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Cartaris Caldari Provisions Caldari State 3	Posted - 2013.06.27 05:52:00 - [1] - Quote I'd like to think I've done a lot in Eve. Maybe not quite as much as some people.... but enough to know what I like to do. I've been in lowsec, null, and WH space; and they've all had their charms. But highsec PvP just seemed to be more fun to me. Now, some might call it cowardly, but I liked highsec PvP. I always found it fun when our small group of about 5 pilots would go to war with a larger "do it all" alliance (We never wardec'd mining corps, mind you. But that didnt stop me from going after a mining barge now and then :P ). We would gather ourselves up, and go off to see how many of them we could harrass before the cavalry showed up. To be honest, that was the most fun I had had in Eve. Granted, there were some irritating points such as neutral logi and the like... but all in all, I enjoyed it. After the wardec prices increased, my small corp found it difficult to afford, and ended up moving on to other things. I hopped around from corp to alliance doing various things, and little by little, I began to get bored with the game... I missed the good fights our small fleets would provide. The only thing that seemed to be left in highsec now were large mercenary alliances that would either annihilate everything in their path, or collide with other large groups in fantastic slaughter fests (and the infamous station games that everyone loves :P ). I almost felt useless at times, but it was the closest thing to what I loved to do. A RL friend of mine, who happens to be fairly new to Eve, asked me to join a small industrial corporation that he was in. I thought "why not" and joined up. After about a week of me being there... we were wardec'd by a small 9 man "pirate" corp. Being the most experienced person in corp with this sort of thing, I was put in charge of leading our PvP gang into battle. I expected to be completely slaughtered, as most of my corpmates were quite low in skillpoints, and most had never been in a PvP engagement before. I was shocked at how well they formed up. We formed a sizable fleet of about 10 ships, and went to knock on their door. Its been a week since then, and we are currently losing the war by 100 million isk. Corp members are beginning to get discouraged, and we're in danger of losing our members, and their hope. Tomorrow is the last day of tolerance for several of them... if something doesn't happen, the corp may very well fold. I am currently sitting in the HQ station of my old highsec PvP corp, dusting off the old Cynabal that has served me so well in the past. Tomorrow, I will feel the rush of something I haven't felt in awhile. Tomorrow, I will do what I need to, to keep this corp together. Tomorrow, there will be a killmail... and either I, or their names will be on it.
Bloody Wench 594	Posted - 2013.06.27 05:54:00 - [2] - Quote Would you like to borrow 100million isk? Reasonable rates. Support a High Resolution Texture Pack
Cartaris Caldari Provisions Caldari State 4	Posted - 2013.06.27 05:58:00 - [3] - Quote I know I sound cheesy, but I don't give two ***** :D
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 2935	Posted - 2013.06.27 06:07:00 - [4] - Quote Cartaris wrote: we're in danger of losing our members... You know all that stuff about "ePeen" is just a figure of speech.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 2833	Posted - 2013.06.27 06:15:00 - [5] - Quote Cartaris wrote: After the wardec prices increased, my small corp found it difficult to afford, and ended up moving on to other things. . My miner killed a hauler while piloting his Mack today. High sec and no pesky wardec fee. It can be done. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
bloodknight2 Talledega Knights PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS 91	Posted - 2013.06.27 06:50:00 - [6] - Quote Like you said, most of your corp were noobs with low SP and no experience in PVP. I'm sure they learned a lot from this wardec and about pvp.
destiny2 Abh Academy Abh Alliance 146	Posted - 2013.06.27 08:39:00 - [7] - Quote Highsec pvp is soo boring. did my first hs war, in like forever, and it was like omg undock already. i couldnt even say officer spawn belt 1 to see if someone was dumb enough to undock, Or a friendly carrier of theirs is tackled. then again the hs war we had, the guys we were fighting couldnt even speak english.
War Kitten Panda McLegion 2226	Posted - 2013.06.27 12:29:00 - [8] - Quote Good story so far, but poor title. Good luck hunting I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
Cartaris Caldari Provisions Caldari State 5	Posted - 2013.06.28 02:21:00 - [9] - Quote Earlier today I took the Cynabal out, and was unable to kill any of them. They were unable to catch me, but I couldn't stay close long enough to hold point... so they just kept warping off. I just logged in after work a few minutes ago and jokingly told my corpmates that I was going to hunt the war targets with my Orca. I threw my Proteus into the ship maintenance array, and went out. I jumped into a system, and noticed a WT in local... so I waited for him. Sure enough, he found me and proceeded to burn for my Orca (He was in a hurricane). I waited for him to get point.... then to get close enough for web. He was about 3km away when I ejected the Proteus, borded it, and killed him. We are now 11 mil short of winning the war.
Ckra Trald Stellar Essence STELLAR CONSTELLATION 203	Posted - 2013.06.28 02:28:00 - [10] - Quote get your buddies in cheap tackle and make your life easier by reducing transversal etc.... ^^ poorly made blunt forum post above ^^
Kali Maat PVP FAST 33	Posted - 2013.06.28 02:31:00 - [11] - Quote I just subcribed to your quite interesting tread my friend. If anny staff would lock this tread instead of moving it to "my Eve" he should be fired this is an awesome peice of Eve "real stories" happening live. looking forward to read more on what will happen next cheers
Erotica 1 Krypteia Operations 930	Posted - 2013.06.28 02:33:00 - [12] - Quote An important question, yet to be addressed, is this: does your corp support the Code? I am shocked no one has considered this yet. Is it possible this corp that wardecced you just wanted to take care of some illegal miners? I'm not trying to accuse your corp of violating the Code. But I think we all need some more context. See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did.
Kult Altol Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet 525	Posted - 2013.06.28 05:11:00 - [13] - Quote Cartaris wrote: Earlier today I took the Cynabal out, and was unable to kill any of them. They were unable to catch me, but I couldn't stay close long enough to hold point... so they just kept warping off. I just logged in after work a few minutes ago and jokingly told my corpmates that I was going to hunt the war targets with my Orca. I threw my Proteus into the ship maintenance array, and went out. I jumped into a system, and noticed a WT in local... so I waited for him. Sure enough, he found me and proceeded to burn for my Orca (He was in a hurricane). I waited for him to get point.... then to get close enough for web. He was about 3km away when I ejected the Proteus, borded it, and killed him. We are now 11 mil short of winning the war. That's ingenious. Orca based pvp lol. An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind. -irregardless, I'm with Yolo Swaggins, and the followship of the bling.-á
Cartaris Caldari Provisions Caldari State 13	Posted - 2013.06.30 04:15:00 - [14] - Quote An update on how the war is going: They extended the war another week, and informed me that they would never end the wardec. I actually spoke with one of their members on Skype, and he said that because he was angry with our CEO (presumably for fighting back) they were going to have their friends war dec us as well. Their supposed friends are a large, well known mercenary group (I now believe his claims were false, as I've not seen any action from the group he mentioned) Because of this, we decided to invite a few friends of our own into the war, and make the move into lowsec. One day later, 3 of their members have left corp, including their CEO. They still have an 11 mil lead on us... but I'm beginning to wonder if we'll ever get the chance to close that gap at all now.
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 328	Posted - 2013.06.30 04:22:00 - [15] - Quote destiny2 wrote: Highsec pvp is soo boring. did my first hs war, in like forever, and it was like omg undock already. i couldnt even say officer spawn belt 1 to see if someone was dumb enough to undock, Well, unless they're truly new players everyone knows if you're war decced, easiest way to avoid it is to remain docked. Just log out and play with your alts instead. For individual players it won't hurt their ISK potential (trading alts aren't even in corps, and totally anon too). "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
Cartaris Caldari Provisions Caldari State 13	Posted - 2013.06.30 05:04:00 - [16] - Quote Ace Uoweme wrote: destiny2 wrote: Highsec pvp is soo boring. did my first hs war, in like forever, and it was like omg undock already. i couldnt even say officer spawn belt 1 to see if someone was dumb enough to undock, Well, unless they're truly new players everyone knows if you're war decced, easiest way to avoid it is to remain docked. Just log out and play with your alts instead. For individual players it won't hurt their ISK potential (trading alts aren't even in corps, and totally anon too). Most of them don't have alts to play with, and the ones that do are in corp with us. Trying to wait out the war would have simply made everyone leave our corp, thus killing it. Not to mention, hiding during a war is rather boring.
Amyclas Amatin New Order Inspectorate for Mining Permits 127	Posted - 2013.06.30 06:20:00 - [17] - Quote Has the neutral logi thing been fixed yet? I thought logis get suspect flagged when they rep people who are engaged in pvp. For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/ High-Sec has a future, But do You? Buy a Mining Permit to Secure yours today.
Dinsdale Pirannha Pirannha Corp 1082	Posted - 2013.06.30 06:28:00 - [18] - Quote Cartaris wrote: Ace Uoweme wrote: destiny2 wrote: Highsec pvp is soo boring. did my first hs war, in like forever, and it was like omg undock already. i couldnt even say officer spawn belt 1 to see if someone was dumb enough to undock, Well, unless they're truly new players everyone knows if you're war decced, easiest way to avoid it is to remain docked. Just log out and play with your alts instead. For individual players it won't hurt their ISK potential (trading alts aren't even in corps, and totally anon too). Most of them don't have alts to play with, and the ones that do are in corp with us. Trying to wait out the war would have simply made everyone leave our corp, thus killing it. Not to mention, hiding during a war is rather boring. It is sad, but this is the state of affairs that CCP clearly wants. They feel that having griefer groups dec indy groups for the sole purpose of ruining the the indy corp's gameplay is an acceptable, even laudable practice. It would interesting to know how many of your indy corp have quit the game, and then warned off who knows how many potential subscribers to the game.
Jake Warbird Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 3080	Posted - 2013.06.30 07:20:00 - [19] - Quote Erotica 1 wrote: An important question, yet to be addressed, is this: does your corp support the Code? I am shocked no one has considered this yet. Is it possible this corp that wardecced you just wanted to take care of some illegal miners? I'm not trying to accuse your corp of violating the Code. But I think we all need some more context. Cartaris wrote: I know I sound cheesy, but I don't give two ***** :D
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 331	Posted - 2013.06.30 08:05:00 - [20] - Quote Erotica 1 wrote: An important question, yet to be addressed, is this: does your corp support the Code? I am shocked no one has considered this yet. Is it possible this corp that wardecced you just wanted to take care of some illegal miners? I'm not trying to accuse your corp of violating the Code. But I think we all need some more context. Only code in this game is karma is a ****. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."* ~George Orwell
Zimmy Zeta Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 24250	Posted - 2013.06.30 09:16:00 - [21] - Quote Cartaris wrote: An update on how the war is going: They extended the war another week, and informed me that they would never end the wardec. I actually spoke with one of their members on Skype, and he said that because he was angry with our CEO (presumably for fighting back) they were going to have their friends war dec us as well. Their supposed friends are a large, well known mercenary group (I now believe his claims were false, as I've not seen any action from the group he mentioned) Because of this, we decided to invite a few friends of our own into the war, and make the move into lowsec. One day later, 3 of their members have left corp, including their CEO. They still have an 11 mil lead on us... but I'm beginning to wonder if we'll ever get the chance to close that gap at all now. 11,5 M transfered to your wallet- congratulations, Cartaris, you have now won the war. An indy corp that is actually fighting for their corp instead of hiding or quitting is a rare sight and I think you guys will have a bright future ahead if you keep it up like that. Please send my congratulations and best wishes to all your members. Just think of how bad an average post by me is, and then realize half of them are even worse
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 151	Posted - 2013.06.30 10:21:00 - [22] - Quote destiny2 wrote: Highsec pvp is soo boring. did my first hs war, in like forever, and it was like omg undock already. i couldnt even say officer spawn belt 1 to see if someone was dumb enough to undock, Or a friendly carrier of theirs is tackled. then again the hs war we had, the guys we were fighting couldnt even speak english. Hi sec wars are best done solo.
Yusef Brion Big Yellow Pidgeon Inc. 9	Posted - 2013.06.30 11:46:00 - [23] - Quote Cartaris wrote: Ace Uoweme wrote: destiny2 wrote: Highsec pvp is soo boring. did my first hs war, in like forever, and it was like omg undock already. i couldnt even say officer spawn belt 1 to see if someone was dumb enough to undock, Well, unless they're truly new players everyone knows if you're war decced, easiest way to avoid it is to remain docked. Just log out and play with your alts instead. For individual players it won't hurt their ISK potential (trading alts aren't even in corps, and totally anon too). Most of them don't have alts to play with, and the ones that do are in corp with us. Trying to wait out the war would have simply made everyone leave our corp, thus killing it. Not to mention, hiding during a war is rather boring. http://youtu.be/514IEcgz1Q8?t=1m35s "And of course Spartans... have their reputation to consider" It's all just pixels. Why would you hide from pixels?
Erick Odin Transdermal 13	Posted - 2013.06.30 14:21:00 - [24] - Quote I wonder how many will send him 11 million. Scam?
Liafcipe9000 Smeghead Empire 6780	Posted - 2013.06.30 14:24:00 - [25] - Quote tl;dr 1v1s in Hek anyone? You may gain the knowledge, but you will lose your belief, with all its mystery and comfort. If there was proof, absolute and certain, there is an afterlife, why not quit this life, and be done with it? Ponder about these things all your life, and you're a philosopher. Compress these ponderings into a couple of pages, and you'll go mad.
BoSau Hotim Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 5844	Posted - 2013.06.30 14:42:00 - [26] - Quote Cartaris wrote: Its been a week since then, and we are currently losing the war by 100 million isk. Corp members are beginning to get discouraged, and we're in danger of losing our members, and their hope. Tomorrow is the last day of tolerance for several of them... if something doesn't happen, the corp may very well fold. I am currently sitting in the HQ station of my old highsec PvP corp, dusting off the old Cynabal that has served me so well in the past. Tomorrow, I will feel the rush of something I haven't felt in awhile. Tomorrow, I will do what I need to, to keep this corp together. Tomorrow, there will be a killmail... and either I, or their names will be on it. They are either a good group of tough pilots that will not bow down, tough this out, and become a good corp. Or they don't deserve to be in a corporation and need to leave and go to NPC corps. The fact is either you've got it in you to fight and never give up, or you don't. Personally if I were you I would let the members go that whine and want to give up and hang onto the ones that want to tough it out and learn how to pvp. You just need to decide what type of corp and people you want to be with. Stay friends with the others that leave if you like 'em. But hang on to the ones that dig their heels in. They are the ones that are really worth it for a strong corp. It may sound harsh. But I've been there and I know what I'm talking about here because I've been through it. Our corp was dec'd by 5 corporations within our first 2 months of the game.... and went through 10 wars our first 6 months. We NEVER paid ransom and we never gave up. Some left. Good bye and good riddance to those who left. Nice people but no the type of peeps we wanted in our corporation. We were smoked our first decs... then we started learning. We ended up getting an experienced pilot in our corp that started teaching us how to fit and how to fight.. that is when things really turned around for us. I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!-á Now... where's Ken?
ElQuirko Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT 1569	Posted - 2013.06.30 17:56:00 - [27] - Quote I've found this. Small industrial corps are surprisingly good at PVP once roused. Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved.
Arduemont The Asteroid Solution 1577	Posted - 2013.06.30 18:20:00 - [28] - Quote Good for you guys. Also, at least your war deccers are actually fighting. Very often they hide until your player counts are low and then kill your miners and won't fight any proper fleets. I would have jumped into your war to help out, but I recently left my own corp to join a group of friends, and I doubt they would be up for a war at this point in time. Congratulate your members when it's over. They deserve it. And frankly if you can get a record of not being curb stomped by war deccers they very often taper off. Most war dec corps don't want to fight people who are actually going to do some damage back. If you still have records of your enemies claims in the logs or in mails, copy paste them into mails to your corp and ridicule them for their stupid lies and back-peddling. Sometimes making your members feel like they have won is half the battle. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice."
Elizabeth Aideron GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 46	Posted - 2013.06.30 23:12:00 - [29] - Quote Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Cartaris wrote: Ace Uoweme wrote: destiny2 wrote: Highsec pvp is soo boring. did my first hs war, in like forever, and it was like omg undock already. i couldnt even say officer spawn belt 1 to see if someone was dumb enough to undock, Well, unless they're truly new players everyone knows if you're war decced, easiest way to avoid it is to remain docked. Just log out and play with your alts instead. For individual players it won't hurt their ISK potential (trading alts aren't even in corps, and totally anon too). Most of them don't have alts to play with, and the ones that do are in corp with us. Trying to wait out the war would have simply made everyone leave our corp, thus killing it. Not to mention, hiding during a war is rather boring. It is sad, but this is the state of affairs that CCP clearly wants. They feel that having griefer groups dec indy groups for the sole purpose of ruining the the indy corp's gameplay is an acceptable, even laudable practice. It would interesting to know how many of your indy corp have quit the game, and then warned off who knows how many potential subscribers to the game. why should ccp ruin the deccers gameplay because you refuse to fight back?
Cartaris Caldari Provisions Caldari State 26	Posted - 2013.07.01 02:29:00 - [30] - Quote Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: It would interesting to know how many of your indy corp have quit the game, and then warned off who knows how many potential subscribers to the game. I was originally worried that we would fall apart. It was looking very gloom for awhile. But to answer your query: Not a single one

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