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bundy bear	Posted - 2005.11.27 09:39:00 - [1] I think there is something very wrong in a game when after doing agent missions, someone is lucky enough to get a tech II BPO which then sets them for life. People go from dirt poor to billionaires in no time then no longer have to work for isk again. Instead of giving out BPO's, agents should give out limited run BPC's so people can no longer get a stranglehold on the market. Auctioning BPO's off everymonth is a bad idea, because only the rich can afford them and they will just get richer. The ammount of isk BPO's are worth is just rediculous and no person should should get rewarded with one just because they got lucky. /rant off
Dak Hakin	Posted - 2005.11.27 09:54:00 - [2] agreed _______________________________________________ If you fear the thorn, do not crave the rose
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.11.27 10:15:00 - [3] disagree
F'nog	Posted - 2005.11.27 10:23:00 - [4] The number of T2 BPOs to which this applies is only a small portion of the total released. Some, like CRs, are very lucrative, but most are nowhere near that profitable. Originally by: rowbin hod Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage.
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.11.27 10:31:00 - [5] miner IIs sell for 60-70k each not much profit margins there when everyone is using strip miners
Sovjet	Posted - 2005.11.27 11:02:00 - [6] This is what annoys me. People think that because they put in such amount of effort, they should get the same success as other people. Corporations do not work like this, and if it did, tech II would become normal. Strangle holds on market = awesome. I don't have any Tech II BPO, Infact I produce Tech I stuff. --------------------------------------- Diplomat. Lawyer. Space Employer.
babyblue	Posted - 2005.11.27 11:04:00 - [7] Originally by: sonofollo miner IIs sell for 60-70k each not much profit margins there when everyone is using strip miners The profit zone for Miner II's passed a long time ago. They were released in a rather hap-hazard way and at the time were the best miner yield you could get. A lot of other Tech II BPO's are well worth having, they just aren't worth the auction prices you see on the forums (for purely production and sale). If you count the auction price, it is basically a multi-billion random gift for doing nothing apart from whoring a few research agents.
Puffy Lips	Posted - 2005.11.27 11:08:00 - [8] personally id rather have a game where luck plays a part than one that doesnt as it adds a certain flavour to opening a can or opening an agent offer
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.11.27 11:09:00 - [9] well the alternative is buying and selling factional items Or buying and producing via t2 BPCs which some that hold BPOs do copy and realise to the market as an alternaitve I have always stated that RP (research) agents dropping 1-5 t2 BPC runs. ie 1-5 runs per drop. 20 or 30 of these could be dropped each day in each category opening up t2 production to more players.
babyblue	Posted - 2005.11.27 11:46:00 - [10] Originally by: sonofollo I have always stated that RP (research) agents dropping 1-5 t2 BPC runs. ie 1-5 runs per drop. 20 or 30 of these could be dropped each day in each category opening up t2 production to more players. Yes, this is the main improvement you can make. It's fine giving BPO's out randomly, the problem is that apart from having five billion or so for an auction purchase which probably won't make your cash back, there is no way to get hold of BP's at all. I think small random drops of Tech II BPC's would enhance the experience all around.
Snake Jankins	Posted - 2005.11.27 12:00:00 - [11] Originally by: sonofollo I have always stated that RP (research) agents dropping 1-5 t2 BPC runs. ie 1-5 runs per drop. 20 or 30 of these could be dropped each day in each category opening up t2 production to more players. But then you should have to do missions for it, not just own a char with this agent. And something like a hac bpc shouldn't drop as often as a usualy module, except hac was 1-run and module was xxx run. ___________ 'DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are provided "as is" and without any warranties.'
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2005.11.27 13:04:00 - [12] Luck 4tw \o/ MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
Cmdr Sy	Posted - 2005.11.27 13:11:00 - [13] There is more to EVE than T2 BPOs. I have never laid eyes on one, and I challenge you to show that my game experience has suffered.
Thomus	Posted - 2005.11.27 13:36:00 - [14] Originally by: sonofollo disagree are you disagreeing cuz this will kill ur source of ISK? im still scratching round in the dirt, selling tech 1 ships to noobs, who have all seemed to become excellent bargain hunters before signed up to EVE, which makes my living tough. i might just go back to mining for hours on end.... :-S ---------------- Tom
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.11.27 13:38:00 - [15] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 27/11/2005 13:38:33 Tech 2 BPOs are not the be-all-end-all of moneymaking in EVE. Of the ways I currently make money, my T2 BPO (worth about 4 billion) probably makes about 20-30% of my total profits. Oh, and I bought my BPO. - Proud member of the [23]. Don't get the reference in my sig? Click it.
000Hunter000	Posted - 2005.11.27 13:41:00 - [16] hm, why not make the R&D points system work like the LP system for regular agents? u get an offer from the R&D agent to exchange R&D points for limited run T2 bpc's (possibly with or without added stuff like the LP offers), the higher u get the bigger the chance u get a better T2 bpc. this way u can accept either the more regular T2 item bpc's, get more points and get a better T2 bpc, or just do as it is now and wait (perhaps indefinitly) untill the agent offers u a T2 BPO. the release of T2 bpc's should be well thought out though as not to upset the market.
Macel	Posted - 2005.11.27 14:10:00 - [17] If Eve is intended to simulate a real economy, then it needs to simulate the scammers, pirates, mining sweatshops, and lucky bastards too.
slothe	Posted - 2005.11.27 15:43:00 - [18] Edited by: slothe on 27/11/2005 15:45:45 Originally by: sonofollo disagree agree look in r/l some research pays off, some doesnt. some pharmacutical (spell?) companis get rich, some research for ever and get nothing. thats just the way it is. it would be worse if bpos dropped where the players with most r/p get them as these are the vets / professional players and no newer players had a chance.
babyblue	Posted - 2005.11.27 15:45:00 - [19] Originally by: Macel If Eve is intended to simulate a real economy, then it needs to simulate the scammers, pirates, mining sweatshops, and lucky bastards too. It does that extremely well. Always has done.

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