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pussnheels
Vintage heavy industries
132
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Posted - 2011.10.24 10:15:00 -
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Whole morning i ve been checking to see if there is a new devblog about the new Battlecruisers On average every15 minutes , but nothing
Come on CCP tell us when the next devblog is or show them NOW , I am dieing to know how the other 3 look like and if you can add stats and slotlayout aswell even better
PPPLLEEEAAASSEEE I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
340

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Posted - 2011.10.24 10:19:00 -
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Sorry to keep you waiting, but our plan is to show one model every week.
CCP Spitfire | Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire |
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Tallianna Avenkarde
Beasts of Burden
92
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Posted - 2011.10.24 10:21:00 -
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C'mon Spitty, just a widdle peek?? Or a vague description? And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell. |

pussnheels
Vintage heavy industries
132
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Posted - 2011.10.24 10:23:00 -
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CCP Spitfire wrote:Sorry to keep you waiting, but our plan is to show one model every week.
sigh i know i am just being impatient , that devbloggot me excited like many others
but lets make a deal show the amarrian first will you all the rest will be heresy anyway I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |

Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
14
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Posted - 2011.10.24 11:17:00 -
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Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:C'mon Spitty, just a widdle peek?? Or a vague description?
looks more like we're in for a piddle week
or three ...
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
342

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Posted - 2011.10.24 11:18:00 -
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CCP Navigator is asking on Twitter which new battlecruiser would you like to see this week, so feel free to chime in. 
CCP Spitfire | Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire |
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Tallianna Avenkarde
Beasts of Burden
92
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Posted - 2011.10.24 11:23:00 -
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Alas, for I am not a twit could someone please #tweetfleet gallente for me?  And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell. |

ISquishWorms
22
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Posted - 2011.10.24 11:27:00 -
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CCP you tease. Perhaps you could show us the front of one BC the back of another, and the side from each of the remaining two?  |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
342

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Posted - 2011.10.24 11:38:00 -
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Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:Alas, for I am not a twit  could someone please #tweetfleet gallente for me? 
Happy to oblige; it's done. 
CCP Spitfire | Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire |
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Calathea Sata
State War Academy Caldari State
2611
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Posted - 2011.10.24 11:48:00 -
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Amarr
Gallante
Caldari
I know the future. n++n+ón+în+àn+ôn+ôn+ën+Än+çn+ô n+ån+Æn+Ån+ì n+ön+ên+à n+¦n+òn+àn+àn+Ä n+Ån+å n+în+ën+ïn+àn+ôGäón+Ü n+¼n+ën+ïn+à n+àn+ûn+àn+Æn+Ön+Ån+Än+à n+àn+ûn+àn+Æn+Ön+ön+ën+ìn+à n+Ön+Ån+ò n+ôn+àn+à n+ön+ên+à n+în+ën+ïn+à n+én+òn+ön+ön+Ån+Än+ü n+Ñn+ûn+àn+Æn+Ö n+Æn+àn+Én+în+Ö n+ùn+ën+în+î n+én+à n+în+ën+ïn+àn+ä n+ën+å n+ön+ên+àn+Æn+à n+ën+ô n+ìn+Ö n+Én+Æn+àn+ôn+àn+Än+ân+àn+Ä n+¦n+ên+à n+ìn+Ån+Æn+à n+Ön+Ån+ò n+Æn+àn+Én+în+Ö n+ön+ên+à n+ìn+Ån+Æn+à n+în+ën+ïn+àn+ô n+Ön+Ån+ò n+ùn+ën+în+î n+çn+àn+ön+ü |
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Htrag
The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone
11
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Posted - 2011.10.24 12:01:00 -
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Why does this feel like we're being jerked around again with more vaporware. Whatever "dev" it was that removed the pod squish sound probably never even logged into the game. |

Calathea Sata
State War Academy Caldari State
2611
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Posted - 2011.10.24 12:04:00 -
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Htrag wrote:Why does this feel like we're being jerked around again with more vaporware. :CCP: n++n+ón+în+àn+ôn+ôn+ën+Än+çn+ô n+ån+Æn+Ån+ì n+ön+ên+à n+¦n+òn+àn+àn+Ä n+Ån+å n+în+ën+ïn+àn+ôGäón+Ü n+¼n+ën+ïn+à n+àn+ûn+àn+Æn+Ön+Ån+Än+à n+àn+ûn+àn+Æn+Ön+ön+ën+ìn+à n+Ön+Ån+ò n+ôn+àn+à n+ön+ên+à n+în+ën+ïn+à n+én+òn+ön+ön+Ån+Än+ü n+Ñn+ûn+àn+Æn+Ö n+Æn+àn+Én+în+Ö n+ùn+ën+în+î n+én+à n+în+ën+ïn+àn+ä n+ën+å n+ön+ên+àn+Æn+à n+ën+ô n+ìn+Ö n+Én+Æn+àn+ôn+àn+Än+ân+àn+Ä n+¦n+ên+à n+ìn+Ån+Æn+à n+Ön+Ån+ò n+Æn+àn+Én+în+Ö n+ön+ên+à n+ìn+Ån+Æn+à n+în+ën+ïn+àn+ô n+Ön+Ån+ò n+ùn+ën+în+î n+çn+àn+ön+ü |

Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
277
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Posted - 2011.10.24 12:08:00 -
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CCP Spitfire, ur tease and denial methods are rather good lol The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |

Comy 1
Ore Mongers Indecisive Certainty
51
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Posted - 2011.10.24 12:27:00 -
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Give us the Amarr one first or you will have to do the russian dance Spitfire.
I'm serious this time, show me them lasers....
Also you better show the Caldari one last if you plan on making it a hybrid boat to give you more time to maybe announce the hybrid change. Else I sense that haters gonna hate. |

Amro One
One.
5
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Posted - 2011.10.24 12:50:00 -
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Caldari BC
Every one loves Caldari so lets see that one next.
Its Monday morning still no Dev Blog. Its like Incarna all over again.
Internet Barbie must live on. |

Zagam
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
204
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Posted - 2011.10.24 13:10:00 -
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Amro One wrote:Caldari BC
Every one loves Caldari so lets see that one next.
Its Monday morning still no Dev Blog. Its like Incarna all over again.
Internet Barbie must live on. Huh?
Its Monday, yes. but what does a lack of dev blog have to do with it being Incarna? Or are you just bored? |

SilentSkills
Estrale Frontiers
7
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Posted - 2011.10.24 13:14:00 -
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Amro One wrote:Caldari BC
Every one loves Caldari so lets see that one next.
Its Monday morning still no Dev Blog. Its like Incarna all over again.
Internet Barbie must live on.
0/10
your bitter tears are sweet to me |

Tallianna Avenkarde
Beasts of Burden
95
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Posted - 2011.10.24 13:16:00 -
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CCP Spitfire wrote:Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:Alas, for I am not a twit  could someone please #tweetfleet gallente for me?  Happy to oblige; it's done. 
Thankyou Mr. Spitfire sir!        And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell. |

Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp BricK sQuAD.
120
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Posted - 2011.10.24 13:18:00 -
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caldari next pls.
i wanna see 7 launcher points, 7,7,6 slot lay out if you could CCP-áare full of words and no action. We watch what they do and its nothing but false statements and lies.
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Forlorn Wongraven
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
9
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Posted - 2011.10.24 13:27:00 -
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Smoking Blunts wrote:caldari next pls.
i wanna see 7 launcher points, 7,7,6 slot lay out if you could
Predicting blaster bonus here... Ugleb > and TDR won't log in so long as their core members are demotivated for whichever reason is in flavour this week |
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Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp BricK sQuAD.
120
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Posted - 2011.10.24 13:28:00 -
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Forlorn Wongraven wrote:Smoking Blunts wrote:caldari next pls.
i wanna see 7 launcher points, 7,7,6 slot lay out if you could Predicting blaster bonus here...
yeh, they just hate missiles. i love missiles dam them CCP-áare full of words and no action. We watch what they do and its nothing but false statements and lies.
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Ravcharas
GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda
24
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Posted - 2011.10.24 13:29:00 -
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CCP Spitfire wrote:Sorry to keep you waiting, but our plan is to show one model every week. When do you plan on releasing the stats? |

Kenpachi Viktor
Gradient Electus Matari
84
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Posted - 2011.10.24 13:31:00 -
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+1 gallente "Watch what they do not what they say. Talk is cheap, and while I do like the current activity of the Devs it really doesn't mean much unless we start seeing results."-á |

Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
24
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Posted - 2011.10.24 13:42:00 -
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I'll be happy if I hear something about a tool that will make it possible to balance the mess in realtime on TQ after these new hulls have been introduced  |

Asroha Cloudwalker
Cloudwalker Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2011.10.24 15:21:00 -
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CCP Spitfire wrote:Sorry to keep you waiting, but our plan is to show one model every week.
So, with releasing these teasers once a week puts the Winter Expansion release sometime in early December?
After Monoclegate, I would think you guys would communicate a little more, and with more substance. You should actually release teasers about the Winter Expansion itself. Lots of us are waiting for that, as that will show us what direction EVE is actually heading, and whether we should extend our subs or not. |

Toros Revoke
Revoke Foundation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.24 15:50:00 -
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So are we going to have these by christmas? |

Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics BRABODEN
336
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Posted - 2011.10.24 15:54:00 -
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Gallente plox! |

Ammzi
Imperial Guardians Blazing Angels Alliance
75
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Posted - 2011.10.24 16:00:00 -
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Amarr!! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Ager Agemo
I N E X T R E M I S Fidelas Constans
9
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Posted - 2011.10.24 16:06:00 -
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This pls :D
caldari Tier 3 Battlecruiser 8 7 6
Slot layout 8 launchers :D Bonus to fit the big launchers BC skill= 5% Explo speed/radius bonus for cruise/torps 7.5% shield boosting bonus
OR
8 hybrids Bonus to fit large hybrids 7.5% Tracking bonus for large hybrids 7.5% Damage bonus for large hybrids 7.5% Bonus for shield large boosting :D pls no resistance buff, drake is already overtanked enought to have another space brick flying around.
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Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
423
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Posted - 2011.10.24 16:09:00 -
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The Caldari one should shoot torpedoes that have blasters mounted to them.  Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
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SFM Hobb3s
Vanguard Frontiers Intrepid Crossing
2
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Posted - 2011.10.24 16:18:00 -
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Asroha Cloudwalker wrote:CCP Spitfire wrote:Sorry to keep you waiting, but our plan is to show one model every week. So, with releasing these teasers once a week puts the Winter Expansion release sometime in early December? After Monoclegate, I would think you guys would communicate a little more, and with more substance. You should actually release teasers about the Winter Expansion itself. Lots of us are waiting for that, as that will show us what direction EVE is actually heading, and whether we should extend our subs or not.
While not necessarily for the new ships I thought I'd read they plan on putting out some nice videos with the upcoming eve blogs to show how winter is shaping up, so I wouldn't fret about the whole substance thing.
Considering how the summer went, the last few weeks have presented very good outlook for the eve community. Props to them for taking some bold steps. |

Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
109
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Posted - 2011.10.24 16:20:00 -
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CCP Spitfire wrote:Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:Alas, for I am not a twit  could someone please #tweetfleet gallente for me?  Happy to oblige; it's done. 
i second the gallente [not a twitter user] Anyone who is blue to DRF are cowards and have failed Eve.
MM Bombers, Best Bombers |

Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
40
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Posted - 2011.10.24 16:34:00 -
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Smoking Blunts wrote:caldari next pls.
i wanna see 7 launcher points, 7,7,6 slot lay out if you could
Yeah, if someone could tweet me for Caldari, please, that'd be appreciated. (Meh, Twitter...)
I think though, that 7/6/5, 8/6/4, or 7/7/4 would probably be what it'll get. Unless they plan to diverge from the 18-total slot layout that the Tier 2's (except Myrm) have? |

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
102
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Posted - 2011.10.24 16:37:00 -
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If I have to redesign one of my ships again becuase it looks too similar to something put out I'll be mad. However I have seen the concept from CCP the amarrian Battlecruiser I am not sure if it survived but if you want an idea how it looks its a shurnk down amarrian carrier made into battleship instead of drone boat.
Then again the face book winner deserves the spot alot more. |

pussnheels
Vintage heavy industries
133
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Posted - 2011.10.24 18:33:00 -
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Will you all please be quit ; it will be the amarrian next because everything else is just less ; not only do we have the best looking ships we also use lazers and we tank armor like real men and women
So no discussion possible it will be amarrian next I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
318
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Posted - 2011.10.24 18:44:00 -
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Ummmm so all these 8-6-7 / 8-7-6 slot predictions are pretty much wishful thinking. These BC's are most certainly not going to have battleship DPS layout, with 7 slot tanks. The whole point is fast and fragile - not tanky battleship wannabes. Currently battleships don't even have 8/7/6 layouts except in extreme cases.
I think more likely we'll see BC's with maybe 4-5 large turrets and some damage bonuses, and fewer slots for tanking than their Tier 2 counterparts. These will not be UBERcanes. They'll be more like harder hitting Muninns and Eagles and Zealots. Snipey ships that rely on speed, evasion, or formation for defense. Frigates should be able to eat them alive if they're to be balanced at all.
Just trying to temper expectations....I think current slot layouts being tossed around this thread are pretty unrealistic. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
87
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Posted - 2011.10.24 18:45:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:If I have to redesign one of my ships again becuase it looks too similar to something put out I'll be mad. However I have seen the concept from CCP the amarrian Battlecruiser I am not sure if it survived but if you want an idea how it looks its a shurnk down amarrian carrier made into battleship instead of drone boat.
Then again the face book winner deserves the spot alot more.
Well, they did confirm yesterday that the other 3 BC's would indeed be player designs... "hidden gems" in the Deviant Art contest. Which 3, at this point, are anybodys guess.
It's best to show Amarrian next, then Caldari, and save the "revolutionary" Gallante for last.
You can look at that list as building suspense, or in order of importance, whichever you prefer.  To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |

pussnheels
Vintage heavy industries
134
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Posted - 2011.10.24 18:57:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Ummmm so all these 8-6-7 / 8-7-6 slot predictions are pretty much wishful thinking. These BC's are most certainly not going to have battleship DPS layout, with 7 slot tanks. The whole point is fast and fragile - not tanky battleship wannabes. Currently battleships don't even have 8/7/6 layouts except in extreme cases.
I think more likely we'll see BC's with maybe 4-5 large turrets and some damage bonuses, and fewer slots for tanking than their Tier 2 counterparts. These will not be UBERcanes. They'll be more like harder hitting Muninns and Eagles and Zealots. Snipey ships that rely on speed, evasion, or formation for defense. Frigates should be able to eat them alive if they're to be balanced at all.
Just trying to temper expectations....I think current slot layouts being tossed around this thread are pretty unrealistic. i am pretty sure you will be right
i am pretty much thinking like our own historical battlecruisers but we will not know untill they release the stats
Amarrian first please I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
131
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Posted - 2011.10.24 19:38:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Nova Fox wrote:If I have to redesign one of my ships again becuase it looks too similar to something put out I'll be mad. However I have seen the concept from CCP the amarrian Battlecruiser I am not sure if it survived but if you want an idea how it looks its a shurnk down amarrian carrier made into battleship instead of drone boat.
Then again the face book winner deserves the spot alot more. Well, they did confirm yesterday that the other 3 BC's would indeed be player designs... "hidden gems" in the Deviant Art contest. Which 3, at this point, are anybodys guess. It's best to show Amarrian next, then Caldari, and save the "revolutionary" Gallante for last. You can look at that list as building suspense, or in order of importance, whichever you prefer. 
I'll be extremly mad if they pick my contest entry as a warship, its purely civillian. Though the gallente one I seen popping up the Aqulion is worthy of gallente and the face book winner definetly amarrian. |

Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2011.10.24 19:45:00 -
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Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:Alas, for I am not a twit  could someone please #tweetfleet gallente for me? 
Same pliiiiiz? 
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
197
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Posted - 2011.10.24 19:48:00 -
[41] - Quote
Gallente. |

Zimmy Zeta
Humanidyne Inc.
22
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Posted - 2011.10.24 19:50:00 -
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As long as they haven't fixed the hybrids yet, amarr is the only one that makes sense.
But sense is overrated.... |

Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2011.10.24 19:52:00 -
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Ager Agemo wrote:This pls :D
caldari Tier 3 Battlecruiser 8 4 3
Slot layout 8 launchers :D Bonus to fit the big launchers 5% speed/radius bonus 5% Kin dmg cruise/torps 7.5% shield amount bonus
OR
8 hybrids Bonus to fit large hybrids 7.5% Tracking and fall off bonus large hybrids per level 7.5% Damage bonus large hybrids per level 7.5% Bonus optimal weapons and stasis webfier range, 7.5% bonus stasis web strength per level :D
Fixed 4U 
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praznimrak
Level Up
0
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Posted - 2011.10.24 19:55:00 -
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http://browse.deviantart.com/contests/2010/eveonline/#/d30po2r
This for ammar bc |

Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2011.10.24 19:56:00 -
[45] - Quote
Obsidian Hawk wrote:Gallente.
This
Also:
Tanya Powers |

praznimrak
Level Up
0
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Posted - 2011.10.24 19:59:00 -
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http://browse.deviantart.com/contests/2010/eveonline/#/d30pzem Caldari |

praznimrak
Level Up
0
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:01:00 -
[47] - Quote
http://browse.deviantart.com/contests/2010/eveonline/#/d30nxek gallente |

Mr LaForge
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
98
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:17:00 -
[48] - Quote
CALDARI ONE NOW. MUST SEE THE NEW DRAKE. |

Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics BRABODEN
341
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:20:00 -
[49] - Quote
praznimrak wrote:http://browse.deviantart.com/contests/2010/eveonline/#/d30pzem Caldari
Oh I like that. And it even seems to have oversized guns. Hope they choose it. Have seen some other great Caldari ones too though. |

Catlos JeminJees
E.M.P. Industries Shadow of xXDEATHXx
8
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:46:00 -
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CCP Spitfire wrote:Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:Alas, for I am not a twit  could someone please #tweetfleet gallente for me?  Happy to oblige; it's done. 
I also lack the Tweeter skill book. can you also Tweet Gallente for me. :) |
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Arethanerielle Xhiril
Black Plasma Corporation
3
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:02:00 -
[51] - Quote
ah cmon, in light of recent events, everybody's eager to see all the love CCP will give to the gals with their new toy.
OR WON'T YA 
so +1 gallente it is |

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
121
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:08:00 -
[52] - Quote
Hull design is all very well, but when do we get to see ship stats? |

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
121
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:09:00 -
[53] - Quote
Oh god damnit I knew that was going to double post. |

Igualmentedos
Shadow Veil Industrial Shadow Directive
43
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:22:00 -
[54] - Quote
CCP Spitfire wrote:Sorry to keep you waiting, but our plan is to show one model every week.
Wow guys, **** move.
BTW PLEASE show the Caldari ship first! |

Darth Skorpius
Legion of Darkwind Order of the Void
18
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:35:00 -
[55] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:If I have to redesign one of my ships again becuase it looks too similar to something put out I'll be mad. However I have seen the concept from CCP the amarrian Battlecruiser I am not sure if it survived but if you want an idea how it looks its a shurnk down amarrian carrier made into battleship instead of drone boat.
Then again the face book winner deserves the spot alot more.
what i want to know is how the hell do you not work fro them yet? your ships designs are simply amazing! Baa Means Baa! |

Imawuss
Black Ice Protectorate The Imperial Senate
2
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:44:00 -
[56] - Quote
I say Gallente Next, it will be the most pretty and most useless. So it will just be eye candy so by realising it next us Gallente pilots will get to gawk at it for 3 weeks, that way when it does come out we no longer have the need to waste our money on it because we have had our fill of candy :)
blasterboat with no tank or rail sniper with no dps.... you get to pick... or train Mimitar! i know what im doing :) |

Bienator II
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
229
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Posted - 2011.10.24 22:15:00 -
[57] - Quote
ok, lets say gallente next but only if amarr after that! You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |

Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
11
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Posted - 2011.10.25 08:56:00 -
[58] - Quote
praznimrak wrote:http://browse.deviantart.com/contests/2010/eveonline/#/d30pzem Caldari
OMG that has got to be the most beutiful ship I've ever seen.
/me drops dead of a massive heart attack
At least I die a happy man, now that I've seen this spectacular piece of aaaaarrrrrrgghhhhh... |

Wacktopia
Sicarius. Legion of The Damned.
19
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Posted - 2011.10.25 09:34:00 -
[59] - Quote
I swear to god if the Gallente one is active tanked I'll eat my hat. |

pussnheels
Vintage heavy industries
140
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Posted - 2011.10.25 11:16:00 -
[60] - Quote
Amarr it has to be amarr and another morning wasted checking for a new devblog I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
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