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Lord syphilis	Posted - 2005.11.28 17:29:00 - [1] Does it lead to another universe another point is space is everything destroyed? Explain if you can
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2005.11.28 17:34:00 - [2] Originally by: Lord syphilis Does it lead to another universe another point is space is everything destroyed? Explain if you can There are innumerable theories: nobody actually knows, because no information of any kind can be transmitted from inside a black hole, to us outside of it. My own belief is that it'll behave just like any other solid object; it'll sit there being convincingly solid. Black "hole" is just a bad name for it; it's not a hole of any description. It's a solid object with an escape velocity of >186,000 miles a second.
Vladimir Ilych	Posted - 2005.11.28 17:37:00 - [3] just google it. there are tons of pages on them.
Faster ThanJesus	Posted - 2005.11.28 17:48:00 - [4] It joins to a white hole that spews time back into the universe.
Ralus	Posted - 2005.11.28 18:41:00 - [5] There are lots and lots of theorys and there are people who play eve who have a much greater understanding of astro-physics and serious meta-physics compared to me (My Grandfather for instance he seem to know his stuff) The theory I like best is since the point of singularity is infintaly small yet infinatly dense there is nothing at the end of the black hole as technically the end of a black hole doesn't exist, your forever falling in towards that point of singularity but because its infinatly small you never reach it. Anyway i'm just a lowly engineering student so hardly qualified to answer a question like that...
Kyguard	Posted - 2005.11.28 18:56:00 - [6] I believe it just compresses matter into a very dense core over a very long period of time to produce an effect like the Big Bang event that we base our existence on. But then again, who knows. -- God is on the side with the best artillery
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.11.28 19:37:00 - [7] Ignoring any speculative theories, it simply goes to a nice little point in space where every part of you gets crushed to oblivion. A rotating black hole, however, can serve as a portal to other parts of the universe, or other universes (possibly), if approached at the correct trajectory. - Proud member of the [23]. Don't get the reference in my sig? Click it.
Plim	Posted - 2005.11.28 19:47:00 - [8] Brighouse -----------------
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.11.28 19:52:00 - [9] Originally by: Plim Brighouse Tripod sucks. Use Imageshack. - Proud member of the [23]. Don't get the reference in my sig? Click it.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2005.11.28 20:16:00 - [10] Most physicists agree that gravity around a blackhole causes one's mass to tend towards infinite, while gravity itself would varie from ones feet to ones head should they go in feet first. Mathematically, its considered a to culmonate at a single point in space, so whatever it leads to, if anything, you would be coming out with infinite mass and ~0 volume.

Tyto	Posted - 2005.11.28 20:50:00 - [11] Originally by: Faster ThanJesus It joins to a white hole that spews time back into the universe. So what is it? (Red Dwarf ftw!)
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2005.11.28 21:19:00 - [12] Since I've adopted the raindrop theory I'll venture a highly scientific guesstimation that black holes don't go anywhere, they stay as they are till something comes along to make them go critical and explode in what people call a big bang, which in fact are a lot of smaller bangs forming ripples in space like raindrops on water. Remind me about The Maze. I'm Danton Marcellus and I approve of this message.
Ka Sei	Posted - 2005.11.28 21:44:00 - [13] All the answers in non-baffling form
Tullaris Iceblade	Posted - 2005.11.28 22:31:00 - [14] Where a black hole goes all depends on what shape we believe the universe is some believe its flat some round and some believe its in a kind of saddle shape so that no matter where u go u will end up in the same place. Of course if its a circle the blackhole could well be a tunnel to another part of the universe if we could get round the singularity which would destroy anthing trapped by it, if the universe is flat it would lead no where but of course as space is multidimentional it could lead to other spacial levels. With the saddle theory i think that people believe that the blackhole goes nowhere or at least nowhere we can yet imagine. Of couse blackholes are most likely an impossible method of transport because of the immense forces existing around and in the singularity, more hope is put towards wormholes which if we could keep stable would be a much more viable means of transport from 1 point to another, of course the energy needed would be that of multiple suns so as yet neither black hole or worm hole are really possible methods. (ps i havent yet looked at link so it probably says it all their oops) Sig Removed. Exceeded max size of 400x120 pixels and 24000 bytes, also please try to make your sig less uber because frankly it owns everyone elses. -Kaemonn
KingsGambit	Posted - 2005.11.28 22:39:00 - [15] It leads to a place where Bic biros go when you're not watching them. Have you or anyone you know ever used up all the ink in a Bic biro, beginning to end, and had to throw it away? No! That's because they go to wherever black holes lead before you can finish the ink in them. Red biros are an exception to this rule...Mars anyone? ------------- My T2 Shop
Layrex	Posted - 2005.11.28 22:45:00 - [16] Originally by: KingsGambit It leads to a place where Bic biros go when you're not watching them. Have you or anyone you know ever used up all the ink in a Bic biro, beginning to end, and had to throw it away? No! That's because they go to wherever black holes lead before you can finish the ink in them. Red biros are an exception to this rule...Mars anyone? rofl so true
tinae	Posted - 2005.11.28 23:01:00 - [17] to an parallel universe
jamesw	Posted - 2005.11.28 23:38:00 - [18] TO INFINITY AND BEYOND! -- jamesw Rubra Libertas Militia Latest Vid: Bobbing for Xelas
Avon	Posted - 2005.11.28 23:55:00 - [19] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr There are innumerable theories: nobody actually knows, because no information of any kind can be transmitted from inside a black hole, to us outside of it. So, what happens to information which falls in to the black hole? You have to be careful here, Stephen Hawkins is going to get out of his chair and kick-yo-ass if you mess this up :P ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.11.28 23:59:00 - [20] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Baldour Ngarr There are innumerable theories: nobody actually knows, because no information of any kind can be transmitted from inside a black hole, to us outside of it. So, what happens to information which falls in to the black hole? You have to be careful here, Stephen Hawkins is going to get out of his chair and kick-yo-ass if you mess this up :P Yeah Hawking already proved that information isn't lost - Proud member of the [23]. Don't get the reference in my sig? Click it.

Thomus	Posted - 2005.11.29 00:03:00 - [21] Originally by: KingsGambit It leads to a place where Bic biros go when you're not watching them. Have you or anyone you know ever used up all the ink in a Bic biro, beginning to end, and had to throw it away? No! That's because they go to wherever black holes lead before you can finish the ink in them. Red biros are an exception to this rule...Mars anyone? You might be on to something. Maybe area 51 is a place where some of the biros don't quite make it, and have to be stored there. There's a stack of empty biros there really. ---------------- Tom
Avon	Posted - 2005.11.29 00:06:00 - [22] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Avon Originally by: Baldour Ngarr There are innumerable theories: nobody actually knows, because no information of any kind can be transmitted from inside a black hole, to us outside of it. So, what happens to information which falls in to the black hole? You have to be careful here, Stephen Hawkins is going to get out of his chair and kick-yo-ass if you mess this up :P Yeah Hawking already proved that information isn't lost Well, he kinda said it is, and it isn't. ie: he cheated. :P ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2005.11.29 00:56:00 - [23] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Avon Originally by: Baldour Ngarr There are innumerable theories: nobody actually knows, because no information of any kind can be transmitted from inside a black hole, to us outside of it. So, what happens to information which falls in to the black hole? You have to be careful here, Stephen Hawkins is going to get out of his chair and kick-yo-ass if you mess this up :P Yeah Hawking already proved that information isn't lost Well, he kinda said it is, and it isn't. ie: he cheated. :P Why haven't you quit yet, Avon?
Avon	Posted - 2005.11.29 01:06:00 - [24] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Why haven't you quit yet, Avon? Because I bought loads of gametime for ISK? Or is this an interesting on-topic twist on the subject, trying to imply that the information sucked in to a black hole creates an intelligence inversion vortex which leads directly in to the space between you ears? If you are going to flame, at least put some effort in, m'kay? ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2005.11.29 01:21:00 - [25] Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 29/11/2005 01:09:48 Originally by: Derovius Vaden Why haven't you quit yet, Avon? Because I bought loads of gametime for ISK? Or is this an interesting on-topic twist on the subject, trying to imply that the information sucked in to a black hole creates an intelligence inversion vortex which leads directly in to the space between you ears? If you are going to troll, at least put some effort in, m'kay? I just find it funny that someone who cries over a name change actually thinks he is intelligent enough to discuss theoretical physics with the big boys. Oh, and just to pound home how little you actually know, the reference to the black hole between my ears is actually a compliment, referencing to the notion that I'm a well of knowledge which can never escape. Thanks for trying.
Pwyle Kenobi	Posted - 2005.11.29 01:51:00 - [26] *I'm keeping this very simple. This is not the complete story. I just want to correct 3 apparent misunderstandings.* 1. A black hole is not a hole. It is an object similar to a super-dense neutron star. It is composed of so much matter (degenerate matter) that it collapses under it's own gravity to the point that molecular bonds break and you have a slurry of quantum particles. Then things get really weird! Quantum mechanics will turn your understanding of the universe upside-down and inside out. 2. A black hole is not a singularity. It has volume. The volume is small by comparison to it's mass, but in terms that we are familiar with in normal life the volume is huge! For example, Sagittarius A* (the super-massive black hole at the centre of our own Milky Way galaxy) has the mass of several million times the mass of our Sun squashed down into a spherical space roughly estimated to be the same dimension of our own solar-system. 3. Not all matter is lost forever to a black hole. Some matter never makes it all the way to the point that it is crushed into a quantum state and it instead follows the surrounding magnetic field to be jetted out either magnetic pole for light years distance! Even more bizarre, Hawkin's has demonstrated that it is theoretically possible for matter to be spontaneously created in the radiation field surrounding a black hole!
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.11.29 02:15:00 - [27] Originally by: Pwyle Kenobi 2. A black hole is not a singularity. It has volume. The volume is small by comparison to it's mass, but in terms that we are familiar with in normal life the volume is huge! For example, Sagittarius A* (the super-massive black hole at the centre of our own Milky Way galaxy) has the mass of several million times the mass of our Sun squashed down into a spherical space roughly estimated to be the same dimension of our own solar-system. EDIT: I should add that at the centre of the black hole there is a point referred to as a singularity where density is supposed to become infinite and both space and time cease to exist (at least as we understand them)! No, it doesn't have volume. The hole itself is merely the singularity--the event horizon is an arbitrary point at which all trajectories including that of light curve into the hole. It is not a physical object. Quote: 3. Not all matter is lost forever to a black hole. Some matter never makes it all the way to the point that it is crushed into a quantum state and it instead follows the surrounding magnetic field to be jetted out either magnetic pole for light years distance! Even more bizarre, Hawkin's has demonstrated that it is theoretically possible for matter to be spontaneously created in the radiation field surrounding a black hole! Its not spontaneously created. Technically, the energy for the matter comes from the mass of the black hole itself. - Proud member of the [23]. Don't get the reference in my sig? Click it.
aeti	Posted - 2005.11.29 02:17:00 - [28] Originally by: Lord syphilis Does it lead to another universe another point is space is everything destroyed? Explain if you can we call it Birmingham ;\|
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2005.11.29 02:28:00 - [29] Originally by: Dark Shikari No, it doesn't have volume. The hole itself is merely the singularity... There IS no hole. This is why it's such a silly name, but I guess we're stuck with it. After all, we still call oxygen oxygen, and that name was demonstrably wrong more than two centuries ago. Anyway. The black hole, silly name or not, is considered to be everything inside the event horizon. It therefore has considerable volume; in fact, it's arguable that the entire Universe is in fact the inside of a black hole. That would certainly explain why the Universe doesn't have any detectable "outside." @Avon: I didn't say the information was destroyed ... it just cannot be transmitted to anyone outside. Things may leak out via quantum disturbances, but that's NOT going to be usable to send anyone a message saying "hey, it's fun in here, bring some more beer."
Sphalerite	Posted - 2005.11.29 03:10:00 - [30] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Most physicists agree that gravity around a blackhole causes one's mass to tend towards infinite, while gravity itself would varie from ones feet to ones head should they go in feet first. Mathematically, its considered a to culmonate at a single point in space, so whatever it leads to, if anything, you would be coming out with infinite mass and ~0 volume. I find it hilarious that you would post something as totally ignorant as this, then post this Originally by: Derovius Vaden I just find it funny that someone who cries over a name change actually thinks he is intelligent enough to discuss theoretical physics with the big boys. "Some rise by sin, and some by virtue fall"



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