and out WoW's - WoW! In world of Warcraft you can grind for certain things to turn in to NPC's to fix your rating(or grind mobs), but in EVE the drop rate for tags is beyond abysmal - it is pathetic. At least in WoW the drop rates for the items you need is bearable and you won't pull your hair out while grinding for them.
It's funny how you answered your Title question in your first post. EVE is further from WoW, for the exact reason above that you try to claim they are the same. In EVE, you have REAL loss, and REAL consequences to your actions. In Wow you can make a "mistake" and find a relatively easy way to fix it. In EVE those mistakes can really hurt.
Well said.
That's what the OP boils down to: asking CCP to give him an easier way to fix HIS mistake, just like most games (like WoW) does.
It's here that you notice the start difference in the reasons play games. Some of us play for the challenge and don't want a game to do everything for us. Others play to artificially boost their egos (to get away from the fail that is their real lives lol), and most game makes aid and abet such players by making them "THE HERO" in damn near every game that isn't EVE.
Hero's shouldn't be held responsible for their mistakes, the game should give magical powers of "fixing it" so that they can finish being the hero in enough time for them to make it to class at DeVry Institute...... |

Winter Archipelago
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
42
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Posted - 2013.06.27 17:35:00 -
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EvE is only like WoW if you want it to be like WoW. Those who don't want it to be like WoW make sure it isn't. They're usually called 'pirates' and 'PvP'ers'. Enjoy! Ransoms are accepted in Isk, Ships, Mods, and Dolls. |

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
294
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Posted - 2013.06.27 17:45:00 -
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Winter Archipelago wrote:EvE is only like WoW if you want it to be like WoW. Those who don't want it to be like WoW make sure it isn't. They're usually called 'pirates' and 'PvP'ers'. Enjoy!
But it doesn't work like that. What's successful is in the model WoW uses. Can't clone it, that will fail. But the production values, yes. That's why WoW is successful, it got it's ducks in the row and did it right...quality mattered.
To work against that is defeating the quality of the game. It's a kin to someone not wanting to give up Windows XP for nothing but they're used to it. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Evei Shard
199
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Posted - 2013.06.27 18:37:00 -
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Khira Kitamatsu wrote: Oh...and why is it that when it comes to finding the tags I need, all but the ones I need drop?! I find all manner of tags I don't need. Don't need Fed tags - they drop by the bushel. Don't need Blood tags...not a problem...run a few missions and you have hundreds filling your cargo hold.
The highlighted/italicized text may be part of your problem.
If you are searching for tags by killing the people you are trying to gain standing with, the result will be less than satisfactory.
Profit favors the prepared |

Khira Kitamatsu
660
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Posted - 2013.06.27 18:42:00 -
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Evei Shard wrote:Khira Kitamatsu wrote: Oh...and why is it that when it comes to finding the tags I need, all but the ones I need drop?! I find all manner of tags I don't need. Don't need Fed tags - they drop by the bushel. Don't need Blood tags...not a problem...run a few missions and you have hundreds filling your cargo hold.
The highlighted/italicized text may be part of your problem. If you are searching for tags by killing the people you are trying to gain standing with, the result will be less than satisfactory.
Fed tags were dropped by NPC's that were part of the mission(that I didn't even kill,other NPC's killed them). It was a Serpentis mission.
Ponies!-á We need more ponies! |

Evei Shard
199
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Posted - 2013.06.27 18:46:00 -
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Khira Kitamatsu wrote:Evei Shard wrote:Khira Kitamatsu wrote: Oh...and why is it that when it comes to finding the tags I need, all but the ones I need drop?! I find all manner of tags I don't need. Don't need Fed tags - they drop by the bushel. Don't need Blood tags...not a problem...run a few missions and you have hundreds filling your cargo hold.
The highlighted/italicized text may be part of your problem. If you are searching for tags by killing the people you are trying to gain standing with, the result will be less than satisfactory. Fed tags were dropped by NPC's that were part of the mission(that I didn't even kill,other NPC's killed them). It was a Serpentis mission.
Juuuust checking. I've run into pilots that overlooked that little detail when running missions. Profit favors the prepared |

Short Stack122
Noblesse Oblige. Cult of War
2
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Posted - 2013.06.27 18:49:00 -
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Khira Kitamatsu wrote:
Excuse me...I was just a peaceful miner, until CCP forced me to start doing other things. Like running missions, exploration, killing other players...I had no ideal that this games racial factions actually mattered because I was always told that in high-sec you can go anywhere and the only thing you need to worry about is can flippers and the occasional wannabe ganker- because I was a miner. I didn't do anything to harm my rating.
Until just recently. I decided to join corp mates running missions.
BTW this has nothing to do with what you went on about....I am talking about fixing my rating. There should be a reasonable way to fix it. EVEN IN WOW - there is a way to fix your ratings that isn't masochistic.
Not in EVE!
as an orca pilot you have been playing this game MUCH longer than i have and even i know that CCP has NEVER and will NEVER force me to do anything.
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
296
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Posted - 2013.06.27 18:51:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Nonsense
Look, Jenn, your over the top fanboism is a trolling act of all time, but please don't claim to know something from a game you don't play.
That's called hypocrisy. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Khira Kitamatsu
661
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Posted - 2013.06.27 19:01:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:Khira Kitamatsu wrote: What I have learned is - this is just like WoW...no it is worse than WOW - and out WoW's - WoW! In world of Warcraft you can grind for certain things to turn in to NPC's to fix your rating(or grind mobs), but in EVE the drop rate for tags is beyond abysmal - it is pathetic. At least in WoW the drop rates for the items you need is bearable and you won't pull your hair out while grinding for them.
It's funny how you answered your Title question in your first post. EVE is further from WoW, for the exact reason above that you try to claim they are the same. In EVE, you have REAL loss, and REAL consequences to your actions. In Wow you can make a "mistake" and find a relatively easy way to fix it. In EVE those mistakes can really hurt. Well said. That's what the OP boils down to: asking CCP to give him an easier way to fix HIS mistake, just like most games (like WoW) does. It's here that you notice the start difference in the reasons play games. Some of us play for the challenge and don't want a game to do everything for us. Others play to artificially boost their egos (to get away from the fail that is their real lives lol), and most game makes aid and abet such players by making them "THE HERO" in damn near every game that isn't EVE. Hero's shouldn't be held responsible for their mistakes, the game should give magical powers of "fixing it" so that they can finish being the hero in enough time for them to make it to class at DeVry Institute......
You assume too much. Ponies!-á We need more ponies! |

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
688
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Posted - 2013.06.27 19:08:00 -
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Eve is real. I saw it on the internet. Therefore Eve is not wow because pandas don't exist IRL. we're gonna make them eat our ship, then ship out our ship, and then eat their ship that's made up of our ship that we made 'em eat. |

Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
148
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Posted - 2013.06.27 19:48:00 -
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You can sit at a mission hub for fed navy and pay people to fleet you and share mission reward to repair your standings.
Edit: Also if your getting shot by the gal navy you may be able to increase your standings using social skills to the point you don't get shot anymore. assuming you never trained social skills yet. And your not to low in the - to get above -5.
Edit 2: I am true standings around -5.5 with both Caldari and Amarr but I don't get shot at because my social skills bring it up to around -3.5 or so. At lvl4. |

Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
148
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Posted - 2013.06.27 20:20:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:So, here you have WOW  And there you have Eve  They have both one thing in common amongst many others: pixels, it's all about pixels. PLUS Neither are Candy Crush Saga Which has more players than both EVE and WOW combined! I demand we make EVE more like Candy Crush! If we're really serious about the game, CCP has to acknowledge that their business model is wrong in comparison to Candy Crush! ... Psst, guess who I was imitating? :P
Go to the F&I section and demand a candy crush mini-game for all mining activities.
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Barron Hammerstrike
RISK Inc.
28
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Posted - 2013.06.27 21:32:00 -
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Couldn't you just buy the tags you needed?
Also-- go back to WoW. there is no old system anymore |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2937
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Posted - 2013.06.28 00:52:00 -
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Eve does not have pandas.
And if it did get pandas, we would get a chance to shoot them.
That's your difference.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15286
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Posted - 2013.06.28 00:56:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Eve does not have pandas.
And if it did get pandas, we would get a chance to shoot them. Relevant GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
149
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Posted - 2013.06.28 00:59:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Eve does not have pandas.
And if it did get pandas, we would get a chance to shoot them. Relevant
Confirming, having **** shoot back makes it funner.
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Gallowmere Rorschach
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
259
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Posted - 2013.06.28 01:05:00 -
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I find it strange that all of this is based around faction standing whine. Last I checked, faction ships don't scram. Warp away. There are pirates who roll around highsec with very low faction standings as well as terrible sec status.
What's the problem again? |

Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
21
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Posted - 2013.06.28 01:39:00 -
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Since people have already given answers on how to fix faction standings, I'll leave this explanation of the difference between WoW and EVE.
Anonymous Player wrote:WoW holds your hand from 1-90, and makes sure you get a cookie regardless if you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place. The Nosy Gamer - Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength - Eric Hoffer |

Fairren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
36
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Posted - 2013.06.28 23:17:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:De'Veldrin wrote:
The question I'd really like answered is this one:
If you dislike Eve as much as you appear to on the forums, why are you still playing it? I mean that seriously. Why are you subjecting yourself to a voluntary experience that you dislike that much? Do you also routinely volunteer for skin abrasions, public flogging, and being water boarded?
Been asking that question for years, and never once got answer let alone a rational one. I doubt you'll get answer as well. I know. I never get an answer either. Usually just misdirection, an abrupt change of subject, or an ad hominem. But I keep trying. Hope is a virtue, even when it chances to be misplaced.
It happened again.
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Look, Jenn, your over the top fanboism is a trolling act of all time, but please don't claim to know something from a game you don't play.
That's called hypocrisy.
Over the top fanboism is constantly posting in the EVE forums about how awesome WoW is. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3746
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Posted - 2013.06.29 03:52:00 -
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Rosewalker wrote:Since people have already given answers on how to fix faction standings, I'll leave this explanation of the difference between WoW and EVE. Anonymous Player wrote:WoW holds your hand from 1-90, and makes sure you get a cookie regardless if you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place. Joke's on EVE, I already right-clicked on the cookie in my cargohold and used it. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
TEST Defence, Please Ignore |

Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1231
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Posted - 2013.06.29 04:04:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Mr Kidd wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Khira Kitamatsu wrote: Who is this Dagan you speak of? Where can I find him?
Go to the Arnon solar system, dock in the Sisters Of Eve station and get the first part of the arc from the agent Sister Alitura, the whole arc is somewhere between lvl 1 and lvl 2 mission difficulty, it's 50 missions in total but they're all quick and easy apart from Dagan, you should be able to do the whole thing in a destroyer or cruiser if your skills are up to scratch. http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/The_Blood-Stained_StarsYou're hardly a newbie going by your character age, we shouldn't have to tell you these things. Kudos to you for helping that person's lost soul. BTW, I'd no idea about this arc to fix standing. So I can understand. Not that my standing was ever messed up to the point I needed to fix it. A mentor told me long ago..."Do not run faction missions". It's a mantra I live by to this day. Thank God I live in w-space. But many of you should understand that there are plenty of things about this game that people who've played for years don't know. Noone can know it all. I will definitely file this in a note for those I run across that don't want to grind roid belts to increase standing. The SOE arc is normally suggested by an agent at the end of the tutorials, which is why I assumed (DOH!) that people knew about it.
Oh, there's that word again....tut.....tutor.......tutori.......yeah, never heard of 'em!
HTFU!...for the children! |

Kult Altol
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
527
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Posted - 2013.06.29 05:03:00 -
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I don't know if this was mentioned, but some people like the grind.
The tag drop might be low for an individual, but as you can see they are dropping. An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind. -irregardless, I'm with Yolo Swaggins, and the followship of the bling.-á |

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
320
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Posted - 2013.06.29 06:34:00 -
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Fairren wrote: Over the top fanboism is constantly posting in the EVE forums about how awesome WoW is.
You didn't know that when I was on the WoW forums, I was posting about the features like in EvE.
Hint: no WoW player will claim I'm a fanboi, just as no EvE player or EQII or RIFT or Battlefield player for their franchises. I'm not brand loyal, I'm a gamer first.
It's the features that count, not the game title. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3271
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Posted - 2013.06.29 08:59:00 -
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Khira Kitamatsu wrote:Six Six Six wrote:All MMOs that I've played have a grinding element within them.
I don't consider EVE being the same as WoW, but than I left WoW just before the Panda invasion.
Can't you just buy the tags from the market? Sure...I can waste millions on buying tags - that is not the issue. The issue is I should have a reasonable alternative...not a sadistic, twisted, one....a reasonable one. That is not the case. You try and go collect the required tags needed for the Data Center missions and tell me it is reasonable.
They only drop in missions against other factions. EVE is about consequencesm you are suffering the consequences for your actions. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |

Kult Altol
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
528
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Posted - 2013.06.29 11:54:00 -
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As a CCP carebear fanboi I do believe eve came out first before wow, and had missions. So if anything blizzard copied CCP. An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind. -irregardless, I'm with Yolo Swaggins, and the followship of the bling.-á |

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
321
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Posted - 2013.06.29 12:12:00 -
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Kult Altol wrote:As a CCP carebear fanboi I do believe eve came out first before wow, and had missions. So if anything blizzard copied CCP.
WoW is a web version of the Warcraft series (I vanilla / II TBC / III WotLK) that came before even Ultima came online (the first MMO). When folks say it's old, it's old.
Only older MMO with pre-1996 internet presence would be DDO, with it's ties with D&D (now that's older than dirt, where the RPG all began). "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
321
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Posted - 2013.06.29 12:28:00 -
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...it's so different because on the WoW forums I would have been banned a long time ago for calling you people assholes, pussies and brainless doucebags? |

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
321
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Posted - 2013.06.29 12:36:00 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:...it's so different because on the WoW forums I would have been banned a long time ago for calling you people assholes, pussies and brainless doucebags?
Only upto a year ago.
If you didn't cuss out a dev, you could seriously troll the forums like trade chat (which WAS worse than anything seen on the forums as it's moderated...when they troll about pedophilia, yeah, WoW's chat can be quite b-a-d).
And don't forget anything related to Moon Guard (mildly put the deviant sex server)...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnLe64VXYkk
Don't let anyone tell you WoW is JUST a kiddie game. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10436
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Posted - 2013.06.29 12:46:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Kult Altol wrote:As a CCP carebear fanboi I do believe eve came out first before wow, and had missions. So if anything blizzard copied CCP. WoW is a web version of the Warcraft series (I vanilla / II TBC / III WotLK) that came before even Ultima came online (the first MMO). When folks say it's old, it's old. Only older MMO with pre-1996 internet presence would be DDO, with it's ties with D&D (now that's older than dirt, where the RPG all began).
And EVE is effectively a web version of Elite, which came out in 1984...
1 Kings 12:11
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Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
26
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Posted - 2013.06.29 13:54:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Kult Altol wrote:As a CCP carebear fanboi I do believe eve came out first before wow, and had missions. So if anything blizzard copied CCP. WoW is a web version of the Warcraft series (I vanilla / II TBC / III WotLK) that came before even Ultima came online (the first MMO). When folks say it's old, it's old. Only older MMO with pre-1996 internet presence would be DDO, with it's ties with D&D (now that's older than dirt, where the RPG all began).

For those who don't understand why this is a troll, the off-line Warcraft series was Warcraft: Orcs & Humans, Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness and Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos. Unlike DDO, which tried to simulate the mechanics of paper and pencil D&D, I really don't think you can state that WoW took anything from a series of RTS games except the IP. The games Mr. Troll listed as "came before even Ultima came online" are the original WoW that came out in 2004, and expansions that came out in 2007 and 2008. And really, UO was the first MMORPG? Try Meridian 59.
For the gameplay of WoW itself, it was influenced heavily by Everquest. So much so that Blizzard was even hiring leaders of major EQ guilds in an effort to lure EQ players to WoW. What WoW did was polish up the existing MMORPG features and present something that players liked without all the bad stuff in EQ that mad players rage-quit and unsubscribe.
But since he got Malcanis, I give this troll 10/10.
The Nosy Gamer - Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength - Eric Hoffer |
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