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Anu Vare
Dark Star Confederation
The Ancients.
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Posted - 2011.10.24 10:05:00 -
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It's no mystery that Incarna is regarded as a failure and a step in the wrong direction by the majority of EVE players today. I was just reading the thread "I rejoined EVE because of Incarna, and now they're taking it away?!?" by Oriaita Lee and I was reading all the people bashing CQ and thinking how terrible it is that these people could so easily destroy something that they themselves need, that all the players need and that CCP needs. What I'm talking about is expanding this game to new audiences, meaning more players, more income for CCP, and thus enabling CCP to expand and in turn put more work into the game. So why do we need Captains Quarters and Incarna for EVE to expand? Simple, EVE is a niche market. We can keep insisting that CCP puts more time and money into the existing game structure but that won't generate a significant increase in players. There are only ever going to be a tiny portion of the worlds gamers who are going to be interested in playing the game at its current state. EVE is a hardcore game that is complex, daunting to get into and time consuming. In order to make a significant gain in players the audience for the game needs to be expanded, in order to expand the audience CCP needs to continue with Walking in stations. We need to remember that CCP is a business and businesses have to expand, they havn't been able to get a significant gain in eve players so they had to develop Dust 514 and World of Darkness. You say you want them to concentrate more on the core elements of the game, well at some point they are going to have to allocate resources to another game or WiS to get the increase in income they need. So we have to ask ourselves would we rather CCP work on Incarna which will benefit all aspects of EVE in the long run or do we wan't some cool new ships and features now that will only lead CCP to work on other games. If we don't open up eve to a wider audience another one of CCP's games will be sure to overtake EVE a few years down the road and that will mean not only Incarna, but EVE will be on the back burner.
"A lot of times, people donGÇÖt know what they want until you show it to them.GÇ¥ -Steve Jobs
Even though you might think that you don't want any more in station content, there is an opportunity for a whole new element of the game besides the arbitrary Captains Quarters. CQ is just a base for a compelling new aspect of the game that could be filled with excellent content that I'm sure many would come to enjoy. We haven't given this new aspect of the game a chance, we haven't even let CCP show us what they could really do with in station content. They made it through the initial challenge of building a new engine now all they have to do ifs fill it with content. We need to let them finish what they started.
Lots of people complain about how slow CCP is with developing new expansions. What they don't realize is that this takes money and if players wan't more expansions, and faster expansions CCP has to start making more money. Expanding the playerbase and micro transactions are two ways to do this. Now I agree that it is absurd to have NeX items cost as much as they do. If CCP were to add a significant amount of items for sale for only around 100-500 AUR, as well as made these items only available for purchase at the NeX and not sell-able in the normal market many people would actually wan't to buy from the NeX and all that money would go right to CCP enabling them to in turn give us more content and faster updates for EVE. This of course goes hand in hand with WiS as public spaces in stations would be a driving force behind the desire to spend money on clothes as the main reason people buy clothes is because they want other people to see them. For example it seems to me that people have a stronger attraction to items like the synthetic eyes simply because they know that other players are going to be able to see them. Shoes and Bottoms seem to go for significantly less on the market for the most part because they can't be seen by other players, can't be a status symbol, and can't serve any purpose other than passing amusement by the owner. The great part about this is that working on the in station environments and content would contribute to expanding the playerbase in the long term while increasing NeX sales in the short term. Both of these things would increase profits and would allow CCP to hire more people, and this only leads to one thing: better content, more content, faster.
Just because CCP got a little out of hand doesn't mean that they should take a 180 degree turn in development. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.10.24 10:08:00 -
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Tallianna Avenkarde
Beasts of Burden
92
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Posted - 2011.10.24 10:09:00 -
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Surprisingly enough, I agree that CCP should continue with Incarna and vanity micro-transactions....
But not at the expense of FiS, which is where they were headed.
And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell. |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
96
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Posted - 2011.10.24 10:14:00 -
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Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:Surprisingly enough, I agree that CCP should continue with Incarna and vanity micro-transactions....
But not at the expense of FiS, which is where they were headed.
you know what, I think many people think the same (albeit the MT bit is.. discussable), including me.
Incarna is the way to go, BUT not at the expense of the rest of the game.
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[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote]
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Sgt Maru
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
44
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Posted - 2011.10.24 10:20:00 -
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Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:Surprisingly enough, I agree that CCP should continue with Incarna and vanity micro-transactions....
But not at the expense of FiS, which is where they were headed.
2nd. WiS has so much potential, we all love our Fish, but now that we have ship spinning back, and it's here to stay, I think that after the winter expansion adds more space content a few more sections of resources could be allocated to working on WiS, which will hit some apex if level that it can be taken too and by that time there will be new things to address back in space. Maybe CUP should do alternating expansions, Incarna gave us the system for CQ's, winter brings us back to balance with space, next expansion after that should be station based, then back to space after that. |
Jokerface666
Ever Flow
Northern Coalition.
70
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Posted - 2011.10.24 10:22:00 -
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Noone really said that incarna should never be implemented, what the majority is stating, ist that Incarna shoudl be implemented when all the important things are done first (bugs, balancing) then they can make incarna and WiS.
If FiS would have been working like a charm, noone would have complained about WiS to begin with.
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Kira Bellum
Schwarzwald Homeland
0
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Posted - 2011.10.24 10:23:00 -
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Eve is a niche market.
and you're proposing that the future is to become like every other game (but inevitably worse due to funding and lack of experience)?
then when Eve becomes WoW in space, the WoW players will realize they would have more fun with the next expansion in wow than eve and leave.
then eve will be left with nothing because all the niche players left already.
If you want an example of Eve with incarna, and dumbed down for the masses, look at Star trek online. Not successful.
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Tallianna Avenkarde
Beasts of Burden
92
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Posted - 2011.10.24 10:25:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:Surprisingly enough, I agree that CCP should continue with Incarna and vanity micro-transactions....
But not at the expense of FiS, which is where they were headed. you know what, I think many people think the same (albeit the MT bit is.. discussable), including me. Incarna is the way to go, BUT not at the expense of the rest of the game.
Vanity MT hurts no one, as long as it stays vanity, it's ok in my books
And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell. |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
KUGUTSUMEN.
220
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Posted - 2011.10.24 10:30:00 -
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Eve doesn't NEED Incarna. 10 years ago the only thing CCP had developed was a board game, then they made Eve. Look at CCP now and how they have grown on the back of Eve alone. Realize that Eve never had WiS. In short Eve has grown and CCP as well WITHOUT WiS, which means as a company and a game they don't NEED or HAVE to have WiS.
I'm not against having WiS in game. However I don't think that its critical to Eves survival or CCPs. Also it should never take priority over FiS. |
Halcyon Ingenium
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.10.24 10:31:00 -
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Kira Bellum wrote:Eve is a niche market.
and you're proposing that the future is to become like every other game (but inevitably worse due to funding and lack of experience)?
then when Eve becomes WoW in space, the WoW players will realize they would have more fun with the next expansion in wow than eve and leave.
then eve will be left with nothing because all the niche players left already.
If you want an example of Eve with incarna, and dumbed down for the masses, look at Star trek online. Not successful.
EVE will never be WoW in space until they release a Jovian expansion, and that it turns out all Jovians are actual furries that wished they were panda people, accomplished this through genetic engineering, and then become depressed and an hero because..., wait for it..., they are ******* panda people. That's right, the Jovian disease is being born to furry parents that are panda people, and being suicidally depressed about your lot in life.
The loser in any fight consols himself with a moral victory. Thus is the beginning of slave-morality. |
pussnheels
Vintage heavy industries
132
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Posted - 2011.10.24 10:32:00 -
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i agree with my fellow posters that the whole concept of incarna i sgood but should NOT be at the expense of FIS
I wwrote in a earlier post that we will have WIS but it will take longer to implement
Even a little bit each year wil lbe great aslong it stays optional and has a use ingame even just social use would be good
I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
KUGUTSUMEN.
220
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Posted - 2011.10.24 10:33:00 -
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Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:Grimpak wrote:Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:Surprisingly enough, I agree that CCP should continue with Incarna and vanity micro-transactions....
But not at the expense of FiS, which is where they were headed. you know what, I think many people think the same (albeit the MT bit is.. discussable), including me. Incarna is the way to go, BUT not at the expense of the rest of the game. Vanity MT hurts no one, as long as it stays vanity, it's ok in my books
It hurts everyone. When you pay a subscription you should be entitled to everything that service provides. Or at least the possibly of getting it without spending extra. So what my $15 a month isn't good enough for these pants? A hybrid system of Sub+MT is fail and only shows a companies greed and willingness to milk its player base. Even if it just vanity.
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Tallianna Avenkarde
Beasts of Burden
92
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Posted - 2011.10.24 10:39:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:Grimpak wrote:Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:Surprisingly enough, I agree that CCP should continue with Incarna and vanity micro-transactions....
But not at the expense of FiS, which is where they were headed. you know what, I think many people think the same (albeit the MT bit is.. discussable), including me. Incarna is the way to go, BUT not at the expense of the rest of the game. Vanity MT hurts no one, as long as it stays vanity, it's ok in my books It hurts everyone. When you pay a subscription you should be entitled to everything that service provides. Or at least the possibly of getting it without spending extra. So what my $15 a month isn't good enough for these pants? A hybrid system of Sub+MT is fail and only shows a companies greed and willingness to milk its player base. Even if it just vanity.
If you don't like it, don't buy it. Think of it like the optional extras when ou buy a car, you don't HAVE to buy the metallic paint, and buying the metallic paint doesn't improve the vehicle's performance.
And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
4
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Posted - 2011.10.24 10:42:00 -
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Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:Grimpak wrote:Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:Surprisingly enough, I agree that CCP should continue with Incarna and vanity micro-transactions....
But not at the expense of FiS, which is where they were headed. you know what, I think many people think the same (albeit the MT bit is.. discussable), including me. Incarna is the way to go, BUT not at the expense of the rest of the game. Vanity MT hurts no one, as long as it stays vanity, it's ok in my books
That doesn't mean vanity MT is a good thing though, it's just something most people can live with. It still raises resistance and costs you subscribers, since people already pay for a subscription. Massive amount of customization is also a strong selling point in a game for some people and it could have been that way for EVE, but making the choice of putting most of it behind a significant MT barrier pretty much negates that entire point. So vanity MT is ok, but it will still cost you subs and makes the game less appealing to the players compared to what it could have been, so it isn't exactly harmless either. |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
KUGUTSUMEN.
220
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Posted - 2011.10.24 10:50:00 -
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Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:
If you don't like it, don't buy it. Think of it like the optional extras when ou buy a car, you don't HAVE to buy the metallic paint, and buying the metallic paint doesn't improve the vehicle's performance.
In the same way that Eve doesn't HAVE to have MTs in it. The NeX store won't/doesn't increase the demand for Plex enough to warrant its existence. In the end what CCP is going to do is drive some players away who see Eve is a Sub based game with MTs, which is a major turn off for alot of players. With NeX being a utter failure and the fact that vanity items will not sell enough no matter what they do to warrant its existence. Once they realize this they WILL start looking for non vanity items to sell. Its been proven in other games as well its only a matter of time for Eve. Removing it completely will remove even the temptation of pushing it foward.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
100
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Posted - 2011.10.24 10:52:00 -
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Good post.
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Flamespar
Woof Club
76
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Posted - 2011.10.24 10:57:00 -
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Lol.
Thank god that all the Incarna haters that don't see the need to evolve and try new things weren't around when CCP used to be a boardgame company.
"OMG this boardgame does not need spaceships or features that the players haven't asked for! I'm so going to totally burn it and you to the ground now."
I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2011.10.24 11:00:00 -
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EVE needs WiS... CCP cant get money they need only from bitter vets... EVE needs new players and you all know that new players dont stick to EVE es much as to other games... ppl like MMORPG role playing game... ppl like to say:
"I am this sexy girl that everyone wants to see in station but not in space because I bring terror in space"
"you see me down, lets talk... you see me up, you are dead"
thats play-stile ppl wants and thats what brings more money... without that its stagnation... and in years death of EVE because there will be game for CCP with beter income then EVE... |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
KUGUTSUMEN.
220
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Posted - 2011.10.24 11:02:00 -
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Avila Cracko wrote:EVE needs WiS... CCP cant get money they need only from bitter vets... EVE needs new players and you all know that new players dont stick to EVE es much as to other games... ppl like MMORPG role playing game... ppl like to say:
"I am this sexy girl that everyone wants to see in station but not in space because I bring terror in space"
"you see me down, lets talk... you see me up, you are dead"
thats play-stile ppl wants and thats what brings more money... without that its stagnation... and in years death of EVE because there will be game for CCP with beter income then EVE...
If people join Eve just because it has full body avatars they won't stay around long either.
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Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2011.10.24 11:13:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Avila Cracko wrote:EVE needs WiS... CCP cant get money they need only from bitter vets... EVE needs new players and you all know that new players dont stick to EVE es much as to other games... ppl like MMORPG role playing game... ppl like to say:
"I am this sexy girl that everyone wants to see in station but not in space because I bring terror in space"
"you see me down, lets talk... you see me up, you are dead"
thats play-stile ppl wants and thats what brings more money... without that its stagnation... and in years death of EVE because there will be game for CCP with beter income then EVE... If people join Eve just because it has full body avatars they won't stay around long either.
look at youtube... i saw few tryouts that young players gave to EVE... they play for 30 minutes, get frustrated and deinstall EVE... all ppl see is ship... and what to do... where am I... who am I... and other questions they ask but no answer...
and... where is interaction with other players???
in chat box???
for that there is MSN, ICQ and other aplications...
only real interaction in eve is when your missile hits other ship... and for new player that is when his ship explodes...
there need to be layers which intrigue player for space... and involve player in story of eve like a person... because we are persons and thats the easiest way...
and one more thing... give noobs some place where they can chill with others and feel safe and equal... |
Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2011.10.24 11:17:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Avila Cracko wrote:EVE needs WiS... CCP cant get money they need only from bitter vets... EVE needs new players and you all know that new players dont stick to EVE es much as to other games... ppl like MMORPG role playing game... ppl like to say:
"I am this sexy girl that everyone wants to see in station but not in space because I bring terror in space"
"you see me down, lets talk... you see me up, you are dead"
thats play-stile ppl wants and thats what brings more money... without that its stagnation... and in years death of EVE because there will be game for CCP with beter income then EVE... If people join Eve just because it has full body avatars they won't stay around long either.
look at youtube... i saw few tryouts that young players gave to EVE... they play for 30 minutes, get frustrated and deinstall EVE... all ppl see is ship... and what to do... where am I... who am I... and other questions they ask but no answer...
and... where is interaction with other players???
in chat box???
for that there is MSN, ICQ and other aplications...
only real interaction in eve is when your missile hits other ship... and for new player that is when his ship explodes...
there need to be layers which intrigue player for space... and involve player in story of eve like a person... because we are persons and thats the easiest way...
and one more thing... give noobs some place where they can chill with others and feel safe and equal...
EDIT: sorry for double post... clicked refresh... :/ |
McRoll
Heatseekers
4
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Posted - 2011.10.24 11:22:00 -
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Avila Cracko wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:Avila Cracko wrote:EVE needs WiS... CCP cant get money they need only from bitter vets... EVE needs new players and you all know that new players dont stick to EVE es much as to other games... ppl like MMORPG role playing game... ppl like to say:
"I am this sexy girl that everyone wants to see in station but not in space because I bring terror in space"
"you see me down, lets talk... you see me up, you are dead"
thats play-stile ppl wants and thats what brings more money... without that its stagnation... and in years death of EVE because there will be game for CCP with beter income then EVE... If people join Eve just because it has full body avatars they won't stay around long either. look at youtube... i saw few tryouts that young players gave to EVE... they play for 30 minutes, get frustrated and deinstall EVE... all ppl see is ship... and what to do... where am I... who am I... and other questions they ask but no answer... and... where is interaction with other players??? in chat box??? for that there is MSN, ICQ and other aplications... only real interaction in eve is when your missile hits other ship... and for new player that is when his ship explodes... there need to be layers which intrigue player for space... and involve player in story of eve like a person... because we are persons and thats the easiest way... and one more thing... give noobs some place where they can chill with others and feel safe and equal...
You know what, its a good thing that people like them don't join eve. Some games aren't meant for the masses, this is one of the reasons I play Eve personally. I dont want this game to become a MMO for a broad audience. Look at the crap WoW has become (I still remember the game from before the first addon).
CCP is in an unique situation, it is about the only MMO that offers enough content and complexity to keep one entertained for years, no other MMO offers that (tell me one if its there). It would be their worst mistake to "casualize" it.
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Di Mulle
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Posted - 2011.10.24 11:26:00 -
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Avila Cracko wrote:
and... where is interaction with other players???
in chat box???
for that there is MSN, ICQ and other aplications...
Now if you go just a little bit further in thinking, you would realize that Incarna, as it was, has exactly the same problem. "where is interaction with other players???" . Yes - in a chat box. Except that in a background there is not a spaceship, but some avatar. Contrary to that avatar, spaceship can also fire missiles, you know.
Unless you call showing pants in some bar an "iteraction" .
Incarna would have been quite nice (although without much sense) eye-candy addition to a main game, except that an addition needs something to be added to. It happened, that limit on development resources presented a harsh choice - main thing without addition, or addition with nothing to be added to.
CCP (and us too) has been overly optimistic, thought that choice can be avoided.
CCP is unable to implement simpliest things. Like settting to hide signatures. So they sweep it under a rug . Children do that in their pre-shool years, CCP does it being adults. Probably because it is fearless enough. |
Azahni Vah'nos
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
54
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Posted - 2011.10.24 11:26:00 -
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Anu Vare wrote:Lots of people complain about how slow CCP is with developing new expansions. What they don't realize is that this takes money and if players wan't more expansions, and faster expansions CCP has to start making more money.
From a post on the old EVE forums after analysing CCP's finacial report. Link And there was another review showing how little CCP was re-investing back into EVE development (can't find it atm).
Quote: TLDR: Dust and WoD are burning too much cash and therefore CCP needs to show that microtransactions can work in EVE so they can convince banks/investors to give them a cash injection. Ideally yesterday.
So now we have the cash shop, not to benefit the players, but because CCP management screwed up royally with the company's finances. And because of that we should have to accept microtransactions in the game? I don't think so.
The NEX store shouldn't even exist in EVE Online, you know the sandbox game.
Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna.
Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
Inari Kobayashi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2011.10.24 11:27:00 -
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As mentioned on the other post - surely its all about gameplay.
If CCP got the gameplay right the whole FiS/WiS divide would not exist - it would just be EVE.
I do not accept that WiS = space barbies or even dumbed down EVE. There is absolutely no reason why Incarna cannot deepen and expand the complex gameplay we have in EVE. Its just not there at the moment.
Retreating to CQ's because they couldn't deliver on full Incarna was a terrible mistake but you can sort of see why they had to try it given the weight of expectation over Incarna.
I would love to see them take their time in the background avoid any hype, get it right second time around and release it when its done. |
Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2011.10.24 11:41:00 -
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McRoll wrote:Avila Cracko wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:Avila Cracko wrote:EVE needs WiS... CCP cant get money they need only from bitter vets... EVE needs new players and you all know that new players dont stick to EVE es much as to other games... ppl like MMORPG role playing game... ppl like to say:
"I am this sexy girl that everyone wants to see in station but not in space because I bring terror in space"
"you see me down, lets talk... you see me up, you are dead"
thats play-stile ppl wants and thats what brings more money... without that its stagnation... and in years death of EVE because there will be game for CCP with beter income then EVE... If people join Eve just because it has full body avatars they won't stay around long either. look at youtube... i saw few tryouts that young players gave to EVE... they play for 30 minutes, get frustrated and deinstall EVE... all ppl see is ship... and what to do... where am I... who am I... and other questions they ask but no answer... and... where is interaction with other players??? in chat box??? for that there is MSN, ICQ and other aplications... only real interaction in eve is when your missile hits other ship... and for new player that is when his ship explodes... there need to be layers which intrigue player for space... and involve player in story of eve like a person... because we are persons and thats the easiest way... and one more thing... give noobs some place where they can chill with others and feel safe and equal... You know what, its a good thing that people like them don't join eve. Some games aren't meant for the masses, this is one of the reasons I play Eve personally. I dont want this game to become a MMO for a broad audience. Look at the crap WoW has become (I still remember the game from before the first addon).
EvE cant become that... eve requires a brain... and nothing can change that... stupid ppl will leave EVE with or without incarna... just with incarna some ppl with brain that would left now will stay because they can say "here I am" |
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange
Fatal Ascension
165
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Posted - 2011.10.24 11:43:00 -
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Inari Kobayashi wrote:As mentioned on the other post - surely its all about gameplay.
If CCP got the gameplay right the whole FiS/WiS divide would not exist - it would just be EVE.
I do not accept that WiS = space barbies or even dumbed down EVE. There is absolutely no reason why Incarna cannot deepen and expand the complex gameplay we have in EVE. Its just not there at the moment.
Retreating to CQ's because they couldn't deliver on full Incarna was a terrible mistake but you can sort of see why they had to try it given the weight of expectation over Incarna.
I would love to see them take their time in the background avoid any hype, get it right second time around and release it when its done.
If they had done 2 things differently, we would all still want Incarna.
1) don't strip eve of dev resources for almost 2 years
2) don't release the product til its actually, you know, finished. Just because microsoft can get away with it doesn't mean CCP can.
Edit: not that we don't want Incarna, necessarily, but we certainly aren't excited about it anymore.
o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist..
KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2011.10.24 11:46:00 -
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Di Mulle wrote:Avila Cracko wrote:
and... where is interaction with other players???
in chat box???
for that there is MSN, ICQ and other aplications...
Now if you go just a little bit further in thinking, you would realize that Incarna, as it was, has exactly the same problem. "where is interaction with other players???" . Yes - in a chat box. Except that in a background there is not a spaceship, but some avatar. Contrary to that avatar, spaceship can also fire missiles, you know. Unless you call showing pants in some bar an "interaction" . Incarna would have been quite nice (although without much sense) eye-candy addition to a main game, except that an addition needs something to be added to. It happened, that limit on development resources presented a harsh choice - main thing without addition, or addition with nothing to be added to. CCP (and us too) has been overly optimistic, thought that choice can be avoided.
look a little in screen when you play eve... in 99% of cases you dont see anything because you play it so zoomed out... and only thing that say to to that you are "not alone" is some text in overview...
that feeling of loneliness is what multiplayer avatar system would fix... + yea... eye-candy is plus too... :)
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McRoll
Heatseekers
7
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Posted - 2011.10.24 11:50:00 -
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@ Cracko:
I wouldn't be so sure that Eve cannot become that. Just recently CCP changed all the mission agents to Qlvl 20 and removed or redone them to security and distribution (?) instead of different specializations. Its those little changes that accumulate over time and go unnoticed per se but in the end the game becomes more and more shallow. Whether these changes are good or not is up to discussion, I for one would like them to improve a feature if its not used or neglected, instead of removing it.
Edit: Space is big and empty, I like that touch of loneliness! |
Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.24 11:58:00 -
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McRoll wrote:@ Cracko:
I wouldn't be so sure that Eve cannot become that. Just recently CCP changed all the mission agents to Qlvl 20 and removed or redone them to security and distribution (?) instead of different specializations. Its those little changes that accumulate over time and go unnoticed per se but in the end the game becomes more and more shallow. Whether these changes are good or not is up to discussion, I for one would like them to improve a feature if its not used or neglected, instead of removing it.
Edit: Space is big and empty, I like that touch of loneliness!
thats not because Incarna... and we should make noise to devs about that little things that hurt eve and not be against future development of EVE...
about your Edit:
i like to be alone in RL sometimes too... and when i need to get things done... but... after that i go out to see my friends face to face... and you cant say that e-mail or phone conversation is the same as have a beer with friend... (ok... ok... i know someone will say its the same... but... De gustibus (et coloribus) non est disputandum... and we are talking about normal social ppl (there is saying in Sociology "Humans are social animal"))
p.s.
i like to have normal conversation on this forums for a change...
thnx :) |
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