This threa ds going places. And by going I mean straight to and by places I mean HELL.

EVE is not WoW. If you don't want to bomb your standings, don't bomb your standings. Learn what to do and do it, don't be irresponsible. That's the difference between EVE and every other game, YOU are responsible for you enjoyment.

It's why some people want EVe to be like other games, so they don't have to be bothered with thinking.

All MMOs that I've played have a grinding element within them.

I don't consider EVE being the same as WoW, but than I left WoW just before the Panda invasion.

Can't you just buy the tags from the market?

All MMOs that I've played have a grinding element within them.

I don't consider EVE being the same as WoW, but than I left WoW just before the Panda invasion.

Can't you just buy the tags from the market?

There should be a reasonable way to fix it.

So tell me how EVE is the furthest thing from WoW

There is, the answer you seek is in the first reply, run the arc, for the penultimate mission (Dagan) team up with the faction you need a boost for, it's even a penalty free boost as it won't negatively impact any other faction standings.

EVE is the farthest thing from WoW.

Who is this Dagan you speak of? Where can I find him?

Go to the Arnon solar system, dock in the Sisters Of Eve station and get the first part of the arc from the agent Sister Alitura, the whole arc is somewhere between lvl 1 and lvl 2 mission difficulty, it's 50 missions in total but they're all quick and easy apart from Dagan, you should be able to do the whole thing in a destroyer or cruiser if your skills are up to scratch.

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/The_Blood-Stained_Stars

You're hardly a newbie going by your character age, we shouldn't have to tell you these things.

EVE is the farthest thing from WoW.

EVE is not WoW.

in eve your choices has consequences that effect how you experience the game .

No different than what you experience in WoW. If you didn't grind that Shado-Pan rep in 5.1, and RNG didn't play fair, you weren't getting the gear. No gear is like no skills in EvE, and it sucks.

There's really not much difference in these MMOs. In EvE the only RNG you really face is what loot that may drop from a ship, but it won't effect how you play in itself (as you can just buy it...all that faction gear is up for sale). WoW soulbound gear can't be sold, if you didn't get it from a drop, it's not on the market to buy. The game can be a real grind especially for tier pieces for their bonuses.

EvE gates content by making it expensive to PvP or have prime areas controlled by some blob. WoW gates content by instance timers and RNG for loot drops and making the best gear soulbound.

So if someone is complaining that raising their security status in EvE reminds them of the 5.1 faction grind in WoW, they are right, it's very similar (although the better description would be the PvP faction grind, that in WoW hasn't changed. To get that Justicar title takes longer than COSMOs rep...I'll get the COSMOs rep to 5.0 before the WoW BG faction rep to exalted, despite 3 years of grinding).

And it's good to see that CCP is watching the gorilla, and adjusting EvE to not make the same mistakes and keeping up with the trends (loved the Cata barb with the resource changes -- and Cata was h-a-t-e-d in WoW, it's regarded as the worst expansion because it changed so much so fast and literally destroyed the world itself). The whine in MoP has been the long rep grind, EvE is making it easier to gain faction. That's how to shop and market for those 300,000 WoW unsubs (a consistent amount of players who keep unsubbing), too. WoW has so many players, and when so many don't like X, the competition marking Y as a fix, gains. BUT, never try to clone WoW. If a franchise can't be as good as WoW, it will fail (players have their mains in WoW for years, no point leaving it or their friends/family -- why so many MMOs fail, they all return home after 30 days or so). The best EvE can do is when WoW becomes boring is to be the alternative MMO, especially for those who are finished farming between patches. You have to tease them out, and alienating players is not the way to gain them -- and you want them as niche gaming doesn't draw in the cash so needed for development as game design isn't getting any cheaper. It's a snipering game to raise subs...and they won't stay...as the MMO community recycles the same players. This is why you don't alienate them, diss WoW, you diss your own community and vice-versa.

but that really depends on how view things and unfortunately i am unable to see pass my own prejudice aginst wow.

When you play both games, you'll see they're not that much different in scope.

So when I see comments about WoW is easier, I know that's untrue from experience. Actual game play is harder in WoW, EvE has higher consequences. So they balance each other out on the difficulty meter.

Now on the crafting side...yeah, EvE is m-u-c-h more comprehensive. No cutting 20 stacks of gems by a mailbox deal in EvE.

And I'll just leave this here: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/208-Eve-Online

Sure...I can waste millions on buying tags - that is not the issue. The issue is I should have a reasonable alternative...not a sadistic, twisted, one....a reasonable one. That is not the case. You try and go collect the required tags needed for the Data Center missions and tell me it is reasonable.

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GǪsoGǪ exactly what kind of tags were you hunting for, and where?

The problem is - the tags don't drop!

Excuse me...I was just a peaceful miner, until CCP forced me to start doing other things. Like running missions, exploration, killing other players...

Grind isk, buy tags, quit whining, grow a pair and stop being so damn pathetic.

I feel like I am playing World of Warcraft grinding for faction points. Did a few too many missions against Gallente Federation and my rating took a beating. Now I find myself grinding rats and missions to find tags so that I can turn them in to fix my rating with the Gallente.

The problem is - the tags don't drop!

What I have learned is - this is just like WoW...no it is worse than WOW - and out WoW's - WoW! In world of Warcraft you can grind for certain things to turn in to NPC's to fix your rating(or grind mobs), but in EVE the drop rate for tags is beyond abysmal - it is pathetic. At least in WoW the drop rates for the items you need is bearable and you won't pull your hair out while grinding for them.

In EVE - fraking good luck finding the tags you need.

In WoW, killing members of an opposing faction at least gives you points that go toward earning a good rating with the faction you are trying to improve your rating with. In EVE - doesn't matter how many you kill or how many missions you run. They don't count. Only certain missions count.

So this is what I learned. You can run 16 level 1 missions. After your 16th mission you will be offered a special mission. Finish the mission and earn a whole whopping .03 points toward fixing your rating!

Or...go hunt rats...for hours and hours....and hours...and hours...days....weeks...months...and get them tags! TAGS THAT DO NOT DROP!!!

Or...hey I know, like in WoW we can go buy what we need off the auction house or in this case - any market that someone is selling the "tags"(that do not drop). Yes...like WoW I can easily go to a market and spend a nice little fortune on the items I require to turn in to the NPC's to earn my faction rating back...just like - you guessed it - WoW!

This is why it reminds me of WoW...because WoW has things like this in it - things that become a grind - grinding is bad mmm'kay.

Oh...and why is it that when it comes to finding the tags I need, all but the ones I need drop?! I find all manner of tags I don't need. Don't need Fed tags - they drop by the bushel. Don't need Blood tags...not a problem...run a few missions and you have hundreds filling your cargo hold.

Forget COSMOS - you have to have a minimum of 0.0 rating to even get them to talk to you...which kinda of defeats the whole purpose of COSMOS - in that they were put in place to help repair your rating! Who thought this up? Seriously...what brain surgeon put his together?

If I want to grind...I'd go play WoW! This is suppose to be EVE and EVE is not suppose to be like WoW and yet, here I am, on the forum boards of EVE having to point out that EVE isn't so far from WoW as many people would have you believe. So I ask you...tell me how EVE is the furthest thing from WoW.

I love EVE...but Heyzoozs on a fricking stick...did you have to put such a horrendous grind into the one game that isn't suppose to be like all the others - especially that one other game? Frak!

Ace, keep in mind, many of us came from WoW, and instead of returning home, we decided "to hell with our trailerpark kneejerk parents, we're staying here where the game is less mindless". WoW, like most traditional mmos is far more about the reaction time than the plan. In all fairness, I would say that not even MWD frigate dogfighting in Eve requires the same reaction time as pvp in WoW. Eve counterbalances this with the preparation depth.

You said that gear in WoW is like SP in Eve. I would argue otherwise. I would say that your gear in WoW is like your ship/fit in Eve, whereas your SP is more like your character level and skill points, though since I haven't played since HMDS, I haven't seen the derped abomination that replaced the old wow skill system. Theorycrafting in WoW is all but dead. In Eve, it's ever evolving, as someone comes out with yet another counter to yet another doctrine.

Excuse me...I was just a peaceful miner, until CCP forced me to start doing other things. Like running missions, exploration, killing other players...I had no ideal that this games racial factions actually mattered because I was always told that in high-sec you can go anywhere and the only thing you need to worry about is can flippers and the occasional wannabe ganker- because I was a miner. I didn't do anything to harm my rating.

Your EVE plays like WoW because you're playing it like WoW.

You can if you like - EVE will let you do this. Just be aware that it doesn't force you to.

tl;dr: Because there are factions with standings, EVE is just like WoW.

All MMOs that I've played have a grinding element within them.

I don't consider EVE being the same as WoW, but than I left WoW just before the Panda invasion.

Can't you just buy the tags from the market?

I'm not blind to the faults in WoW, but I'm not just going to sit and watch players bash the game they either don't play or haven't played in years and claim EvE is just plain better (and they wouldn't want the same done with EvE). If they played and evaluated each, then their experience can be factored in, as they put the time in to know the difference.

I'm a gamer above all else. If X game has what is a nice feature, fanboism isn't going to get in the way of implementing it, as what's good for gaming is good for gamers (and worth the $$ and effort).

what server were you on? cus I had an UD rogue named sixsixsix and I think you stole my ****

The only difference between EvE and WoW is EvE is a space sim themed, WoW is a high fantasy themed.

When you stop fighting about the games itself, you then can appreciate both. And also understand marketing 101 better, let alone understanding that the MMO community is quite small and recycles the same pool of players. So every time you diss WoW, Jenn, you are dissing EvE players too. Few only play one MMO, we cycle through 2+ (or may even play 4 at a time...I used too).

PR wise, you're not helping EvE.

Time to take a chill pill, and just acknowledge the 800lb gorilla in the room exists, accept it and strive to make EvE at least equal in quality and performance (if anything Blizzard has is really good production standards, as they're the MMO leader and any slip they get chewed out for...which is why competition is healthy, especially for gamers as gamers get better games!).

freaking borg of WoW (Worg?)

Screw Blizzard and thempark MMOs and most gamers. Viva EVE (or EVE Libre....Libre it from these damn Wowbears) lol.

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Excuse me...I was just a peaceful miner, until CCP forced me to start doing other things.

Until just recently. I decided to join corp mates running missions.

I NOW SUMMON YE OH GREAT DEEPONE ACE UOWEME!! KALI MA! KALI MA! K'THULHU F'TANG!

So, here you have WOW

And there you have Eve

They have both one thing in common amongst many others: pixels, it's all about pixels.

PLUS

Neither are Candy Crush Saga

Which has more players than both EVE and WOW combined! I demand we make EVE more like Candy Crush! If we're really serious about the game, CCP has to acknowledge that their business model is wrong in comparison to Candy Crush!

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Psst, guess who I was imitating? :P

Shhh dont say that name, it may summon.... the unkind one





Well, the one that isn't me

thinking.

thinking.

THINKING?


THINKING?!?!?!

Go to the Arnon solar system, dock in the Sisters Of Eve station and get the first part of the arc from the agent Sister Alitura, the whole arc is somewhere between lvl 1 and lvl 2 mission difficulty, it's 50 missions in total but they're all quick and easy apart from Dagan, you should be able to do the whole thing in a destroyer or cruiser if your skills are up to scratch.

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/The_Blood-Stained_Stars

You're hardly a newbie going by your character age, we shouldn't have to tell you these things.

Thank you!

BTW - as I said in one of my previous post - I primarily was a miner(Orca pilot)...did some transporting - that's it.

I feel like I am playing World of Warcraft grinding for faction points. Did a few too many missions against Gallente Federation and my rating took a beating. Now I find myself grinding rats and missions to find tags so that I can turn them in to fix my rating with the Gallente.

The problem is - the tags don't drop!

What I have learned is - this is just like WoW...no it is worse than WOW - and out WoW's - WoW! In world of Warcraft you can grind for certain things to turn in to NPC's to fix your rating(or grind mobs), but in EVE the drop rate for tags is beyond abysmal - it is pathetic. At least in WoW the drop rates for the items you need is bearable and you won't pull your hair out while grinding for them.

In EVE - fraking good luck finding the tags you need.

In WoW, killing members of an opposing faction at least gives you points that go toward earning a good rating with the faction you are trying to improve your rating with. In EVE - doesn't matter how many you kill or how many missions you run. They don't count. Only certain missions count.

So this is what I learned. You can run 16 level 1 missions. After your 16th mission you will be offered a special mission. Finish the mission and earn a whole whopping .03 points toward fixing your rating!

Or...go hunt rats...for hours and hours....and hours...and hours...days....weeks...months...and get them tags! TAGS THAT DO NOT DROP!!!

Or...hey I know, like in WoW we can go buy what we need off the auction house or in this case - any market that someone is selling the "tags"(that do not drop). Yes...like WoW I can easily go to a market and spend a nice little fortune on the items I require to turn in to the NPC's to earn my faction rating back...just like - you guessed it - WoW!

This is why it reminds me of WoW...because WoW has things like this in it - things that become a grind - grinding is bad mmm'kay.

Oh...and why is it that when it comes to finding the tags I need, all but the ones I need drop?! I find all manner of tags I don't need. Don't need Fed tags - they drop by the bushel. Don't need Blood tags...not a problem...run a few missions and you have hundreds filling your cargo hold.

Forget COSMOS - you have to have a minimum of 0.0 rating to even get them to talk to you...which kinda of defeats the whole purpose of COSMOS - in that they were put in place to help repair your rating! Who thought this up? Seriously...what brain surgeon put his together?

If I want to grind...I'd go play WoW! This is suppose to be EVE and EVE is not suppose to be like WoW and yet, here I am, on the forum boards of EVE having to point out that EVE isn't so far from WoW as many people would have you believe. So I ask you...tell me how EVE is the furthest thing from WoW.

I love EVE...but Heyzoozs on a fricking stick...did you have to put such a horrendous grind into the one game that isn't suppose to be like all the others - especially that one other game? Frak!

Kudos to you for helping that person's lost soul. BTW, I'd no idea about this arc to fix standing. So I can understand. Not that my standing was ever messed up to the point I needed to fix it. A mentor told me long ago..."Do not run faction missions". It's a mantra I live by to this day. Thank God I live in w-space.

But many of you should understand that there are plenty of things about this game that people who've played for years don't know. Noone can know it all.

I will definitely file this in a note for those I run across that don't want to grind roid belts to increase standing.

I played WoW off and on for about 6 years.

WoW is one big ugly grindfest.... It's a themepark that guides each predictable step you take in agonizing redundancy...

IF EVE IS ANYTHING LIKE WOW I'M GETTING THE **** OUT NOW!

Huh?

You played WoW and hopped into another MMO that is equally grinding and claim if EvE became more like TBC you'll leave?

Huh?

You played WoW and hopped into another MMO that is equally grinding and claim if EvE became more like TBC you'll leave?

Huh?

You played WoW and hopped into another MMO that is equally grinding and claim if EvE became more like TBC you'll leave?

In Eve, you grind exactly as much as you CHOOSE to. That makes all the difference.

I see what you're doing there

Oh my...look at all the wonderful help and comments - thank you all so much. EVE has such a great game community...best ever. Thanks for all the help.

op Im doing it wrong

The question I'd really like answered is this one:

If you dislike Eve as much as you appear to on the forums, why are you still playing it? I mean that seriously. Why are you subjecting yourself to a voluntary experience that you dislike that much? Do you also routinely volunteer for skin abrasions, public flogging, and being water boarded?

What I have learned is - this is just like WoW...no it is worse than WOW - and out WoW's - WoW! In world of Warcraft you can grind for certain things to turn in to NPC's to fix your rating(or grind mobs), but in EVE the drop rate for tags is beyond abysmal - it is pathetic. At least in WoW the drop rates for the items you need is bearable and you won't pull your hair out while grinding for them.

Been asking that question for years, and never once got answer let alone a rational one. I doubt you'll get answer as well.

It's funny how you answered your Title question in your first post. EVE is further from WoW, for the exact reason above that you try to claim they are the same.

In EVE, you have REAL loss, and REAL consequences to your actions. In Wow you can make a "mistake" and find a relatively easy way to fix it. In EVE those mistakes can really hurt.

EvE is only like WoW if you want it to be like WoW. Those who don't want it to be like WoW make sure it isn't. They're usually called 'pirates' and 'PvP'ers'. Enjoy!

Oh...and why is it that when it comes to finding the tags I need, all but the ones I need drop?! I find all manner of tags I don't need. Don't need Fed tags - they drop by the bushel. Don't need Blood tags...not a problem...run a few missions and you have hundreds filling your cargo hold.

The highlighted/italicized text may be part of your problem.

If you are searching for tags by killing the people you are trying to gain standing with, the result will be less than satisfactory.

Fed tags were dropped by NPC's that were part of the mission(that I didn't even kill,other NPC's killed them). It was a Serpentis mission.

Excuse me...I was just a peaceful miner, until CCP forced me to start doing other things. Like running missions, exploration, killing other players...I had no ideal that this games racial factions actually mattered because I was always told that in high-sec you can go anywhere and the only thing you need to worry about is can flippers and the occasional wannabe ganker- because I was a miner. I didn't do anything to harm my rating.

Until just recently. I decided to join corp mates running missions.

BTW this has nothing to do with what you went on about....I am talking about fixing my rating. There should be a reasonable way to fix it. EVEN IN WOW - there is a way to fix your ratings that isn't masochistic.

Not in EVE!

Nonsense

Well said.

That's what the OP boils down to: asking CCP to give him an easier way to fix HIS mistake, just like most games (like WoW) does.

It's here that you notice the start difference in the reasons play games. Some of us play for the challenge and don't want a game to do everything for us. Others play to artificially boost their egos (to get away from the fail that is their real lives lol), and most game makes aid and abet such players by making them "THE HERO" in damn near every game that isn't EVE.

Hero's shouldn't be held responsible for their mistakes, the game should give magical powers of "fixing it" so that they can finish being the hero in enough time for them to make it to class at DeVry Institute......

Which has more players than both EVE and WOW combined! I demand we make EVE more like Candy Crush! If we're really serious about the game, CCP has to acknowledge that their business model is wrong in comparison to Candy Crush!

...

Psst, guess who I was imitating? :P

Eve does not have pandas.

And if it did get pandas, we would get a chance to shoot them.

WoW holds your hand from 1-90, and makes sure you get a cookie regardless if you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place.

I know. I never get an answer either. Usually just misdirection, an abrupt change of subject, or an ad hominem.

But I keep trying. Hope is a virtue, even when it chances to be misplaced.

Look, Jenn, your over the top fanboism is a trolling act of all time, but please don't claim to know something from a game you don't play.

That's called hypocrisy.

Since people have already given answers on how to fix faction standings, I'll leave this explanation of the difference between WoW and EVE.

The SOE arc is normally suggested by an agent at the end of the tutorials, which is why I assumed (DOH!) that people knew about it.

Over the top fanboism is constantly posting in the EVE forums about how awesome WoW is.

Sure...I can waste millions on buying tags - that is not the issue. The issue is I should have a reasonable alternative...not a sadistic, twisted, one....a reasonable one. That is not the case. You try and go collect the required tags needed for the Data Center missions and tell me it is reasonable.

As a CCP carebear fanboi I do believe eve came out first before wow, and had missions. So if anything blizzard copied CCP.

...it's so different because on the WoW forums I would have been banned a long time ago for calling you people assholes, pussies and brainless doucebags?

WoW is a web version of the Warcraft series (I vanilla / II TBC / III WotLK) that came before even Ultima came online (the first MMO). When folks say it's old, it's old.

Only older MMO with pre-1996 internet presence would be DDO, with it's ties with D&D (now that's older than dirt, where the RPG all began).

WoW is a web version of the Warcraft series (I vanilla / II TBC / III WotLK) that came before even Ultima came online (the first MMO). When folks say it's old, it's old.

Only older MMO with pre-1996 internet presence would be DDO, with it's ties with D&D (now that's older than dirt, where the RPG all began).

For those who don't understand why this is a troll, the off-line Warcraft series was Warcraft: Orcs & Humans, Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness and Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos.

Which represented: Warcraft 1 = vanilla; Warcraft 2 = TBC; Warcraft 3 = WotLK in WoW.

That I have to point that out means, you know you're trolling.

EVE is nothing like WoW. Gallentians don't resemble elves and their love for nature and green colors, Minmatar don't resemble brutal Orcs, Caldari aren't pale as humans and Amarr have nothing in common with gold-loving dwarfs.

I actually made my main toon after Amarr for not only looking similar to my WoW main, the Amarr religious background matches a paladin to a tee.

Sure...I can waste millions on buying tags - that is not the issue. The issue is I should have a reasonable alternative...not a sadistic, twisted, one....a reasonable one. That is not the case. You try and go collect the required tags needed for the Data Center missions and tell me it is reasonable.

Eve would be closer to older Everquest than WoW since factions have a =/- element to it based on your actions.

How does one infiltrate a Guild in WoW, steal everything, close it down, make half a dozen players quit for life, and not only not get banned but get a big pat on the back by the GMs for original thinking?


I said to my mom I said "Hey, mom, what's up with all the sauerkraut?" And my dear, sweet mother She just looked at me like a cow looks at an oncoming train, and she leaned right down next to me and she said, "IT'S GOOD FOR YOU!!!"

I hate to say it but this guy does have a really good point. The grind for faction standings is completely ridiculous. I was part of amarr FW for about 6 months and still i somehow have almost -5 standings with the amarr empire.

THe lowest sec status i ever reached while living in low sec was -5.9 ( i never ground sec back up either ) and yet my standings with every single race in the game are at least -4.

The work required to fix that now in comparison to the new tag system for sec status just dosent make any sense and i really think the two need to be bought in line with eachother.

Guild Banks.

I've "awoxed" quite a few guilds in my day in WoW. You'd be suprised how many enchantment recipes and stacks of gems were considered important at one time.

(This is all pre 3.0 since WOTLK and forward has since made me quit the game).

You didn't know that when I was on the WoW forums, I was posting about the features like in EvE.

I know. I never get an answer either. Usually just misdirection, an abrupt change of subject, or an ad hominem.

But I keep trying. Hope is a virtue, even when it chances to be misplaced.

The problem is people like you who go into other games and bascially beg for it to change into WoW. It's like you're the freaking borg of WoW (Worg?) or something.

Why can't you types leave us alone to love out hard core game while you ride the rides of your favorite theme park? Do we come into WoW and say Damn, this place needs Rifters, Cynos and hotdrops!!"?



EVE needs my help?

But you don't see, I and others like me ARE helping EVE by being EVE players and explaining to people what this game is, why it's unique, why it's cold, dark and harsh, and why it should always be that way, unlike the 1000s of thempark MMOs out there.

We help EVE by keeping the numbers of over-sensitive, over-indulged welfare/themepark crowd in EVE to an absolute minimum. Real EVE players are of a more hardy mental stock than most MMO gamers, able to take losses that would mentally crush your average gamers and shrug it off as merely "pixels" and the cost of doing business.

These are they kinds of people who should play EVE, the kinds of people we enjoy being around. The EVE community is like a local D&D gamer group writ large: (Mostly) serious gamers only.




Screw Blizzard and thempark MMOs and most gamers. Viva EVE (or EVE Libre....Libre it from these damn Wowbears) lol.

Shame on you for using a Worg as a WoW referrence while mentioning D&D in the same post!

Take it back take it back!

Can still do that, but the Guild Master can just send in a ticket to have the bank reset (thieving like that isn't tolerated).

The worst isn't even that it's ninjaing a rare mount like the ashes or the blades from Tempest Keep (extremely low % drop). THAT would cause bad blood. Usually GMs don't get involved in player disputes -- which is also why in LFR and in 5.4 the new "mid" raids have goodie bags for loot (no more master looter tomfoolery).

So if you want to be a criminal in WoW what's left is ninjaing and paying $10 for a name change. But if someone recognizes you again after stealing something like the ashes...remember Blizzard had a death threat notice stickied in their general forums...

Shame on you for suggesting they originated in D&D

and not Tolkien

WoW.

our GM

the corp

bank access

officer alt.

The GM filed a ticket

I genuinely dislike the idea of protecting idiots from themselves.

I feel like I am playing World of Warcraft grinding for faction points. Did a few too many missions against Gallente Federation and my rating took a beating. Now I find myself grinding rats and missions to find tags so that I can turn them in to fix my rating with the Gallente.

The problem is - the tags don't drop!

What I have learned is - this is just like WoW...no it is worse than WOW - and out WoW's - WoW! In world of Warcraft you can grind for certain things to turn in to NPC's to fix your rating(or grind mobs), but in EVE the drop rate for tags is beyond abysmal - it is pathetic. At least in WoW the drop rates for the items you need is bearable and you won't pull your hair out while grinding for them.

In EVE - fraking good luck finding the tags you need.

In WoW, killing members of an opposing faction at least gives you points that go toward earning a good rating with the faction you are trying to improve your rating with. In EVE - doesn't matter how many you kill or how many missions you run. They don't count. Only certain missions count.

So this is what I learned. You can run 16 level 1 missions. After your 16th mission you will be offered a special mission. Finish the mission and earn a whole whopping .03 points toward fixing your rating!

Or...go hunt rats...for hours and hours....and hours...and hours...days....weeks...months...and get them tags! TAGS THAT DO NOT DROP!!!

Or...hey I know, like in WoW we can go buy what we need off the auction house or in this case - any market that someone is selling the "tags"(that do not drop). Yes...like WoW I can easily go to a market and spend a nice little fortune on the items I require to turn in to the NPC's to earn my faction rating back...just like - you guessed it - WoW!

This is why it reminds me of WoW...because WoW has things like this in it - things that become a grind - grinding is bad mmm'kay.

Oh...and why is it that when it comes to finding the tags I need, all but the ones I need drop?! I find all manner of tags I don't need. Don't need Fed tags - they drop by the bushel. Don't need Blood tags...not a problem...run a few missions and you have hundreds filling your cargo hold.

Forget COSMOS - you have to have a minimum of 0.0 rating to even get them to talk to you...which kinda of defeats the whole purpose of COSMOS - in that they were put in place to help repair your rating! Who thought this up? Seriously...what brain surgeon put his together?

If I want to grind...I'd go play WoW! This is suppose to be EVE and EVE is not suppose to be like WoW and yet, here I am, on the forum boards of EVE having to point out that EVE isn't so far from WoW as many people would have you believe. So I ask you...tell me how EVE is the furthest thing from WoW.

I love EVE...but Heyzoozs on a fricking stick...did you have to put such a horrendous grind into the one game that isn't suppose to be like all the others - especially that one other game? Frak!

That was actually what put me on the path to quitting WoW. We had someone dupe our GM into letting a thief into the corp and giving them bank access by claiming to be an officer alt. It sucked, but part of me cheered for the guy for being smart enough to put one over on a gullible person. The GM filed a ticket, the stuff was returned within 12 hours, and the person who committed the theft got banned.

I genuinely dislike the idea of protecting idiots from themselves.

Well... For me, there's only one thing where i make something - Skillpoints.
PvE, PvP is pointless. I don't want to show anything in PvP(and what can i? Yet another KB profile). And PvE... Well, i'm not here to grind for isk. There's also some meaning to run missions - standings, but it's not enough and too boring.

So... most of the time i'm just switching skills, chatting, and rarely doing some stuff for a little.

It's kinda strange... I'm VERY LIKE EVE, i'm paying for it, i have a godlike characters, and i'm not planning to quit.... But when i want to play, i play Star Trek Online...

What meaning are you finding in ST:O that you don't find in EVE?

What meaning are you finding in ST:O that you don't find in EVE?

WoW is a web version of the Warcraft series (I vanilla / II TBC / III WotLK) that came before even Ultima came online (the first MMO). When folks say it's old, it's old.

Only older MMO with pre-1996 internet presence would be DDO, with it's ties with D&D (now that's older than dirt, where the RPG all began).

For those who don't understand why this is a troll, the off-line Warcraft series was Warcraft: Orcs & Humans, Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness and Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos. Unlike DDO, which tried to simulate the mechanics of paper and pencil D&D, I really don't think you can state that WoW took anything from a series of RTS games except the IP. The games Mr. Troll listed as "came before even Ultima came online" are the original WoW that came out in 2004, and expansions that came out in 2007 and 2008. And really, UO was the first MMORPG? Try Meridian 59.

For the gameplay of WoW itself, it was influenced heavily by Everquest. So much so that Blizzard was even hiring leaders of major EQ guilds in an effort to lure EQ players to WoW. What WoW did was polish up the existing MMORPG features and present something that players liked without all the bad stuff in EQ that mad players rage-quit and unsubscribe.

But since he got Malcanis, I give this troll 10/10.

WoW was made with the help of 2 EQ raid leaders. ;)

There's some hat tips in WoW to the game as well (let alone the human starting world resembles EQ/EQII's starting areas).

Who knows there might be some to EvE one day (and that's possible if Blizzard keeps returning to TBC themes -- they have space goats that crashed landed on Azeroth and their story is still not filled out).

You were ready to leave because you couldn't play by the rules. WoW has rules on scams and exploits.

I'm ready to leave over mechanics that changed what I came to play in the first place from EQII. Cata's 4.0.1 took all that was fun out of healing out, and replaced it with a gating mechanic, now I spend more time trying to generate holy power to heal, than healing itself. It's borked and NOT fun. I tried up and down to convince Blizzard that specialization is important, no, they want everyone to be able to do everything. Like folks are generic faceless pointmen. All that effort and time made worthless.

Just want 3.3.5 back (pristine servers), to tank heal, and to return to what was 24/7 25man raids...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX13vYvon6I

All I could do is wear my transmorg T10 hearthed in Dalaran and hope Blizzard comes to their senses. I'll gladly transfer my toon to a WotLK only realm and be happy, truly.

Until then play other games.

Can still do that, but the Guild Master can just send in a ticket to have the bank reset (thieving like that isn't tolerated).

The worst isn't even that it's ninjaing a rare mount like the ashes or the blades from Tempest Keep (extremely low % drop). THAT would cause bad blood. Usually GMs don't get involved in player disputes -- which is also why in LFR and in 5.4 the new "mid" raids have goodie bags for loot (no more master looter tomfoolery).

So if you want to be a criminal in WoW what's left is ninjaing and paying $10 for a name change. But if someone recognizes you again after stealing something like the ashes...remember Blizzard had a death threat notice stickied in their general forums...

Shame on you for suggesting they originated in D&D

and not Tolkien

Maybe he finds the mandatory XP Grind for crew in STO different from the optional rep grind in EvE

I'm not saying that STO is super-interesting or the best MMO ever... It has a lot of issues, there's a lot of reasons why EVE is much better. I'm just found it more interesting to spend my time in it...

I'm not saying that STO is super-interesting or the best MMO ever... It has a lot of issues, there's a lot of reasons why EVE is much better. I'm just found it more interesting to spend my time in it...

Raiders of the last Arc

You can't tell me that the Beacon->holy light spam was more interesting than what replaced it. For the love of god, my 2 key was all but broken.

When I was healing ICC everything was used even DI. Get a stamina stacking tank that isn't geared or knew about using CDs well, it's pulling like 43% of all the healing in a freaking 25man raid. I never had the luxury of "endless mana" (base MP5 with GS 6000+ gear was under 300; raid buff a tad over 600) or just Holy Light spamming.

Besides, it was at the minimum 3 keys: Beacon with 1min timer | Sacred Shield with a 1min timer | Holy Light. But the real healing was all that and Holy Shock; Cleansing (a-l-o-t of it in WotLK); Hand of Sacrifice; Divine Plea; popping wings during hero.

So if you two buttoned healed you weren't the raid anchor (lead tank healer). 10mans if not the lead healer, possibly.

It's why I liked WotLK healing. Mess up, it's a wipe. A healer had to be on the ball, not drunk or on drugs. In Cata, after all those healing changes, you can goto sleep and still save the raid (Dragon Soul was the worst raid ever in WoW), and it had the one button spam called Holy Radiance. Pure boring healing. It's the same in MoP. I even don't bother to do LFR, so boring I'd rather log out and read the news.

PvP healing was the last thing left for me that still required fast and furious healing. 5.3 PvP changes, not worth it. 5.4 I can't tell, but doubt much will change, as the basic mechanics are unchanged from Cata.

I always said tags were a bad idea, a WoW-ification, if you will, of Eve. Nobody ever listens to me. I thought it was due to the lessening of consequences, since consequences is what makes Eve great. Apparently it induces WoW-like grinding as well.

You're aware that those tags aren't free, right?